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Haven't seen this article posted. Some observations on the O line and Lazor's gameplan from Mando. Make of them what you will...


"I have to hand it to Bill Lazor. And I have to hand it to Rex Ryan.

Lazor, the Miami Dolphins offensive coordinator, has been asked to keep the offense rolling even after the team suffered what was a potentially disastrous injury to left tackle Branden Albert.


That injury didn't mean that Ryan Tannehill's blind side was now exposed because rookie right tackle Ja'Wuan James moved over to the prime spot and has done excellent work in pass protection. Indeed, James has been a revelation as a pass protecting left tackle.


The problem came in that the Dolphins had to then fill the void at right tackle and Dallas Thomas was asked to take over. And Dallas Thomas, bless his heart, is not a good pass protecting right tackle by any definition..."

Read more here: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolp...e-yet-another-counter-move.html#storylink=cpy
 
Get Dallas Thomas the **** out of RT. Put Jason Fox in...
 
Rex is a great defensive coach but gets a little too much credit in this article as it's almost written like he developed the idea to attack Lazor's offense. Also, it seems like it's the first time Mando has ever seen such a thing. Which considering he's a Dolphin beat writer is extremely odd.

Why is that odd?

The original concepts of the Zone Blitz were created by none other than the defensive guru under Don Shula and the coordinator of the No-Name Defense, Bill Arnsparger. At the time the Dolphins ran a 4-3 and used LB Bob Matheson at the DE position. Arnsparger used Matheson's athleticism to either rush the passer or drop back in coverage. After Matheson, DL Kim Bokamper was converted to take over the same duties. The birth of the 3-4 defense, hybrid defensive players and the Zone Blitz.

The modern Zone Blitz as we know it today was developed almost 20 years ago by Dick LeBeau. It was developed by LeBeau when he was a defensive asst with Cincinnati in the 80's as a response to the precision passing offense created by Bill Walsh (the West Coast). To be exact, it was SB XXIII with the 49ers victory over the Bengals (20-16) that spurred LeBeau to experiment with this scheme. It's a controlled chaos concept run out of the 3-4 that shows aggression and causes disruption by disguising who will rush the passer and who will drop back to defend the pass, but is generally conservative with the simple rule of "safe pressure". Rush 5, drop 6. And Mando, for future reference, technically speaking it's not a Zone "Blitz" when only bringing four pass rushers; no matter what part of the field or position the rush might be coming from.

Anyways, the other crucial half of the Zone Blitz that is being completely ignored here is the coverage. Originally (before '85 or so), when a defense rushed four they played zone and when they blitzed they played man-to-man. The modern Zone Blitz allows for different zone drops in which those zones can be covered by a multitude of different defenders depending on who is coming (blitzing) and who is going (coverage).

Essentially the Zone Blitz can defined as: the "Zone" is designed to confuse the QB along with the receivers in their reads & routes, while the "Blitz" is designed to confuse the offensive line's pass protection (and why it was so effective vs our re-shuffled lineup). A two-headed monster.

So how did offense's respond? The Run-n-Shoot and.... Spread concepts.

Philbin and Lazor have a counter. I have no doubt. Although we only scored 16 vs the Jets, we left another 10 out on he field (we do avg 25.9 pts/gm) and the Jets did an excellent job of playing keep away with the TOP. It will simply come down to execution as we will see much of the same this Sunday vs the Ravens as they have a very deep LB core to deploy but are weak in their secondary play.

Interestingly enough, as football has always been the ultimate chess match, the counter in which defenses sought to fix problems with simple zone drops, exploited by Run-n-Shoot & Spread Concepts, was the development of Pattern-Match. Pattern-Match is a coverage where defenders initially play zone until the receivers show their routes and then defenders take up their man-to-man responsibilities usually 5-7 yards beyond the LOS.

Now does anyone know who created Pattern-Match principles? That's right, Nick Saban and our division leading nemesis, Bill Belichick. And now the Zone Blitz had come full circle. What began as a way to blitz without playing man coverage and play zone had started incorporating man coverage all over again, this time in an entirely new way. It doesn't end there and brings us to some of the newer ways offenses have begun to counter to that: the HUNH and package plays. But that's another lesson that we need not worry about til next week. For the meantime, let's just go out and kick some Raven ass. Class dismissed.

Fins Up!
:bdh:

*P.S. I didn't even curse and only took a dig at one person (Sorry Mando). My wife would be so proud. :)
 
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OLINE. Been a problem for the Dolphins since Ryan was drafted. How do they expect him to excel and get better when he is under constant pressure!? Yet he does. How can people even think of looking for another young QB? Ireland was an idiot's idiot. Hickey has only had 1 yr and he has done an incredible Job across the board. Now that the Oline is a glaring need I cant wait to see what he does next off season. He doesn't have to worry about QB. O lineman and Linebacker's. That's the future this team needs to follow to make Tannehill elite.
 
I'm not sure I'm completely sold on the concept of this article - saying we went short passing game since Brandon Albert's injury... we haven't been dialing up the deep ball ALL SEASON.
 
Rex is a great defensive coach but gets a little too much credit in this article as it's almost written like he developed the idea to attack Lazor's offense. Also, it seems like it's the first time Mando has ever seen such a thing. Which considering he's a Dolphin beat writer is extremely odd.

Why is that odd?

The original concepts of the Zone Blitz were created by none other than the defensive guru under Don Shula and the coordinator of the No-Name Defense, Bill Arnsparger. At the time the Dolphins ran a 4-3 and used LB Bob Matheson at the DE position. Arnsparger used Matheson's athleticism to either rush the passer or drop back in coverage. After Matheson, DL Kim Bokamper was converted to take over the same duties. The birth of the 3-4 defense, hybrid defensive players and the Zone Blitz.

The modern Zone Blitz as we know it today was developed almost 20 years ago by Dick LeBeau. It was developed by LeBeau when he was a defensive asst with Cincinnati in the 80's as a response to the precision passing offense created by Bill Walsh (the West Coast). To be exact, it was SB XXIII with the 49ers victory over the Bengals (20-16) that spurred LeBeau to experiment with this scheme. It's a controlled chaos concept run out of the 3-4 that shows aggression and causes disruption by disguising who will rush the passer and who will drop back to defend the pass, but is generally conservative with the simple rule of "safe pressure". Rush 5, drop 6. And Mando, for future reference, technically speaking it's not a Zone "Blitz" when only bringing four pass rushers; no matter what part of the field or position the rush might be coming from.

Anyways, the other crucial half of the Zone Blitz that is being completely ignored here is the coverage. Originally (before '85 or so), when a defense rushed four they played zone and when they blitzed they played man-to-man. The modern Zone Blitz allows for different zone drops in which those zones can be covered by a multitude of different defenders depending on who is coming (blitzing) and who is going (coverage).

Essentially the Zone Blitz can defined as: the "Zone" is designed to confuse the QB along with the receivers in their reads & routes, while the "Blitz" is designed to confuse the offensive line's pass protection (and why it was so effective vs our re-shuffled lineup). A two-headed monster.

So how did offense's respond? The Run-n-Shoot and.... Spread concepts.

Philbin and Lazor have a counter. I have no doubt. Although we only scored 16 vs the Jets, we left another 10 out on he field (we do avg 25.9 pts/gm) and the Jets did an excellent job of playing keep away with the TOP. It will simply come down to execution as we will see much of the same this Sunday vs the Ravens as they have a very deep LB core to deploy but are weak in their secondary play.

Interestingly enough, as football has always been the ultimate chess match, the counter in which defenses sought to fix problems with simple zone drops, exploited by Run-n-Shoot & Spread Concepts, was the development of Pattern-Match. Pattern-Match is a coverage where defenders initially play zone until the receivers show their routes and then defenders take up their man-to-man responsibilities usually 5-7 yards beyond the LOS.

Now does anyone know who created Pattern-Match principles? That's right, Nick Saban and our division leading nemesis, Bill Belichick. And now the Zone Blitz had come full circle. What began as a way to blitz without playing man coverage and play zone had started incorporating man coverage all over again, this time in an entirely new way. It doesn't end there and brings us to some of the newer ways offenses have begun to counter to that: the HUNH and package plays. But that's another lesson that we need not worry about til next week. For the meantime, let's just go out and kick some Raven ass. Class dismissed.

Fins Up!
:bdh:

*P.S. I didn't even curse and only took a dig at one person (Sorry Mando). My wife would be so proud. :)

Excellent post sir. Cheers
 
Too bad Mandy did not watch how Denver address it's OL issues. Mark Schlereth noted the extra linemen and TE allowed the Donkeys to double the inside DT's or playside DT and DE's. It was 7 on 5 with a 2 wr and a 1 rb. The eye in the skye does not lie.
 
OLINE. Been a problem for the Dolphins since Ryan was drafted. How do they expect him to excel and get better when he is under constant pressure!? Yet he does. How can people even think of looking for another young QB? Ireland was an idiot's idiot. Hickey has only had 1 yr and he has done an incredible Job across the board. Now that the Oline is a glaring need I cant wait to see what he does next off season. He doesn't have to worry about QB. O lineman and Linebacker's. That's the future this team needs to follow to make Tannehill elite.

I agree and if you throw in a seam TE and maybe a power RB will can all have a Merry Christmas!
 
Rex is a great defensive coach but gets a little too much credit in this article as it's almost written like he developed the idea to attack Lazor's offense. Also, it seems like it's the first time Mando has ever seen such a thing. Which considering he's a Dolphin beat writer is extremely odd.

Why is that odd?

The original concepts of the Zone Blitz were created by none other than the defensive guru under Don Shula and the coordinator of the No-Name Defense, Bill Arnsparger. At the time the Dolphins ran a 4-3 and used LB Bob Matheson at the DE position. Arnsparger used Matheson's athleticism to either rush the passer or drop back in coverage. After Matheson, DL Kim Bokamper was converted to take over the same duties. The birth of the 3-4 defense, hybrid defensive players and the Zone Blitz.

The modern Zone Blitz as we know it today was developed almost 20 years ago by Dick LeBeau. It was developed by LeBeau when he was a defensive asst with Cincinnati in the 80's as a response to the precision passing offense created by Bill Walsh (the West Coast). To be exact, it was SB XXIII with the 49ers victory over the Bengals (20-16) that spurred LeBeau to experiment with this scheme. It's a controlled chaos concept run out of the 3-4 that shows aggression and causes disruption by disguising who will rush the passer and who will drop back to defend the pass, but is generally conservative with the simple rule of "safe pressure". Rush 5, drop 6. And Mando, for future reference, technically speaking it's not a Zone "Blitz" when only bringing four pass rushers; no matter what part of the field or position the rush might be coming from.

Anyways, the other crucial half of the Zone Blitz that is being completely ignored here is the coverage. Originally (before '85 or so), when a defense rushed four they played zone and when they blitzed they played man-to-man. The modern Zone Blitz allows for different zone drops in which those zones can be covered by a multitude of different defenders depending on who is coming (blitzing) and who is going (coverage).

Essentially the Zone Blitz can defined as: the "Zone" is designed to confuse the QB along with the receivers in their reads & routes, while the "Blitz" is designed to confuse the offensive line's pass protection (and why it was so effective vs our re-shuffled lineup). A two-headed monster.

So how did offense's respond? The Run-n-Shoot and.... Spread concepts.

Philbin and Lazor have a counter. I have no doubt. Although we only scored 16 vs the Jets, we left another 10 out on he field (we do avg 25.9 pts/gm) and the Jets did an excellent job of playing keep away with the TOP. It will simply come down to execution as we will see much of the same this Sunday vs the Ravens as they have a very deep LB core to deploy but are weak in their secondary play.

Interestingly enough, as football has always been the ultimate chess match, the counter in which defenses sought to fix problems with simple zone drops, exploited by Run-n-Shoot & Spread Concepts, was the development of Pattern-Match. Pattern-Match is a coverage where defenders initially play zone until the receivers show their routes and then defenders take up their man-to-man responsibilities usually 5-7 yards beyond the LOS.

Now does anyone know who created Pattern-Match principles? That's right, Nick Saban and our division leading nemesis, Bill Belichick. And now the Zone Blitz had come full circle. What began as a way to blitz without playing man coverage and play zone had started incorporating man coverage all over again, this time in an entirely new way. It doesn't end there and brings us to some of the newer ways offenses have begun to counter to that: the HUNH and package plays. But that's another lesson that we need not worry about til next week. For the meantime, let's just go out and kick some Raven ass. Class dismissed.

Fins Up!
:bdh:

*P.S. I didn't even curse and only took a dig at one person (Sorry Mando). My wife would be so proud. :)

Excellent and very informative post SOS. Thank you.
 
Rex is a great defensive coach but gets a little too much credit in this article as it's almost written like he developed the idea to attack Lazor's offense. Also, it seems like it's the first time Mando has ever seen such a thing. Which considering he's a Dolphin beat writer is extremely odd.

Why is that odd?

The original concepts of the Zone Blitz were created by none other than the defensive guru under Don Shula and the coordinator of the No-Name Defense, Bill Arnsparger. At the time the Dolphins ran a 4-3 and used LB Bob Matheson at the DE position. Arnsparger used Matheson's athleticism to either rush the passer or drop back in coverage. After Matheson, DL Kim Bokamper was converted to take over the same duties. The birth of the 3-4 defense, hybrid defensive players and the Zone Blitz.

The modern Zone Blitz as we know it today was developed almost 20 years ago by Dick LeBeau. It was developed by LeBeau when he was a defensive asst with Cincinnati in the 80's as a response to the precision passing offense created by Bill Walsh (the West Coast). To be exact, it was SB XXIII with the 49ers victory over the Bengals (20-16) that spurred LeBeau to experiment with this scheme. It's a controlled chaos concept run out of the 3-4 that shows aggression and causes disruption by disguising who will rush the passer and who will drop back to defend the pass, but is generally conservative with the simple rule of "safe pressure". Rush 5, drop 6. And Mando, for future reference, technically speaking it's not a Zone "Blitz" when only bringing four pass rushers; no matter what part of the field or position the rush might be coming from.

Anyways, the other crucial half of the Zone Blitz that is being completely ignored here is the coverage. Originally (before '85 or so), when a defense rushed four they played zone and when they blitzed they played man-to-man. The modern Zone Blitz allows for different zone drops in which those zones can be covered by a multitude of different defenders depending on who is coming (blitzing) and who is going (coverage).

Essentially the Zone Blitz can defined as: the "Zone" is designed to confuse the QB along with the receivers in their reads & routes, while the "Blitz" is designed to confuse the offensive line's pass protection (and why it was so effective vs our re-shuffled lineup). A two-headed monster.

So how did offense's respond? The Run-n-Shoot and.... Spread concepts.

Philbin and Lazor have a counter. I have no doubt. Although we only scored 16 vs the Jets, we left another 10 out on he field (we do avg 25.9 pts/gm) and the Jets did an excellent job of playing keep away with the TOP. It will simply come down to execution as we will see much of the same this Sunday vs the Ravens as they have a very deep LB core to deploy but are weak in their secondary play.

Interestingly enough, as football has always been the ultimate chess match, the counter in which defenses sought to fix problems with simple zone drops, exploited by Run-n-Shoot & Spread Concepts, was the development of Pattern-Match. Pattern-Match is a coverage where defenders initially play zone until the receivers show their routes and then defenders take up their man-to-man responsibilities usually 5-7 yards beyond the LOS.

Now does anyone know who created Pattern-Match principles? That's right, Nick Saban and our division leading nemesis, Bill Belichick. And now the Zone Blitz had come full circle. What began as a way to blitz without playing man coverage and play zone had started incorporating man coverage all over again, this time in an entirely new way. It doesn't end there and brings us to some of the newer ways offenses have begun to counter to that: the HUNH and package plays. But that's another lesson that we need not worry about til next week. For the meantime, let's just go out and kick some Raven ass. Class dismissed.

Fins Up!
:bdh:

*P.S. I didn't even curse and only took a dig at one person (Sorry Mando). My wife would be so proud. :)
Well said. Sons of Shula 1, Mando 0. A complete shutout!
 
I talked about this last week. Eventually teams would start swarming the short pass and we would have to show that we could attack down the field. It was bound to happen. If it hadn't been Rex it just would have been someone else.

So it turned out the Jets did it. And though we won, we didn't really respond, per se. We eeked one out. In that sense we got lucky; that the team that did it was bad enough to be successful and still lose.

It will have to be better this week. It will have to be much better against NE.

One thing that should help is if Clay is health and playing. That will allow us to run more six man protections with Dion Sims. And if we can establish the run with Ngata out, then we should be able to establish some deep shots off play action against a poor secondary.
 
Don't be surprised if defensive coaches, particularly the good ones who saw what Ryan did, simply defend the short passes, attack the pocket violently, and dare the Dolphins to throw deep -- something they obviously believe the Dolphins cannot do.

Read more here: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolp...e-yet-another-counter-move.html#storylink=cpy

It took other teams all this time to figure that out? Not so sure how point on that is.
 
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