Manning may yet remain with the Colts?

[silver McNibblets]

Not knocking you silver, or directed towards you, directed to the masses, but do you honestly all think the Colts will keep Manning with Luck in the wings?

Well obviously they'd like to, whether they can or not is down to the money they'd have to pay both of them imo.

Somebody mentioned something about the new CBA preventing them re-structuring his deal, although Irsay's comments seem to suggest they can?

If Peyton agrees to play for less then I don't see why not, at this stage of his career he has enough money, he wants another ring.

 

[ChrisHanson]

Well obviously they'd like to, whether they can or not is down to the money they'd have to pay both of them imo.

Somebody mentioned something about the new CBA preventing them re-structuring his deal, although Irsay's comments seem to suggest they can?

If Peyton agrees to play for less then I don't see why not, at this stage of his career he has enough money, he wants another ring.

Luck won't sit behind Manning. He'll pull an Elway/Eli before he does that.

 

[Gonzo]

What if the Colts prefer RGIII over Luck? Probable? No. Possible? Yes. They could keep Manning because RGIII would most likely not mind sitting behind Peyton. Peyton, however, would most likely have to agree to allow RGIII to step in at times during the game. Talk about a nightmare offense! Peyton playing like Peyton and then have to switch your mindset to play against RGIII's style in the same game? In theory the Colts could have Peyton, RGIII and a butt load of draft picks.

There are just too many scenarios to make a claim like, "The Colts are getting Luck and Peyton is gone" and be 100% sure. Could that happen? Of course. IMO, it won't if Peyton is healthy.

I suppose it is "possible" in the loosest possible sense of the word. It's as possible as me ****ting a gold brick

 

[Andyman]

What makes you think he is playing games here?

I think 2/3s of the teams in the league would take Peyton on a restructured deal where say he only gets paid as he plays. It takes away the big risk factor surrounding him.

I'd have thought staying in Indy with the chance to play if healthy would be his preferred choice over any of the teams being mentioned.

You need to read between the lines. Irsay is making it 'Peyton's choice' when the reality is the Colts are the ones who owe him the bonus to keep him. He's politicking. Peyton is gone from Indy and Irsay doesn't want to look like the bad guy. 99.99% chance he's somewhere else next year.

 

[NY8123]

****.

Fiscally irresponsible would have been mo' betta diction.

Either option is fine and both work in this case.

 

[JCane]

What if the Colts prefer RGIII over Luck? Probable? No. Possible? Yes. They could keep Manning because RGIII would most likely not mind sitting behind Peyton. Peyton, however, would most likely have to agree to allow RGIII to step in at times during the game. Talk about a nightmare offense! Peyton playing like Peyton and then have to switch your mindset to play against RGIII's style in the same game? In theory the Colts could have Peyton, RGIII and a butt load of draft picks.

There are just too many scenarios to make a claim like, "The Colts are getting Luck and Peyton is gone" and be 100% sure. Could that happen? Of course. IMO, it won't if Peyton is healthy.

Again, you can't afford to tie that much money up into two guys at one position. It will not happen. Even if the Colts "prefer" RGIII over Luck, they still have to pay RGIII first pick money. They ONLY way Peyton stays with the Colts is if the trade that pick for a ransom. Not many teams out there can afford it. So their buying market is already thin but it would without a doubt happen IF the Colts were to actually trade the pick.

Predicting outcomes of games might be difficult, but predicting smart business decisions in the NFL really isn't.

 

[ChrisHanson]

I suppose it is "possible" in the loosest possible sense of the word. It's as possible as me ****ting a gold brick

Now now, Oscar...I mean Gonzo. ****ting a gold brick is impossible, unless of course you're shoving gold bricks up your *** and pretending to push one out. However, there are plenty of people, professional scouts etc., who have said they prefer RGIII over Luck. It's not that crazy to think that the Colts would keep Manning, trade down, and get RGIII.

 

[ChrisHanson]

Again, you can't afford to tie that much money up into two guys at one position. It will not happen. Even if the Colts "prefer" RGIII over Luck, they still have to pay RGIII first pick money. They ONLY way Peyton stays with the Colts is if the trade that pick for a ransom. Not many teams out there can afford it. So their buying market is already thin but it would without a doubt happen IF the Colts were to actually trade the pick.

Predicting outcomes of games might be difficult, but predicting smart business decisions in the NFL really isn't.

They could afford both RGIII and Peyton if Peyton restructured his contract. Which, again, is not that far fetched.

It's not like we're talking about a guy who has lost his skill or drive. He's injured, sure, but if he can heal there is no reason to think that he can't play like he did just 2 seasons ago. He's 35....not 45. Hell, he and Brady are less than a year apart in age and no one is saying that Brady can't play another 5 years.

 

[hoops]

mannings either gonna retire a colt this offseason or he's gone...he's not stayin...the owners words have burned that bridge already...the colts are in all out rebuild mode manning isn't gonna stick around for it

words already out that wayne and mathis are being let go among other veterans...he's gone

he'll be a redskin...and wayne will also...dan snyders gonna back up a brinks truck to make sure it happens

 

[JCane]

They could afford both RGIII and Peyton if Peyton restructured his contract. Which, again, is not that far fetched.

It's not like we're talking about a guy who has lost his skill or drive. He's injured, sure, but if he can heal there is no reason to think that he can't play like he did just 2 seasons ago. He's 35....not 45. Hell, he and Brady are less than a year apart in age and no one is saying that Brady can't play another 5 years.

Not the same thing even in the slightest.

Brady hasn't had three major neck surgeries in the past year either. If healthy is one thing, but even if healthy its a tremendous risk to put him under center not knowing how that neck will hold up.

And it's not like Peyton has to restructure to the tune of a few million. This would have to be a major overhaul of that contract. Then, you have to give Luck OR Griffin first pick money PERIOD. It absolute is so far fetched lol.

Irsay knows exactly what he's doing by putting this out there. He knows that a restructuring will not happen. This is all for the purpose of damage control.

 

[Gonzo]

Now now, Oscar...I mean Gonzo. ****ting a gold brick is impossible, unless of course you're shoving gold bricks up your *** and pretending to push one out. However, there are plenty of people, professional scouts etc., who have said they prefer RGIII over Luck. It's not that crazy to think that the Colts would keep Manning, trade down, and get RGIII.

Whoa there Celtkin, there have been people that have said they can **** gold bricks, it doesn't mean they know what they're talking about.

 

[ChrisHanson]

mannings either gonna retire a colt this offseason or he's gone...he's not stayin...the owners words have burned that bridge already...the colts are in all out rebuild mode manning isn't gonna stick around for it

words already out that wayne and mathis are being let go among other veterans...he's gone

he'll be a redskin...and wayne will also...dan snyders gonna back up a brinks truck to make sure it happens

Of course this is a possibility. However, declaring that there is only one (or even two) outcome for this mess is shortsighted. Again, look at the most logical scenarios and go with that.

 

[ChrisHanson]

Not the same thing even in the slightest.

Brady hasn't had three major neck surgeries in the past year either. If healthy is one thing, but even if healthy its a tremendous risk to put him under center not knowing how that neck will hold up.

And it's not like Peyton has to restructure to the tune of a few million. This would have to be a major overhaul of that contract. Then, you have to give Luck OR Griffin first pick money PERIOD. It absolute is so far fetched lol.

Irsay knows exactly what he's doing by putting this out there. He knows that a restructuring will not happen. This is all for the purpose of damage control.

I knew that you'd bring up the fact that Brady hasn't had neck injuries and that's why I both bolded and underlined "if he can heal". RGIII wouldn't get 1st pick money if he's not picked 1st. The Colts could trade down and still get him if they played their cards right.

 

[ChrisHanson]

Whoa there Celtkin, there have been people that have said they can **** gold bricks, it doesn't mean they know what they're talking about.

Celtkin? Are you trying to be funny? Because calling someone a child molestor isn't ****ing funny.

 

[JCane]

Guess you missed where I also said, "if healthy." maybe I should have bolded mine as well.

Even if they trade down and get Griffin for less, you still have to pay a significant amount of money to two guys playing the same position. One has to ride the pine. It doesn't make a lot of sense financially to handcuff the franchise like that. It's bad business.

And I woul love to see all of the people who prefer Griffin over Luck. Don't recall hearing about Irsay or Polian showing up to watch RGIII at Baylor the way they did Andrew Luck at Standord.

And if Peyton restructures, like I said, it's going to have to be a huge overhaul. Then, the NFLPA has to sign off on it. If too much restructuring takes place, the NFLPA will squash it.