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Apparently, the Red Sox are livid that the trade demand was leaked. It seems like this is an annual occurrence, but it's different this time. The Red Sox could be so frustrated that they might want to get some of Manny's salary off the books.

Who's he going to go to? The Mets will always be a player, but trading Beltran would be admitting a huge mistake, and why would the Sox take on that much salary?

The Yankees? Yeah, right.

A dark horse could be the Marlins. They've always been named as being interested in Manny and would need the Red Sox to eat at least half the salary, but the Sox could need a 3B and CF, and the Marlins would love to trade Mike Lowell and would trade Juan Pierre if it meant landing Manny Ramirez, who lives in Weston.

Who knows? But it could be interesting.
 
Angels fan here. Our two biggest needs are left-handed relief pitcher and someone with power to protect Vlad.Mr.Ramirez would do just fine by me.:D
 
RWhitney014 said:
Apparently, the Red Sox are livid that the trade demand was leaked. It seems like this is an annual occurrence, but it's different this time.

More like every 3 to 6 months. :lol:

I'll believe it when I see it. Obviously as a Red Sox fan I don't want Manny going anywhere for 3 reasons:

1.) Trading Manny means you lose the 2 best hitters in your line up. Both Manny and Ortiz. Ortiz will be treated like Barry Bonds and what player on the Red Sox current line up would bat behind him to scare the pitcher enough into actually pitching to him? Trot Nixon? :lol:

2.) Manny is a Hall of Fame hitter. In my opinion there are only a very select group of players that Manny is worthy enough to be traded straight up for (Arod, Pujols, Vlad). The Sox won't get those guys and the rumored trades like Manny to the Mets for Heilman, Cameron, Milledge and Petit isn't the answer.

3.) The fans will be very very very mad. I bet that if Manny is traded at all he'll be traded after December for the simple reason that that's after tickets go on sale. The Sox realize that by trading Manny some die hard fans in Boston won't buy tickets to see the team (see the years after both Clemens and Mo left, Mo wasn't as bad because they brought in Pedro right away). The new FO is all about getting revenue, I mean come on they're selling sod from Fenway Park on the internet! I'm surprised they aren't selling dirt or used sunflower seeds from the players.

Obviously Manny has the ultimate say in the decision as he has the no trade claus for being a 10/5 guy. Hell today Manny might want to stay and by the end of the week Manny might want to left. He's a great ball player but he's got a child-like brain. He says if he's no traded he won't show up for ST, well if I were the GM of the Red Sox I'd call that bluff. The team needs Manny. Hopefully #24 will be in LF in April wearing the grey road RS uniform in Texas. But who really knows, it can't be a normal winter in "Red Sox Nation" land. :lol:
 
RWhitney014 said:
A dark horse could be the Marlins. They've always been named as being interested in Manny and would need the Red Sox to eat at least half the salary, but the Sox could need a 3B and CF, and the Marlins would love to trade Mike Lowell and would trade Juan Pierre if it meant landing Manny Ramirez, who lives in Weston.

There's no way the Sox trade Manny for Pierre and Lowell. Pierre would be interesting however numerous members of the Red Sox F.O. have said in public (i.e. WEEI) around the A.J. Burnett trade rumors that they don't want Lowell because they feel that baseball's new drug policy (aka steroid testing) has hurt Lowell. He's a very good defensive 3rd baseman however the Red Sox have Kevin Youkilis waiting in the wings if they decide not to resign Bill Mueller.

I could see the Marlins offering Delgado, Pierre and possibly a prospect for Manny and Bronson Arroyo.
 
I think the Red Sox should just keep Manny. If he doesnt want to report then he wont get paid. Theres just no way that they can get a player of his caliber back in return. Theres only 3 or 4 hitters in the entire league that are in his class. Manny and his agent can run their mouths all day and night, Manny is leaving like 20mill on the table if he decides to not play this year.
 
PHINATIC13 said:
Angels fan here. Our two biggest needs are left-handed relief pitcher and someone with power to protect Vlad.Mr.Ramirez would do just fine by me.:D

I would like to add....that would make me want to throw up.:tongue:
 
PHINATIC13 said:
Angels fan here. Our two biggest needs are left-handed relief pitcher and someone with power to protect Vlad.Mr.Ramirez would do just fine by me.:D

Manny at DH wow
 
The Marlins won't trade for Manny. They won't pay him what he would demand. Wherever he goes he is going to want a contract extension, the Marlins won't give him that.

Cleveland or LAA are the top 2 choices clearly. The Mets would take him but they aren't parting with Beltran. Maybe a package of players which would include Mike Cameron.

The Red Sox can't keep him at this point because the "drama" that would cause and the circus atmosphere just isn't worth it. Manny hates the city of Boston and the fans and the way they treat him off the field. Never giving him peace when he is away from the ballpark. The Sox have to trade him, there are only about 5 teams that will pay his contract. Should be interesting. I see him gone by mid-January.
 
MikeO said:
The Marlins won't trade for Manny. They won't pay him what he would demand. Wherever he goes he is going to want a contract extension, the Marlins won't give him that.

The Red Sox can't keep him at this point because the "drama" that would cause and the circus atmosphere just isn't worth it. Manny hates the city of Boston and the fans and the way they treat him off the field. Never giving him peace when he is away from the ballpark. The Sox have to trade him, there are only about 5 teams that will pay his contract. Should be interesting. I see him gone by mid-January.

No chance the Marlins even make a play. I think they are dumping salary this year and looking for a place to move to once their lease expires.

Manny is staying right where he is, if the sox have any sense. They love the drama...it keeps fans interested and talking about their team. Really, who gives a **** what Manny thinks?
 
MikeO said:
The Marlins won't trade for Manny. They won't pay him what he would demand. Wherever he goes he is going to want a contract extension, the Marlins won't give him that.

Cleveland or LAA are the top 2 choices clearly. The Mets would take him but they aren't parting with Beltran. Maybe a package of players which would include Mike Cameron.

The Red Sox can't keep him at this point because the "drama" that would cause and the circus atmosphere just isn't worth it. Manny hates the city of Boston and the fans and the way they treat him off the field. Never giving him peace when he is away from the ballpark. The Sox have to trade him, there are only about 5 teams that will pay his contract. Should be interesting. I see him gone by mid-January.

Manny's demands? A contract extension? Where did you hear that one from? Manny doesn't want a contract extension, he's said numerous times that once his current contract is done, he's done with baseball. He wants to go back to the Dominican and live on a farm.

Cleveland won't take Manny either. I know it's one of Manny's choices and they probably have young prospects/players that the Sox could want however I don't see them taking on his contract, ego, attitude, etc with all their young talent. Plus getting him would cost Cleveland (imo) at least Hafner, Sizemore or Crisp and possibly Cliff Lee. I doubt Cleveland would make that swap.

The Angels are probably the best fit. The Sox have said already that they won't touch Finley, but Estrad might be interesting as he's a gold glove 1st baseman and CFer. Also the Angels have some prospects too the Sox might be interested in (Ervin Santana and Brandan Wood). Also LAA are trying to get more of a fan base and attention and bringing in a guy like Manny would do that. Especially since LAA are trying to out do the LAD.

As a Red Sox fan I don't want to touch Cameron, even before his injury. He's a huge ? with his injury and there's been no reports on how he's doing or if he even started work outs. Plus fans and the media ran Bellhorn out of town due to his K rate. They would KILL Cameron.

In my opinion the sleepers in the Manny trade rumor could be Arizona and Texas. Both have money and players that the Red Sox could want. Plus Josh Byrnes is the new GM of the DBacks and I'm sure he's looking to make a splash in the market and get his name out there.

I disagree the Red Sox can keep Manny because this happens every 3 to 6 months. It's more about the media than the fans because Manny barely goes out. He's a quiet guy who likes to show up and play not go bar hopping. Wells is the one who wants out of Boston due to the fans always bugging him when he goes out. Manny doesn't like how the media jumps all over him if he doesn't run out a routine ground ball yet he doesn't get any credit for carrying the team for the last 3 weeks of the season or being 1 of 3 players who showed up to play in the playoffs (Ortiz and Papelbon were the others). Yet when someone like Nixon (who's home grown and always quote worthy and buddy/buddy with the media) can't hit a ball to the warning track the last 2 months of the season continues to suck no one says anything about it. Trust me the players LOVE Manny, he's not a distraction as the media likes to make it. Also Manny is one of the first players at the ball park each day working on both hitting and fielding. But of course that never gets mentioned in the press because it's not good gossip.
 
MikeO said:
The Marlins won't trade for Manny. They won't pay him what he would demand. Wherever he goes he is going to want a contract extension, the Marlins won't give him that.

Cleveland or LAA are the top 2 choices clearly. The Mets would take him but they aren't parting with Beltran. Maybe a package of players which would include Mike Cameron.

The Red Sox can't keep him at this point because the "drama" that would cause and the circus atmosphere just isn't worth it. Manny hates the city of Boston and the fans and the way they treat him off the field. Never giving him peace when he is away from the ballpark. The Sox have to trade him, there are only about 5 teams that will pay his contract. Should be interesting. I see him gone by mid-January.

That post right there proves you have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to this situation.

A contract extension? Where the hell have you been? He's done with baseball in 3 more years and he's said it numerous times...

Now he hates the city and the fans? Do you know him personally? Granted he hates the media but who doesn't hate the Boston media?

He may very well get traded, but it will be for none of the reasons you just mentioned.
 
FaninPatsyLand said:
That post right there proves you have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to this situation.

A contract extension? Where the hell have you been? He's done with baseball in 3 more years and he's said it numerous times...

Now he hates the city and the fans? Do you know him personally? Granted he hates the media but who doesn't hate the Boston media?

He may very well get traded, but it will be for none of the reasons you just mentioned.

:shakeno:
 
Well, Im sure you all know that Manny has club options in year 4 and 5 of his current deal at $20 mill a year. You think he is walking away from that if a team picks that up?? LOL, ok whatever!

And his NEW agent has already told the Mets (unofficially of course) they would like a 1-year extension to his current deal.

But I'm sure you all knew that already too....:rolleyes: :shakeno:
 
MikeO said:
Well, Im sure you all know that Manny has club options in year 4 and 5 of his current deal at $20 mill a year. You think he is walking away from that if a team picks that up?? LOL, ok whatever!

And his NEW agent has already told the Mets (unofficially of course) they would like a 1-year extension to his current deal.

But I'm sure you all knew that already too....:rolleyes: :shakeno:

And I'm sure you know that if his new agent told the Mets that it would be meddling on the Mets' part and they would be punished in a big way by the league and wouldn't be allowed to acquire him, right?

And even if that wasn't punishable, care to back that statement up with a link? If it's unofficial and there's no report, how are we supposed to assume that's true?

Here's a published report from USA Today mentioning his intent to retire after this current contract. And re: the Marlins, if they can convince Boston to take Lowell and Pierre and to eat half of Ramirez' contract (which is possible if the Sox really want to get rid of the headache), then they'd only be spending $6.67 million more for Manny than they would be without him. That's worth it for a hitter like that. Or they could offer up Lowell and Carlos Delgado, if they really wanted Manny, and that would require Boston to eat less of the contract. There are ways for Florida to do it, and Larry Beinfest is a very creative GM (he saved $23 million by sending Charles Johnson and Preston Wilson to Colorado for Mike Hampton and Pierre and convinced the Braves into taking most of Hampton's contract). And if you're in Florida's shoes, you're looking at the small possibility (emphasis on small and possibility, not probability) of having future stud Jeremy Hermida-Cabrera-Delgado-Ramirez...lefty-righty-lefty-righty, all with at least 30 HR potential, in your order. Plus you don't have to worry about a contract extension. And you're talking about a guy who lives 15 minutes from Dolphins Stadium (I have a friend who lives down the street from him) whom is Miguel Cabrera's idol that will attract many more fans. If you can do that without giving up your whole farm system, you jump headlong into it. There's my rant. I'm done.

http://fantasybaseball.usatoday.com/index.php?sport=bsball&type=transandnotes&name=353
"April 9Manny Ramirez said last night that he plans to retire at age 36 after playing three more seasons, according to the Boston Globe."
 
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