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Johnny Manziel's Vegas trip was more absurd than you thought
http://nypost.com/2016/01/05/is-johnny-manziel-this-desperate-to-party-in-vegas/
Johnny Manziel might not have spent Saturday night in Las Vegas, but “Billy Football” did?
As more details begin to spew out about the second-year pro’s reported sneak-away evening in Sin City, perhaps the most outrageous story of all comes from Mitch Moss of ESPN Las Vegas. Per sources close to the radio personality, Manziel — going by the name Billy — rocked a blond wig, fake mustache, glasses and hoodie in an attempt to go incognito at a popular casino and club. Manziel stayed out till 3 a.m. and asked to be comped to avoid using a credit card that would identify him.
Manziel also was spied dining with pals at the club’s restaurant beforehand — also in his rather cheesy disguise.
Now, it’s only a matter of time before Cleveland Browns brass decides Manziel’s fate, after the latest (and perhaps most brazen) incident in his ongoing, off-field soap opera.
“It will be up to the coaches, and Executive Vice President of Football Operations Sashi [Brown] and the GM as to who’s on the team,” owner Jimmy Haslam said Sunday. “They will make those calls.”
Manziel went MIA for the better part of Sunday after failing to show up at the Browns’ facility to meet with team doctors at 9 a.m. for a required check-in as part of the league’s concussion protocol. Hours before, the social-savvy signal-caller took to Instagram to rebut reports he had flown to Vegas by posting a selfie alongside his pooch containing an Ohio geo-tag.
http://nypost.com/2016/01/05/is-johnny-manziel-this-desperate-to-party-in-vegas/
Johnny Manziel might not have spent Saturday night in Las Vegas, but “Billy Football” did?
As more details begin to spew out about the second-year pro’s reported sneak-away evening in Sin City, perhaps the most outrageous story of all comes from Mitch Moss of ESPN Las Vegas. Per sources close to the radio personality, Manziel — going by the name Billy — rocked a blond wig, fake mustache, glasses and hoodie in an attempt to go incognito at a popular casino and club. Manziel stayed out till 3 a.m. and asked to be comped to avoid using a credit card that would identify him.
Manziel also was spied dining with pals at the club’s restaurant beforehand — also in his rather cheesy disguise.
Now, it’s only a matter of time before Cleveland Browns brass decides Manziel’s fate, after the latest (and perhaps most brazen) incident in his ongoing, off-field soap opera.
“It will be up to the coaches, and Executive Vice President of Football Operations Sashi [Brown] and the GM as to who’s on the team,” owner Jimmy Haslam said Sunday. “They will make those calls.”
Manziel went MIA for the better part of Sunday after failing to show up at the Browns’ facility to meet with team doctors at 9 a.m. for a required check-in as part of the league’s concussion protocol. Hours before, the social-savvy signal-caller took to Instagram to rebut reports he had flown to Vegas by posting a selfie alongside his pooch containing an Ohio geo-tag.
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The definitive douche bag. The Justin Bieber of the NFL. Johnny Asshole
Wonder what happened to Honey Bee ? She was a good poster.
Wonder what happened to Honey Bee ? She was a good poster.
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So. This guy...
Not my finest hour. But I stand by the basic point. If a guy's career is ruined by a lack of talent or by addiction does it really matter? You'll never find a guy who was more of a boy scout than John Beck. I mean literally, Beck was not just a boy scout but an Eagle Scout. Didn't matter.
At least Manziel flamed out early. Coaches tend to be "try hard" guys and have a natural sympathy for that type. But that can end up wasting more time than guys like Manziel. See: Dallas Thomas.
Gotta wonder how much going to a different organization would have helped Johnny (if people here think Ross and his vision is a joke, check out Haslem and the Browns). But I think your original point Wally was right. I also think part of the issue is while other guys in the past could get away without the Tom Brady work ethic, a lot of those guys had physical gifts that could make up for it. Johnny never really had an elite tool physically he could rely on until he put it all together up top.
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Not my finest hour. But I stand by the basic point. If a guy's career is ruined by a lack of talent or by addiction does it really matter? You'll never find a guy who was more of a boy scout than John Beck. I mean literally, Beck was not just a boy scout but an Eagle Scout. Didn't matter.
At least Manziel flamed out early. Coaches tend to be "try hard" guys and have a natural sympathy for that type. But that can end up wasting more time than guys like Manziel. See: Dallas Thomas.
Hey, at least Dallas Thomas is reportedly making gains. It's not fair to compare someone like him who fails giving his all to someone that fails because he gave nothing.
Alcoholism is something you can't overcome as an organization or a coach. Look at what happened to Aldon Smith. He went from first-ballot HOF to bum on the street. The best you could hope to do is have a Ray Maualuga. He was a stud in college, but was awful in the NFL due to alcohol addiction. They helped him overcome that, and he's just been serviceable for them. Likewise, the best Manziel could hope for is to be a serviceable, but that's if he makes a miraculous recovery from addiction.
It's not going to happen.
Brett Favre was traded from Atlanta because Jerry Glanville couldn't get him to stop drinking. Cris Carter was traded away from Philadelphia by Buddy Ryan for the same reason. Kerry Collins battled alcoholism throughout his career. Booze eventually drove Justin Blackmon out of the league but he produced big numbers catching the ball from Chad Henne as long as he was in the league.
Dallas Thomas "reportedly making gains" makes my eyes roll. It's a waste of time. I'm not trying to compare Dallas Thomas to Johnny Manziel as men. Thomas can go out with his head held high. But purely from a production standpoint it doesn't particularly matter why you fail. Drugs, injuries, suspensions or a lack of talent. It's all the same when it comes down to it. At least the drugs/suspensions guys have a tendency to nope themselves out of there quickly. Of course, if those guys prove to have talent people are often willing to give them a second chance. Look at Dion Jordan.
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To be fair though, Johnny Manziel just plain sucked in the NFL, in addition to being a drug addled moron.
Until Johnny is ready to help himself there is no help for him.
I've learned that statement is 100% correct through the years. Sometimes they hit rock bottom, sometimes jail or in the event they never come to the realization they need help sometimes death.
They only thing you can do if you're in this kids life is offer help anytime you can and beyond that it is up to Johnny to figure it out.
I've learned that statement is 100% correct through the years. Sometimes they hit rock bottom, sometimes jail or in the event they never come to the realization they need help sometimes death.
They only thing you can do if you're in this kids life is offer help anytime you can and beyond that it is up to Johnny to figure it out.