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I was just thinking how everyone these days is saying how manning is a better quarterback than dan was and blah blah blah!! I thought about the fact that manning has yet to get the colts to a superbowl and has looked bad in the games that he lost in the playoffs!!! Dan at least got us there and until peyton at least gets there he "aint" DAN!!!!!!:dolphins:
 
I think getting to Super Bowls and winning playoff games has a lot more to do with the teams QBs have around them. I don't like to pin most of the wins and losses on QBs. I just don't think it is fair.

But if you want me to argue for Dan, which I am more than happy to do, I would point out the differences in the teams. Manning has had a very good running back for most of his career. James was a top 5 back who consistently rushed for easily over 1000 yards. Marino rarely had a good running game, more or less a top running game.

I can also sit here and talk about receivers and how the rules have changed to further benefit offenses. And I would probably say that Manning has had slightly better receivers and even though they changed the rules during Marino's time to help the passing game, they have changed it even more during Manning's time. But the bottom line is that Manning has played great and put up great numbers in his career so far. And that is the key. So far. To really compare the two, you have to wait until Manning is done playing. Because he obviously doesn't stack up to Marino's career numbers. And there is no garauntee that he will even if he plays for as long as Marino did.
 
I think comparing Peyton to Dan is pretty fair right now. Peyton is having a fantastic career. I love me some Danny boy but you can't discount the things that Peyton is able to do.

And most QB's look bad in their playoff losses...and don't forget, when we got Danny, our team was already pretty darn good...
 
Yeah, the argument for either is sound. I believe Danny throws a better ball. Both can pick apart defenses like my grandmother picks apart chicken wings. Manning seems to be more of a student of the game, as to where Danny had more of a field general poise.

This is a difficult one. I like Peyton, but I can't get over my homerism.

I asked my Magic 8-ball and it read: "Who do you think? DURRR!"
 
DePhinistr8 said:
And most QB's look bad in their playoff losses...and don't forget, when we got Danny, our team was already pretty darn good...
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I can't recall Dan ever having anyone as good as James, pre-knee injury.

I also can't recall Dan (and I am a huge fan of Clayton) having a wideout as good as Harrison either.

Wayne isn't too shabby although I'd take Clayton over him anyday :D.

All in all, yes Manning came into a bad situation as opposed to Dan having a decent team already around him but as time went on, Indy has aquired better talent while we had Dan .....and everyone else.
 
TheMageGandalf said:
I can't recall Dan ever having anyone as good as James, pre-knee injury.

I also can't recall Dan (and I am a huge fan of Clayton) having a wideout as good as Harrison either.

Wayne isn't too shabby although I'd take Clayton over him anyday :D.

All in all, yes Manning came into a bad situation as opposed to Dan having a decent team already around him but as time went on, Indy has aquired better talent while we had Dan .....and everyone else.
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Manning has been surrounded by talent for years and he hasnt made it to the Super Bowl yet........Marino did it in his second yr I think...and yes the team was good but not as good as the colts are and have been for yrs now.
 
Tossup IMHO, Dan has the longevity and more records plus went to a SB. If Peyton gets there and WINS, then I'd almost have to give the nod to him.
 
I think the primary difference between the two as far as their playoff records go is that usually when the Colts have lost they've had a ground game and a good runner, but offensively they sucked anyway.

I mean Peyton got blown out like 41-0 against the Jets. He scored like 3 points against the Pats one year. He didn't score much against the Steelers.

I mean to say these were generally offensive disappointments. A lot of Dan's playoff losses were defensive disappointments or if they were offensive it was obvious it was because they were so one dimensional.

I mean if Peyton goes to the playoffs and loses this year to let's say the Chargers in a game that goes 28-21, and the Colts don't get any rushing going on...then that would be an understandable playoff loss for Mr. Manning.

But that's very different from losing to the Pats with Edgerrin James there, and only scoring 3 points offensively despite having the best offense in the league.
 
Arm strength very similar. Release, Dan gets the nod. Accuracy has to go to Dan. I've yet to see anyone throw into triple coverage and regularly put the ball where only his receivers could catch the ball. Field and defense recognition has to go to Manning. Overall teams similar except Peyton has always had a 1000+ yard rusher though other than 1 year the Edge wasn't a game breaker. But Dan's D was probably more consistent over his career.

As far as receivers go. Harrison can be mentioned in the same breath as Rice, Holt and Ward. Neither Duper nor Clayton were even close to as good as Harrison. In fact, Reggie is probably as good if not better than both Duper and Clayton were. Those two were made far, far better by Marino than they actually were. Don't forget, there was only one season that they both had over 1000 yards and only 2 total that either one had 1000 or more yards receiving. I love the guys but they definitely can't be considered top 20 of all time and Harrison certainly can, Reggie has yet to be seen.

If Marino had either Harrison or Rice, he'd have thrown for 60+ tds in a season and over 6000 yards. In fact, if Favre or Elway had a Harrison or Rice they too would have shattered anything Peyton has done so far. No one had better pocket presence than Marino. I've never seen a qb move slower or less and avoid more sacks than Marino did. The guy could feel pressure better than anyone ever has in football.

My money is still on Dan. You take anyone that's approached his numbers besides Elway and Favre and put the receivers that those few qbs have had on Dan's team and you're looking at numbers half again higher than the numbers Dan compiled.

Top QB rankings in my book. Elway, Marino, Unitas and Favre in that order. Could Manning go top 3 and userp Unitas or Favre, definitely. Will he ever replace Marino or Elway, not in my book no matter what records he breaks.
 
depac33 said:
Manning has been surrounded by talent for years and he hasnt made it to the Super Bowl yet........Marino did it in his second yr I think...and yes the team was good but not as good as the colts are and have been for yrs now.
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Ekinger said:
If Marino had either Harrison or Rice, he'd have thrown for 60+ tds in a season and over 6000 yards. In fact, if Favre or Elway had a Harrison or Rice they too would have shattered anything Peyton has done so far.
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thats easy to say, don't discount clayton and duper. peyton manning reminds me a lot of marino honestly. i do think that if some of the rules were in place back in 1984 as they are now, marino would have had 55 TD's that season. He would have buried every record if he could have stayed healthy
 
Ekinger said:
Top QB rankings in my book. Elway, Marino, Unitas and Favre in that order. Could Manning go top 3 and userp Unitas or Favre, definitely. Will he ever replace Marino or Elway, not in my book no matter what records he breaks.
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Why do you put Elway in front of Marino? Every single number Marino has put up is better than Elway. In fact, Elway had mediocre stats until Davis showed up. He had 11 years with more TDs than INTs. Dan had 16. Marino had 13 years with over 20TDs. Elway had 6. Dan was greater for longer.
 
simple as this no ther qb ever can do what marino did with such the limited talent he played with a running game whichc ranked probably like 20th or worse in every year he played a defense that didnt become relly good until he was way past his prime in his 14th season and an o-line that was way overated because of such a quick release marino had not to mention after marks brothers left the next 9 years were mediocore wr at best the greatest weapon ever in football history with such talent and we couldnt put a great team around him its a shame not to mention in the 80's a cheap owner named joe robbie wouldnt bring any talent in we were great or good because of one person THATS IT DAN MARINO no other PLAYER will ever have as much impact on a franchise as he did
 
As of right now, I would rank my all time qb's like this.
1. Montana
2. Marino
3. Manning
4. Brady
5. Elway
I can only back this up with my opinion. To me Joe Montana was a killer. He lived to pull the other teams heart out and has the rings to back it up. Dan had the quickest release I've ever seen. Even the Bears 46 couldn't get to him that day. If Peyton wins a Super Bowl, he will move up. But he is such a student of the game, it seems like he knows exactly what the defense is going to do and then he takes them to the wood shed. Brady has the rings, but he does have that joe cool aspect that any team would love to have. As much as it pains me, Elway is a top pick. He never won the big game till he got that back. Terrell Davis was more of the reason the Donkos won two bowls. But you cannot dismiss that John Elway led that team.
 
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