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Marino Was Better than Montana but Walsh Was Better than Shula

miamifin12345 said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1--pmXE7H0&feature=relmfu

All 7 clips are amazing

Marino had more talent and more ability than Montana that is obvious to anyone... but the reason Montana is considered the greatest player to play the game is because he had Bill Walsh...

Look at the impact Walsh had on producing some of the greatest thinkers in the NFL. I don't think one Shula staffer aside from his son ever coached a team...

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Don't know about all that, but the number of wins indicates clearly that Shula was the better coach...
 
ohall said:
Sorry Marino was not better than Montana. Just because we are Dolphin fans, we shouldn't go around lying to ourselves.
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The stats say he isnt, Montana was surrounded by Hall of Fame Talent and still didnt put up the stats Marino did. Marino is still the greatest quarteback of all time unfortunately he didnt win a superbowl.
 
j-off-her-doll said:
The Marino/Montana thing is difficult.

The Shula/Walsh thing is not.

Walsh was a MUCH better coach. Not close.
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Bill Walsh could not adapt to different styles of football like Shula did. Or sustain the type of success the 49ers once had through as many years Shula kept the Dolphins being perennial contenders.
 
I think Shula losing to the JETS in super Bowl three is what he will say is one of the lowest points in his career. I think Walsh would have won that game. Walsh would have been smart enough to start Unitas.
 
BlueFin said:
Your way off base.....Chuck Noll was a Shula protege and won 4 Superbowls.........Shula's fault was not coaching.....it was personel selection. As Bum Phillips said "He can take his'n and beat your'n.....or he can take your'n and beat his'n.

I find it funny someone is attacking one of the greatest coaches ever that was the Dolphins coach for 25 years...the only coach to EVER coach a complete perfect season...versus attacking the many wannstedt's and wannabees since he left?
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I think you are spot on about Shula. Like Parcells, Shula was great as a HC but as a team builder, not so much. He compromised Marino because he never gave him a running game or a solid defense. I remember games in the late 80s/early 90s when the Bills would spot the Fins 2 TDs early on, and then come storming back to beat them badly. It's similar to how Bill Polian really compromised Peyton in Indy by not giving him the running game and defense that could have given him multiple rings.

It's great to have a great QB to get your team a lead, but in order to hold that lead and win games, especially playoff games, a team needs to be able to run the ball and stop the other team. It's a big reason why the Pats have been somewhat less than successful in the playoffs in recent years, and why the Giants beat them this year.
 
ohall said:
Sorry Marino was not better than Montana. Just because we are Dolphin fans, we shouldn't go around lying to ourselves.
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Disagree.........and its not out of bias, I was old enough to vividly remember those years. Montana had a stacked team around him full of hall of famers, Marino did not...its that simple.

If Dan Marino had been the QB of the Niners of the 80's & 90's , he would have won a handful of rings.

Joe Montana could not have taken the Dolphins to as much success as Danny did, he just didn't have as much passing talent.....period.

Marino took a team with no 1000 yard rusher.....smurf receivers, and the 19th ranked defense out of 28 teams to a 14-2 record, AFC Championship and to a Superbowl. Montana would not have have gotten that 84' Dolphins team to the Superbowl.

Montana was a great QB, and I'm not taking anything away from him, but football is a team game and he had a great team around him....Marino never did.
 
tcdrover said:
Montana was unquestionably a better QB than Marino. There should be no doubt in anyone's mind about that. Where was Walsh when he played at Notre Dame?

Shula was also IMO unquestionably a better coach than Walsh. Shula is interwoven in the very fabric of the NFL. :d-day:

Look at Don's history going back to when he was with the Colts. What he did with the Dolphin's STILL has not been repeated.

I think way too many people think of Marino when they think of Dolphin greatness. Larry Csonka, Griese & Don Shula are what Dolphin greatness is all about.
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:lol: Too funny...where was Walsh when Montanta put up the following numbers during his tenure at Notre Dame:

268 comp, 515 att, 52% comp, 4,121 yards, 25 TD, 25 int
 
AdamC13 said:
:lol: Too funny...where was Walsh when Montanta put up the following numbers during his tenure at Notre Dame:

268 comp, 515 att, 52% comp, 4,121 yards, 25 TD, 25 int
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Yeah Montana's college career was soo impressive that teams were falling over each other to pick him in the third round. What happened when Montana went down to injury? Oh yeah Steve Young stepped in and not only kept the offense going at the same pace but put up better numbers than Joe.
 
datruth55 said:
Marino was a better pure passer but when it comes to play action fakes and rollouts Montana is the obvious choice. Dan Marino was amazing, he carried this team for years but IMO Montana was a better all around QB, he did everything well (I know I'm going to get killed for this).

As for Shula, his biggest flaw was his loyalty to his coordinators. There is absolutely no reason Tom Olividotti should have been a defensive coordinator in the NFL...or even in pee-wee football for that matter.
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This. I loved Marino and no doubt he didn't have the defense behind him that Montana had. But there's more to quarterback than passing the football. Montana had the edge in almost all those other areas.
 
kvado16 said:
Bill Walsh could not adapt to different styles of football like Shula did. Or sustain the type of success the 49ers once had through as many years Shula kept the Dolphins being perennial contenders.
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I don't know what you mean by saying Walsh couldn't sustain success, since the 49ers won the Super Bowl in his final year. That was actually Shula's failing. If he had retired after the 1985 Super Bowl (lost to Walsh), he would be remembered as clearly the greatest coach of all time. Unfortunately, what followed was 11 seasons of bad drafts and increasing ineptitude as Marino was forced to try to carry the team by himself (and darn near did it, with no running game and no defense), until he was finally forced out.
 
well, I remember during the 90s, I don't think our team was ever the best in the division (the Bills were just too much, on O&D) or in the Conference... but we went as usual to the play-off with a team with Marino, 2 good receivers, a a very good in pass pro O line and....almost nothing else... almost nothing else (jb brown? marco coleman? hollier? how many poor or average players we had...)

the problem was players selection, but I think that , as a day game coach, Shula is what? one of the best 3 at least (in the history, of course).... and he did, for how many years?!?!?!
the season when Marino went down, in '93, for example....


all in all, how many good years wasted away, for our franchise :(
 
There is one even better:

Paul Brown - Check out the Godfather's tree:


 
TGall13 said:
Walsh said it best: "Montana was a product of a system, Marino was a system"
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That's Walsh trying to pump himself up(which he didn't need to do).

Talent wise Mariano is bettre and and may have been better on the field. I don't really disagree w/ the title of this thread but based on everything it's hard to put Marino ahead of Montana.
 
nyjunc said:
That's Walsh trying to pump himself up(which he didn't need to do).

Talent wise Mariano is bettre and and may have been better on the field. I don't really disagree w/ the title of this thread but based on everything it's hard to put Marino ahead of Montana.
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This quote from Walsh was taken from a film session he did on Marino. He was evaluating Marino's quick release, his anticipation, velocity, sack avoidance, and some other areas. He basically went on to say that there was no one better than Marino. He also went on to say that had Marino been involved in the West Coast system and had a complimentary defense, there wouldn't have been any team that could have stopped him from winning multiple SB's.
I've always said that Marino didn't need a good runningback, he needed a good defense.
 
I would have taken a good defense over a good play action. Marino didn't have any problems scoring points. Without a valid running game, how much does play action 'really' work?
 
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