Marshall on Borderline Personality Disorder

[Travis34]

I like how u used the word "suffers" in there like he's some kind of terminally ill individual. The guy beat the crap out his woman numerous times, is BPD supposed to make me feel better about the guy? I think lockz is right, he's still a pretty low character individual. But whatever, as long as he holds on to the ball.

Wow, you must ignorant, mainly for the reason right below your post. People indeed do suffer from conditions such as these, and in this case crazy/bipolar disorder are essentially synonyms. How would you feel to go "crazy" in your own head? But I guess thats not suffering...

 

[FrankieG]

Well I'm truly sorry for your friend. I just feel like Marshall uses the disorder as a scapegoat for his off the field troubles, that's all.

Funny how he's totally stayed out of trouble since being diagnosed with the disorder and thus being able to deal with it better.

 

[Locke]

I've worked closely and intensively with people diagnosed with Borderline Personality Disorder. If you don't think it's a big deal, or don't think it's a viable excuse for unconventional behavior, then you are truly speaking out of ignorance. The lack of respect some people have for mental health blows my mind. It's like parts of this country are still stuck in a third world mentality...

 

[Chuck-182]

The lack of respect some people have for mental health blows my mind.

My thoughts exactly. The amount of ignorance some people have is maddening.

 

[NBP81]

You watch the video, and then read some posts in this thread, Marshall sure isnt the one looking like a head case...

 

[KB21]

I've worked closely and intensively with people diagnosed with Borderline Personality Disorder. If you don't think it's a big deal, or don't think it's a viable excuse for unconventional behavior, then you are truly speaking out of ignorance. The lack of respect some people have for mental health blows my mind. It's like parts of this country are still stuck in a third world mentality...

Well, I'm a physician, and based on my experience, I think there are very few true cases of mental illness. Bipolar disorder, ADHD, anxiety, depression.....all are overdiagnosed. I see very few true bipolar cases. I've had one patient that was a true Borderline Personality Disorder patient, and that was diagnosed after I had her committed to the local behavioral health center because she had a plan to kill herself. In most cases, I think these diagnoses are convenient excuses for people who simply do not want to cope with the stress that everyone faces in day to day life.

However, I'm glad there are those like you who want to treat this stuff, because I really don't want to waste my time with it. I refer most all mental health issues out of my clinic. I'd much rather see the local JUCO starting pitcher who has RC tendonitis and get him back on the field than see someone who really only wants the high they get from xanax.

 

[Finland]

Well, I'm a physician, and based on my experience, I think there are very few true cases of mental illness. Bipolar disorder, ADHD, anxiety, depression.....all are overdiagnosed. I see very few true bipolar cases. I've had one patient that was a true Borderline Personality Disorder patient, and that was diagnosed after I had her committed to the local behavioral health center because she had a plan to kill herself. In most cases, I think these diagnoses are convenient excuses for people who simply do not want to cope with the stress that everyone faces in day to day life.

However, I'm glad there are those like you who want to treat this stuff, because I really don't want to waste my time with it. I refer most all mental health issues out of my clinic. I'd much rather see the local JUCO starting pitcher who has RC tendonitis and get him back on the field than see someone who really only wants the high they get from xanax.

Clearly even as a physician then, you are not very well exposed to the issues or prefer the easy black and white jobs then. Perhaps they are over diagnosed, perhaps Brandon is over diagnosed. But that does not negate the issues for those that are not. Thanks to those doctors that don't mind tough cases to work on. Cheers to those that suffer from illness and have someone more interested than you. Just because this disease is hard for people to understand doesn't mean they don't deserve to be treated. I'd love to hear you talk like that on stage at your next physicians convention.

 

[NY8123]

Well I'm truly sorry for your friend. I just feel like Marshall uses the disorder as a scapegoat for his off the field troubles, that's all.

BPD is a disease and at times affects rational decisions to the point of self destruction. I have a friend who was a great Mechanical Engineer and a pretty close friend, this guy was better at certain things in mechanics than I am and that is a complement that I don't give freely. I have not met many people who can understand the processes and mechanical engineering behind things like I do.

His life was grand until he made some bad choices and that lead to more bad choices which ended up landing him in Jail for burning his house down. He was bipolar and always had been stable but after one thing lead to another it just rolled out of control until even I could not reason with him. He was a completely deferent person than the guy I knew.

I hadn't talked to him since our last phone conversation before he burnt his house, I told him "until you are willing to help yourself, don't call me back because you are wasting my time". He proceeded one more day of self destruction and then burnt his house (no one was hurt by the grace of God). Was arrested and sent to jail where he still wasn't ready to help himself and continued to self destruct waiving his right to representation, destruction of Jail property and pleading guilty without trial to arson.

Three years to the month of that conversation I received a letter from jail, with his apologies saying he was finally helping himself to recovery. He wanted to know if I was still his friend. I said yeah but you needed to learn a lesson for yourself before I could help you in anyway. He said the lesson I taught him when he finally realized what I was trying to do for him was greater than any he could have learned on his own.

I am sorry but people with BPD have a huge uphill challenge. My friend was a highly educated man, with a successful job and life but even he succumbed to its struggles as a disease. Killed me to give him tough love like that but sometimes it is the only route you can go.

Now I go see him, he is recovering nicely and I think has a good life ahead of him when he is freed but he is no fool and knows his struggles when he gets out of jail are going to be a huge part of the climb back to normality.

 

[tcdrover]

I like how u used the word "suffers" in there like he's some kind of terminally ill individual. The guy beat the crap out his woman numerous times, is BPD supposed to make me feel better about the guy? I think lockz is right, he's still a pretty low character individual. But whatever, as long as he holds on to the ball.

Yeah, that is not really the right way to describe it. He makes the people around him suffer would be much more accurate.

If he weren't a millionaire professional athelete he would be in jail in CO or here in Florida.

To put this in better perspective. I am not saying it is not a legitimate and very serious mental illness, I am saying it is not an excuse to break the law. Many women suffer from post partum depression. Most of them do not kill their babies, the ones that do should be held responsible. This diagnosis is not a get out of jail free card. He is just incredibly immature and irresponsible IMHO. If you look at the history of off the field issues in Denver and here along with the asinine on the field issues the picture is not of a poor 'suffering', person with mental problems.

OJ could have a doctor diagnose him with same Diagnosis I'm sure.

 

[rob19]

Well, I'm a physician, and based on my experience, I think there are very few true cases of mental illness. Bipolar disorder, ADHD, anxiety, depression.....all are overdiagnosed. I see very few true bipolar cases. I've had one patient that was a true Borderline Personality Disorder patient, and that was diagnosed after I had her committed to the local behavioral health center because she had a plan to kill herself. In most cases, I think these diagnoses are convenient excuses for people who simply do not want to cope with the stress that everyone faces in day to day life.

However, I'm glad there are those like you who want to treat this stuff, because I really don't want to waste my time with it. I refer most all mental health issues out of my clinic. I'd much rather see the local JUCO starting pitcher who has RC tendonitis and get him back on the field than see someone who really only wants the high they get from xanax.

Are you a Psychiatrist as well as a General Practitioner? Why are you seeing these people in the first place? Unless your a Psychiatrist it would seem to me that this subject is a bit out of your element.

I do agree with you that ADHD is probably by far the most over-diagnosed condition on the planet. I fear that the cause of that is Pharmaceutical greed, gotta have patients to sell pills right? & I'm sure you've seen your share of pill-seekers, but to say there are "very few" true cases of mental illness is dismissive, or disingenuous, I think.

 

[KB21]

Are you a Psychiatrist as well as a General Practitioner? Why are you seeing these people in the first place? Unless your a Psychiatrist it would seem to me that this subject is a bit out of your element.

I do agree with you that ADHD is probably by far the most over-diagnosed condition on the planet. I fear that the cause of that is Pharmaceutical greed, gotta have patients to sell pills right? & I'm sure you've seen your share of pill-seekers, but to say there are "very few" true cases of mental illness is dismissive, or disingenuous, I think.

I think it is a function of society today. Parents do not want to discipline their children. They don't want to spend time with them. They would rather have the child placed on ADHD medication, which I call a chemical babysitter, so they do not have to fool with them. IMO, the rise of the ADHD diagnosis has coincided with the government taking discipline out of our school system. Of course, you can place the fault for most of this country's problems to the meddlesome, tyrannical government we have.

 

[Locke]

Well, I'm a physician, and based on my experience, I think there are very few true cases of mental illness. Bipolar disorder, ADHD, anxiety, depression.....all are overdiagnosed. I see very few true bipolar cases. I've had one patient that was a true Borderline Personality Disorder patient, and that was diagnosed after I had her committed to the local behavioral health center because she had a plan to kill herself. In most cases, I think these diagnoses are convenient excuses for people who simply do not want to cope with the stress that everyone faces in day to day life.

However, I'm glad there are those like you who want to treat this stuff, because I really don't want to waste my time with it. I refer most all mental health issues out of my clinic. I'd much rather see the local JUCO starting pitcher who has RC tendonitis and get him back on the field than see someone who really only wants the high they get from xanax.

I agree completely. Everything is over-diagnosed. Personally, I don't think ADD actually exists. I think it's an excuse for parents as to why they can't get their kids to behave. Everyone gets sad now and then, but that doesn't mean you have major depressive disorder. Yet, anti-depressants are the most prescribed medication in the field. Bipolar disorder is often diagnosed to teens who are, quite honestly, just spoiled little douchebags. For whatever reason, the psychiatry field seems to be the landing spot for a lot of people who are over-eager to just throw medication at everything. True practitioners of the field use medication as a last resort. Personally, this is why I'm going into clinical psychology and not psychiatry. Unless you're schizophrenic or have a pronounced case of bipolar disorder, I personally think there is no reason to prescribe any of these medications.

I disagree that there very few cases of true mental illness, but that's not surprising. MDs practice a field that is tangible and empirical, whereas my field is ambiguous and tends to be subjective...

 

[KB21]

I agree completely. Everything is over-diagnosed. Personally, I don't think ADD actually exists. I think it's an excuse for parents as to why they can't get their kids to behave. Everyone gets sad now and then, but that doesn't mean you have major depressive disorder. Yet, anti-depressants are the most prescribed medication in the field. Bipolar disorder is often diagnosed to teens who are, quite honestly, just spoiled little douchebags. For whatever reason, the psychiatry field seems to be the landing spot for a lot of people who are over-eager to just throw medication at everything. True practitioners of the field use medication as a last resort. Personally, this is why I'm going into clinical psychology and not psychiatry. Unless you're schizophrenic or have a pronounced case of bipolar disorder, I personally think there is no reason to prescribe any of these medications.

I disagree that there very few cases of true mental illness, but that's not surprising. MDs practice a field that is tangible and empirical, whereas my field is ambiguous and tends to be subjective...

This is why I love sports medicine. I like to see the tangible results of my work. In sports medicine, I can take an athlete that is injured or hurt, treat him, and get him back onto the field. When that player is on the field, it shows me that what I did worked.

 

[Finland]

This is why I love sports medicine. I like to see the tangible results of my work. In sports medicine, I can take an athlete that is injured or hurt, treat him, and get him back onto the field. When that player is on the field, it shows me that what I did worked.

It's even better to see people with Depression (for many reasons) get the help they need and decide to stop trying to take their life by suicide. Lets see, help someone live or help some one play ball. I actually get where you are coming from, but I've had enough exposure to understand it is incorrect thinking. If you had a brother or sister, take their own life, you might stop to think, "perhaps they could have used some help". I have no idea about Brandon Marshall but it is really sad to even suggest their are not people who need help. Downplaying the severity and keeping the stigma around it alive is one of the biggest issues for these people. Mind you I am talking about the schizophrenics and bipolar people. I do understand you separate them in your thread. But this type of talk is doing those that DO have a problem a disservice. As a health person you seem to lack compassion. You are saying all these things in reference to Brandon Marshall yet you know nothing about him, in fact you do have some evidence that he may be one of these people. Imagine what it is like if you are sick and no one believes you. Tough spot I would think. Sort of well, depressing.

 

[dlockz]

What drug do you diagnose not to try to beat up women lol