Chuck-182
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Or catch 80+ balls or have 1,000+ yards. See I can do it too.
Marshall talks about the trade, continues to diss Matt Moore.
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Or catch 80+ balls or have 1,000+ yards. See I can do it too.
*sigh* My post was in response to the Moore detractors who never miss an opportunity to dump on a guy who in terms of "scoreboard" was a quantum improvement over the one he replaced. These are some of the same folks whose posts, right up until the time Henne went down were excusing his play and faulting receivers, porous OLs and offensive schemes. Hell I was one of them until unlike them, I saw the difference when a guy who actually had moxie and inspirational leadership qualities was thrown in cold. Believe me it was an eye-opener - especially when you're actually there in person watching one QB interact with his offense, slapping 5's and in return receiving smiles and pats on the shoulder in encouragement vs a guy who looked like he was a deer in the headlights on the sidelines and had his offense reacting to him accordingly.
Beyond that, it's just "scoreboard" Once he got his sealegs under him, Moore managed to win with the same cast of characters, getting the best out of them that Henne managed to lose and lose and lose with. Can't conveniently parse scoreboard no matter how you want to rationalize it! The "It"" vs Sh*t Factor...that's what it reduced down to.
So yes, as someone who was also wearing the Henne blinders too long, at least I was open-minded enough to see what a radical difference a QB with leadership and confidence, regardless of his relative skills can make. And as others have said, started feeling that catastrophe wasn't always lurking around the bend. And unlike some of Moore's detractors, I've actually observed all elements of that difference up close and personal in North Miami, not 2000 or 5000 miles away.
I sure hope that Tannehill is our franchise QB of the future for a long time, will be pulling for him hard, but still resent the crap heaped on a guy who was baptized under fire and who actually ended up, more than anyone else on the team, making fans smile, by those with agendas who, unlike me, were so emotionally invested in believing Henne was getting the short end of the stick that the only way they can make themselves feel better is by trying to drag MM down to his level of ineptitude.
ebozzz
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Stang, I hear you but add in some of those completions Brandon dropped. Could it be be that Moore might have approached that 50 yards per quarter standard with those? Not a Moore advocate now and I am glad that we took a QB who appears to have the qualities to possibly take over that position. But, Brandon needs to take ownership of the parts that he contributed to our offensive struggles last season and stop placing all the blame elsewhere...
People talk about BM hurting Moore because he had a few dropped passes, when actually he carried Moore and caught a lot of inaccurate passes. These same "people" who bring up Henne when a fact is stated about Moore they don't like cracks me up. (yes you Vaark). BM dropped Hennes passes too last year, to include TDs and BM had one of his best games with Henne at the helm. Also at the top of this page people are talking about not worrying about Moore at the end of games when they use to worry about Henne?! HAHAHAHAHA LMAO! Moore did not win A SINGLE game last year that was close despite multiple opportunities. His fumbles in the Denver, Cowboys, and NE games were the biggest reasons why we lost those games, combined with his inability to close games and disappearing act in the 4th quarter. Matt Moore is of the Orton cloth, good stats but can't seal the deal and chokes in the clutch. At least Henne did win a few in the clutch, Moore did not.....not once last year. And once again, averaged less than 200 yards a game which is absolutely PATHETIC and not the fault of the few drops BM had.
I'd argue that moore didn't have to put up with sparano, lee, and a crusty old fart, and the misuse of the wildcat to hinder his growth as a quarterback.
I've got screen captures of your excuses and rationalizations defending Henne from the week before he went down.. long before your revisionist history that Moore sucks but Henne sucked too. Context my man, it helps with credibility... as does "scoreboard" My problem is not that you don't like Moore, but the ego-shattering reasons why.. the same criticisms you regularly rose up to aggressively refute when they were applied to Henne. Aren't you stationed in Korea (thanks for your service incidentally), so I don't think you've watched either of these QBs, the leader or the load in person, have ya?
ebozzz
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:err: Ok.....
Big Bro, the fact is that Brandon had more negative contributions than just dropped passes but I will say this, at least 4 of those TD passes that he dropped appeared to be very accurate! All I am saying is that Brandon needs to own up to his part in the deal. All of his talk seems to be centered around the QBs not being good enough while lacking the things that he could have done to help the situation. QB play is important. There's no doubt about that. Any team certainly wants to have a productive QB and I think that the Miami staff has stated that there has to be some improvement in that area. The thing that I keep mulling over is that they basically gave Brandon away for peanuts. If Miami honestly felt that the lack of a QB was the root cause of all of the offensive problems, as Brandon seems to keep hinting at, do you think that they would have just let him go for 2 third round picks? Just asking....
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Go break a leg in Chicago Brandon....... I mean really go break your god damn leg.
And STFU you worthless hack of a WR.
And STFU you worthless hack of a WR.
Chuck-182
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Now that's classy...
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Sucks that he isnt in MIA anymore. But since he isn't, he should be enough of a professional, to move on. But that may be asking abit to much now days.
Hey Marshal, I've moved on, why don't you.
Hey Marshal, I've moved on, why don't you.
2413fanphins
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Im still just waiting for matt moore to actually play a full season in the nfl. I dont need nor do i want a qb who cant play a full season. Its nice to put together a three game stretch against **** teams, but until the league starts putting you in the playoffs based off of your best three game stretches, wed better continue to look for a real qb.
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Yes, they both sucked.....but Moore sucked on his own. Why do you always have to bring up Henne every time someone says something bad about Moore. It is like talking about Bush every time someone says something bad about Obama. The fact is Moore averaged less than 200 yards per game, had fumbles that cost us at least 3 games, and could not win in close games last year despite multiple opportunities. This has nothing to do with Henne and has everything to do with Moore, so why bring up Henne? You look like a clown every time you do it. Moore has fumble problems, you only say that because of Henne. Moore averaged less than 200 yards passing per game, you only say that because of Henne, Moore did not win one close game last year despite multiple chances, awwww you are just saying that because of Henne. No Vaark, I am saying it because of Matt Moore.
For the record, Henne was playing a lot better before getting hurt in an offense very new to the team and on a team as a whole that was not playing well. Funny when looking at that post of Bess and Hartline catches from last year, who the QB was for most of the good throws....and it wasn't Moore.