Marvin Lewis, Lovie Smith, Tony Dungy and Now Mike Tomlin..........

[ebozzz]

Alright, we have have coach regardless of how some of us might feel about it. I sometimes wonder why the Dolphins don't make a stronger run at some of the minority candidates? We could have possibly had Dungy instead of Jimmy Johnson. Marvin Lewis was available but we went with Wannstedt. Saban was the choice over Lovie Smith if I am not mistaken and now Cameron over Tomlin.

I can understand why this choice was made. With Capers on the defensive side and our lethargic offense, we needed someone to take control of that unit. It remains to be seen if Cameron will have a positive impact but I do wish him well. We need some consistency. Our coaching situations have been a joke for quite a while.

 

[Myles Fynch]

Alright, we have have coach regardless of how some of us might feel about it. I sometimes wonder why the Dolphins don't make a stronger run at some of the minority candidates? We could have possibly had Dungy instead of Jimmy Johnson. Marvin Lewis was available but we went with Wannstedt. Saban was the choice over Lovie Smith if I am not mistaken and now Cameron over Tomlin.

I think had there been a clear cut minority candidate who specialized on the offensive side of the ball, he would have been a finalist. Simply put, that's what I think we needed as a team--an offensive minded guy who couldn't be overruled by a defensive minded guy.

All in all, two of our three QBs are minorities, and I remember Doug Williams before the Super Bowl being asked, "How long have you been a black quarterback?" ...so I do feel progress is being made. You'll know we're where we need to be when people stop counting.

 

[Regan21286]

Alright, we have have coach regardless of how some of us might feel about it. I sometimes wonder why the Dolphins don't make a stronger run at some of the minority candidates? We could have possibly had Dungy instead of Jimmy Johnson. Marvin Lewis was available but we went with Wannstedt. Saban was the choice over Lovie Smith if I am not mistaken and now Cameron over Tomlin.

I can understand why this choice was made. With Capers on the defensive side and our lethargic offense, we needed someone to take control of that unit. It remains to be seen if Cameron will have a positive impact but I do wish him well. We need some consistency. Our coaching situations have been a joke for quite a while.

Cameron was the better man for the job in Wayne's view. And I hope he's right. I don't think you should select a guy just because of his race since it's racism either way. Best man for the job wins. That's how it should be. I personally wanted Norm Chow seeing as he has a tremendous track record with offenses and QBs not because he's Asian (the true minority of the NFL).

As for Dungy, he already had a balanced offense that could take care of itself so all he had to do was focus on d. We didn't have a good offense or even a decent one so you can't really say he'd do well here. Marvin Lewis we probably should've taken rather than Wannstedt.

 

[ebozzz]

I think had there been a clear cut minority candidate who specialized on the offensive side of the ball, he would have been a finalist. Simply put, that's what I think we needed as a team--an offensive minded guy who couldn't be overruled by a defensive minded guy.

I would like to think that would have been the case. Don't get me wrong. I'm not advocating that we should have targeted Tomlin. I do feel that we may have missed out on Dungy, Smith and Lewis.

All in all, two of our three QBs are minorities, and I remember Doug Williams before the Super Bowl being asked, "How long have you been a black quarterback?" ...so I do feel progress is being made. You'll know we're where we need to be when people stop counting.

Nice analogy. Although sadly, it will probably be a long time at best before the counting stops.

 

[ebozzz]

Cameron was the better man for the job in Wayne's view. And I hope he's right. I don't think you should select a guy just because of his race since it's racism either way. Best man for the job wins. That's how it should be.

No arguments from me on that but think about this. In retrospect, do you think that Dungy may have been the better choice over J.J. regardless of race? I'd say a pretty good argument could be made for him. How about Smith over Saban?

I personally wanted Norm Chow seeing as he has a tremendous track record with offenses and QBs not because he's Asian (the true minority of the NFL).

:D Ain't that the truth!

As for Dungy, he already had a balanced offense that could take care of itself so all he had to do was focus on d. We didn't have a good offense or even a decent one so you can't really say he'd do well here. Marvin Lewis we probably should've taken rather than Wannstedt.

Agreed on both points. Who knows how well Tony would have done if he had been selected. I personally think that we would be better off now than we currently are but obviously it is just my opinion. I can find no reason why Lewis would not have been the better choice over Dave.

 

[Semedi]

You're making this into an issue about race, instead of an issue about who the best candidate is.

Ridiculous :shakeno:

 

[Jimmy James]

Once again, Lovie Smith was NOT available when Saban was hired. He was a year into coaching the Bears by that point. Remember that he was said to be the one so willing to part with Booker to get Wale.

 

[ebozzz]

You're making this into an issue about race, instead of an issue about who the best candidate is.

Ridiculous :shakeno:

No, I'm not. I am simply saying that we failed to target and strongly pursue what could have been great coaches for this organization. You'll have to ask Wayne why he felt the decision to go with the choices that he made but in reality, it's no secret that talented minority candidates have been overlooked. You have a small mind. :rolleyes2

 

[Myles Fynch]

No arguments from me on that but think about this. In retrospect, do you think that Dungy may have been the better choice over J.J. regardless of race? I'd say a pretty could be made for him. How about Smith over Saban?

Nobody was going to beat Jimmy Johnson out of replacing Don Shula, because of what he did for the Hurricanes (same city) & Cowboys. The logical assumption was that he do it for the Dolphins, too. I admit I had tunnel vision with JJ, and considered it a forgone conclusion he'd take us to the top. In hindsight, a lot of people would have been a better choice.

To be fair, although he missed on a lot of draft picks, we've had ZT & JT their entire careers, and Sam Madison and Patrick Surtain made us a formidable defense -- and we know what wins championships. The Surtain trade for the pick that became Matt Roth will be an interesting thing to watch unfold as Roth does or does not develop further. I think he will, but we'll see.

 

[ebozzz]

Saban was the choice over Lovie Smith if I am not mistaken and now Cameron over Tomlin.

Here is what I wrote. I sincerely thought that Lovie was available during the same time frame that we went after Saban. I am positive that Saban was the guy that the front office set their sights on.

 

[Regan21286]

No arguments from me on that but think about this. In retrospect, do you think that Dungy may have been the better choice over J.J. regardless of race? I'd say a pretty good argument could be made for him. How about Smith over Saban?

Maybe Smith would've been better than Saban but you can't tell. And I actually would've taken J.J back then. You knew he had the Super Bowl track record while Dungy was known to be too conservative in his offense. In hindsight, I don't think you can really tell because either had their faults and praises.

 

[dolfan305]

WHO CARES!!!!!!!!!! the coach could be black white brown or yellow. one ethnic background us not better at coaching than another. if there is black guy better at coaching than a white guy then get him. and vice versa. u get the guy who u think will do a better job. u know what else is stupid? when an owner has to interview a minority candadite for the head coach job. if the guy is good he'll get an interview. if he doesn't look good then he won't. that's how things should be. for the record I'm hispanic

 

[ebozzz]

Nobody was going to beat Jimmy Johnson out of replacing Don Shula, because of what he did for the Hurricanes (same city) & Cowboys. The logical assumption was that he do it for the Dolphins, too. I admit I had tunnel vision with JJ, and considered it a forgone conclusion he'd take us to the top. In hindsight, a lot of people would have been a better choice.

To be fair, although he missed on a lot of draft picks, we've had ZT & JT their entire careers, and Sam Madison and Patrick Surtain made us a formidable defense -- and we know what wins championships. The Surtain trade for the pick that became Matt Roth will be an interesting thing to watch unfold as Roth does or does not develop further. I think he will, but we'll see.

See we shall Myles. I happen to like Roth a lot. He showed quite a bit of improvement this year. We've got to get some of those other young defensive linemen in the mix.

I actually wanted us to get Dungy rather than Jimmy. He was an active coach on the rise while Jimmy was kind of out of touch IMO. Johnson did hit big with Taylor, Thomas, Madison and Surtain. He did not do a lot in the draft offensively. Can you say John Avery? :D

 

[ebozzz]

u know what else is stupid? when an owner has to interview a minority candadite for the head coach job. if the guy is good he'll get an interview. if he doesn't look good then he won't. that's how things should be. for the record I'm hispanic

I wish that was the way that things really are but unfortunately, lots of talented individuals still get overlooked due to race. And, for the record I never said that we we should hire anyone simply because they were minority candidates. Also, the rule about interviewing the candidates that you mentioned came about because those candidates were not getting an opportunity to be considered regardless of how well they were doing!

 

[Califin]

I wouldn't dispute the remarks, that claim Wayne's guilt of favoring the popular candidates. But despite whatever factors may have led to such notoriety, nothing I've seen thus far, has led me to believe his decisions were based on anything other than selecting, who he felt represented the teams best chance of winning a championship.