Maser's O-line Drafting History (Long Post)

[Conuficus]

I decided to do some research on my own regarding Mike Maser as it pertains to his selection of offensive lineman in the draft. I have based this on going back to 1995 and ending in 2005, which spans his coaching career with Jacksonville (1995-2002) and Carolina (2002-2005). It should be noted that Maser worked with Chris Palmer in Jacksonville, and Dan Henning in Carolina. (I just did that to refresh your collective memory, in case some forgot the correlation)

I garnered this information from NFL.com in case any wish to check it out and make sure I didn’t leave anyone off. Anyway here is the list:
Jacksonville:

1995: Tony Boselli, OT USC – Round 1 #2 overall
Brian DeMarco, OT Michigan St. – Round 2 #40 overall
Marcus Price, OT Louisiana St. – Round 6 #172 overall

1996: Michael Cheever, 6’ 295lbs. C Georgia Tech – Round 2 #60 overall
Jimmy Herndon, 6’8†318lbs. OT Houston – Round 5 #146 overall

1997: None

1998: John Wade, 6’5†299lbs. C Marshall – Round 4 #101 overall

1999: None

2000: Brad Meester, 6’3†300lbs. G Northern Iowa – Round 2 #60 overall
Joey Chustz, OT Louisiana Tech – Round 4 #123 overall
Mark Baniewicz 6’5†303lbs. OT Syracuse – Round 7 #247 overall

2001: Maurice Williams, 6’5†315lbs. OT Michigan – Round 2 #43 overall
Chad Ward, G Washington – Round 6 #170 overall

2002: Mike Pearson, 6’7†297lbs. OT Florida – Round 2 #40 overall


Carolina:

2003: Jordan Gross, 6’4†300lbs. OT Utah – Round 1 #8 overall
Bruce Nelson 6’5†301lbs. C Iowa – Round 2 #50 overall

2004: Travelle Wharton 6’4†312lbs. G South Carolina - Round 3 #94 overall

2005: Evan Mathis 6’5†304lbs. G Alabama - Round 3 #79 overall
Geoff Hangartner 6’5†301lbs. C Texas A&M – Round 5 #169 overall
Joe Berger 6’5†304lbs. T Michigan Tech – Round 6 #304 overall

2006: Rashard Butler 6’4†293lbs. OT Miami (Fl) – Round 3 #89 overall
Will Montgomery 6’3†312lbs. G Virginia Tech – Round 7 #234 overall

In all 20 O-lineman were taken during this time, and 11 of which were taken in the third round or higher. I also feel compelled to mention that all of the O-lineman taken whilst he was in Carolina fit in Dan Henning’s offense. Both men were there for the same amount of time essentially.
What should also be readily apparent is the size of the lineman drafted. There are no Leonard Davis’s or Bryant McKinnie’s. In fact the average height works out to be: 6’3.5†and 303.6lbs*. Also if we take those measurements and do a height to weight ratio we would show a 4.02.

*(please note there 5 O-lineman that I do not have height and weights for so the average is for 15 O-lineman).

Hardly earth movers or road graders here, more so it appears being athletic and mobile appear to be the name of the game. Such numbers support the recent roster purge of O-lineman; Shelton and Hadnot and our recent addition; Smiley and rumored additions; Fabini and Maurice Williams. The only real big guy is Carey, and even he slimmed down to a pretty low weight for him. All in all it appears that the trend in taking smaller (weight wise) more athletic O-lineman will continue.

Taking the numerical evidence gleamed from the info above I decided to glance over the O-lineman available in this year’s draft that fit this prototype. I tried NFlDraftCountdown.com but it didn’t have all the statistical information, so I used WalterFootball.com and FootballsFuture.com as guides for the numbers as they appear to be accurate. Here is what I came up with:


Tackles

Jake Long, Michigan
Height: 6-7. Weight: 313.
Projected 40 Time: 5.00.
Combine 40 Time: 5.17.
Benchx225: 37.
Height to Weight: 3.96
10 yd Split Time: 1.75


Ryan Clady, Boise State
Height: 6-6. Weight: 309.
Projected 40 Time: 5.20.
Combine 40 Time: Did not run.
Benchx225: 24.
Height to Weight: 3.96

Chris Williams, Vanderbilt
Height: 6-6. Weight: 315.
Projected 40 Time: 5.13.
Combine 40 Time: 5.07.
Arm: 32 7/8. Benchx225: 21
Height to Weight: 4.03
10 yd Split Time: 1.87


Sam Baker, USC
Height: 6-4. Weight: 309.
Projected 40 Time: 5.01.
Combine 40 Time: Did not run.
Arm: 32 3/8. Benchx22
Height to Weight: 4.06 (rd)


Gosder Cherilus, Boston College
Height: 6-6. Weight: 315.
Projected 40 Time: 5.08.
Combine 40 Time: 5.21.
Arm: 35 5/8. Benchx225:
Height to Weight: 4.03
10 yd Split Time: 1.76


Anthony Collins, Kansas
Height: 6-5. Weight: 317.
Projected 40 Time: 4.98.
Combine 40 Time: 5.53.
Benchx225:
Height to Weight: 4.11


Tony Hills, Texas
Height: 6-6. Weight: 301.
Projected 40 Time: 4.99.
Combine 40 Time: Did not run.
Benchx225:
Height to Weight: 3.86 (ru)


John Greco, Toledo
Height: 6-5. Weight: 305.
Projected 40 Time: 5.20.
Combine 40 Time: 5.31.
Benchx225: 30.
Height to Weight: 3.96


Oniel Cousins, UTEP
Height: 6-4. Weight: 308.
Projected 40 Time: 4.96.
Combine 40 Time: 5.11.
Arm: 34 7/8. Benchx225: 23
Height to Weight: 4.05


Jeremy Zuttah, Rutgers
Height: 6-3. Weight: 303.
Projected 40 Time: 5.06.
Combine 40 Time: 4.99.
Benchx225: 35.
Height to Weight: 4.04
10 yd Split Time: 1.85


Kirk Barton, Ohio State
Height: 6-4. Weight: 310.
Projected 40 Time: 5.08.
Combine 40 Time: Did not run.
Arm: 33 1/4. Benchx225: 34.
Height to Weight: 4.07



Bobby Byrd, Washington State
Height: 6-7. Weight: 315.
40 Time: 5.29.
Height to Weight: 3.98


Corey Clark, Texas A&M
Height: 6-6. Weight: 317.
Projected 40 Time: 5.07.
Combine 40 Time: 5.41.
Benchx225: 25.
Height to Weight: 4.06


Tyler Polumbus, Colorado
Height: 6-7. Weight: 312.
Projected 40 Time: 5.15.
Combine 40 Time: 5.33.
Arms: 32 4/8. Benchx225: 24.
Height to Weight: 3.95 (ru)


Charles Manu, Nevada
Height: 6-3. Weight: 300.
40 Time: 5.18.
Height to Weight: 4.0


David Hale, Weber State
Height: 6-6. Weight: 308.
Projected 40 Time: 5.19.
Combine 40 Time: 5.27.
Benchx225: 25.
Height to Weight: 3.95 (ru)


Guards

Branden Albert, Virginia
Height: 6-5. Weight: 309.
Projected 40 Time: 5.19.
Combine 40 Time: 5.17.
Benchx225:
Height to Weight: 4.01
10 yd Split Time: 1.71


Roy Schuening, Oregon State
Height: 6-3. Weight: 306.
Projected 40 Time: 5.25.
Combine 40 Time: 5.34.
Arm: 32 7/8. Benchx225: 26
Height to Weight: 4.08
10 yd Split Time: 1.91


Drew Radovich, USC
Height: 6-4. Weight: 301.
Projected 40 Time: 5.09.
Combine 40 Time: 5.21.
Arm: 33 1/2. Benchx225
Height to Weight: 3.96


Mike McGlynn, Pittsburgh
Height: 6-4. Weight: 309.
Projected 40 Time: 5.28.
Combine 40 Time: 5.36.
Arm: 32 7/8. Benchx225: 29
Height to Weight: 4.06


Eric Young, Tennessee
Height: 6-3. Weight: 310.
Projected 40 Time: 5.08.
Combine 40 Time: 5.03.
Benchx225:
Height to Weight: 4.13


Shannon Tevaga, UCLA
Height: 6-3. Weight: 316.
40 Time: 5.28
Height to Weight: 4.21


Chad Rinehart, Northern Iowa
Height: 6-5. Weight: 317.
Projected 40 Time: 5.08.
Combine 40 Time: 5.41.
Arm: 33 1/8. Benchx225:
Height to Weight: 4.11


Robert Felton, Arkansas
Height: 6-3. Weight: 315.
Projected 40 Time: 5.38.
Combine 40 Time: 5.46.
Arm: 34. Benchx225: 22
Height to Weight: 4.20


Donald Thomas, Connecticut
Height: 6-3. Weight: 303.
Projected 40 Time: 4.88.
Combine 40 Time: 5.00.
Benchx225: 28
Height to Weight: 4.04
10 yd Split Time: 1.78


Kirk Elder, Texas A&M
Height: 6-5. Weight: 305.
40 Time: 5.15
Height to Weight: 3.96


Brandon Rodd, Arizona State
Height: 6-4. Weight: 303.
40 Time: 5.19
Height to Weight: 3.98

Tad Miller, Boise State
Height: 6-4. Weight: 304.
40 Time: 5.20
Height to Weight: 4.0


Leon Hart, Auburn
Height: 6-4. Weight: 301.
40 Time: 5.00.
Height to Weight: 3.96


Kerry Brown, Appalachian State
Height: 6-6. Weight: 310.
40 Time: 5.16
Height to Weight: 3.97


Mike Gibson, California
Height: 6-4. Weight: 310.
40 Time: 5.17
Height to Weight: 4.07


Shawn Murphy, Utah State
Height: 6-4. Weight: 305.
Projected 40 Time: 4.99.
Combine 40 Time: 5.32.
Benchx225: 29
Height to Weight: 4.01


James Blair, Western Michigan
Height: 6-4. Weight: 337.
Projected 40 Time: 5.41.
Combine 40 Time: 5.33.
Benchx225
Height to Weight: 4.43 (Only on here b/c we spoke to him at combine)


Robert Gustavis, Arizona State
Height: 6-3. Weight: 303.
40 Time: 5.32
Height to Weight: 4.04


Edwin Harrison, Colorado
Height: 6-4. Weight: 300.
40 Time: 5.33
Height to Weight: 3.94


Michael Galassi, Walsh
Height: 6-4. Weight: 305.
40 Time: 5.19
Height to Weight: 4.01

Centers

Mike Pollak, Arizona State
Height: 6-3. Weight: 299.
Projected 40 Time: 4.92. Combine 40 Time: 4.98.
Arm: 31 1/2. Benchx225
Height to Weight: 3.98


Steve Justice, Wake Forest
Height: 6-3. Weight: 293.
Projected Projected 40 Time: 5.06. Combine 40 Time: 5.22.
Arm: 31 1/2. Benchx225
Height to Weight: 3.90


John Sullivan, Notre Dame
Height: 6-3. Weight: 301.
Projected 40 Time: 5.05. Combine 40 Time: 5.40.
Arm: 31 1/8. Benchx225: 21
Height to Weight: 4.01
10 yd Split Time: 1.93


Doug Legursky, Marshall
Height: 6-3. Weight: 311.
40 Time: 5.22
Height to Weight: 4.14


Cody Wallace, Texas A&M
Height: 6-4. Weight: 296.
Projected 40 Time: 5.22. Combine 40 Time: 5.27.
Arm: 33 3/8. Benchx225: 26
Height to Weight: 3.89
10 yd Split Time: 1.84


Jamey Richard, Buffalo
Height: 6-4. Weight: 301.
Projected 40 Time: 5.22. Combine 40 Time: 5.22.
Benchx225
Height to Weight: 3.96


Kory Lichtensteiger, Bowling Green
Height: 6-2. Weight: 298.
Projected 40 Time: 5.16. Combine 40 Time: 5.19.
Arm: 30 7/8. Benchx225
Height to Weight: 4.02


Robbie Powell, Purdue
Height: 6-5. Weight: 307.
40 Time: 5.08
Height to Weight: 3.98


Matt Spanos, USC
Height: 6-5. Weight: 305.
Projected 40 Time: 5.17. Combine 40 Time: 5.50.
Benchx225
Height to Weight: 3.96
10 yd Split Time: 2.00


Robbie Krutilla, Western Michigan
Height: 6-3. Weight: 308.
40 Time: 5.26
Height to Weight: 4.10


Adam Spieker, Missouri
Height: 6-3. Weight: 305.
40 Time: 5.14
Height to Weight: 4.06


Marcus Coleman, Wisconsin
Height: 6-6. Weight: 302.
40 Time: 5.14
Height to Weight: 3.87


Juan Garica, Washington
Height: 6-3. Weight: 315.
40 Time: 5.11.
Height to Weight: 4.20


Nick Allotta, Colorado State
Height: 6-3. Weight: 305.
40 Time: 5.22
Height to Weight: 4.06


Chris Yoder, Texas A&M
Height: 6-3. Weight: 299.
40 Time: 5.14
Height to Weight: 3.98


In case anyone was curious Smiley’s height to weight is 4.14, Maurice Williams; a guy we have apparently targeted in FA works out to be 4.09. Jason Fabini works out to be 3.91. Obviously the numbers are an approximation and will not be used as the sole source of drafting a guy over another, but it still has some merit. What the evidence shows me at least is that we want guys who are not too big to be mobile and active. Yet, they have to be strong enough to get the job done.

If anyone is curious as to how the other guys who are actually on the roster stack up:
Samson Satele: 6’3†300lbs - Height to Weight: 4.0

Gene Mruczkowski: 6’2†305lbs – Height to Weight: 4.12

Ikechuku Ndukwe: 6’4†338lbs – Height to Weight: 4.44

Drew Mormino: 6’4†301lbs – Height to Weight: 3.96

Trey Darilek: 6’5†310lbs – Height to Weight: 4.02

Julius Wilson 6’4†327lbs – Height to Weight: 4.30

Vernon Carey 6’5†335lbs – Height to Weight: 4.35


As you can see the only guy who starts whose Height to Weight is high is Vernon Carey.

Now, in my opinion there are a few guys I personally would like us to consider:
Anthony Collins, Jake Long, Ryan Clady, Chris Williams, Jeremy Zuttah, Oniel Cousins, John Greco, Brandon Albert, Roy Schuening, Brandon Rodd, Donald Thomas, Chad Rinehart, Mike McGlynn, Robert Felton, Mike Pollak, Shannon Tevaga and Steve Justice.

I hope this numerical information and breakdown will help those of you interested, all the rest I hope I have not you blind in the process of reading this. I do realize some of the names on here go a bit outside of a normal parameter in my mind on the Height to Weight Index, but in my mind they are deserving players who should be considered on skill, and the ole eye ball test as well.

 

[Conuficus]

Celtkin, is this just revenge for the earlier work.

This is just cruel.

 

[SgtPhin]

Very informative and well researched post. Gives a good perspective on the types of OL that our OC and OL Coach are looking for. Thanks for the hard work.

 

[Celtkin]

Celtkin, is this just revenge for the earlier work.

This is just cruel.

No, I am guessing that you have a little to more to learn about posting :hi5:. I'll fix it.

 

[afishfan]

Very informative and well researched post. Gives a good perspective on the types of OL that our OC and OL Coach are looking for. Thanks for the hard work.

I'm glad you posted and not to be a dick but....does it really mean anything? Aren't most guy generally going to be at least 6'3"- 6'6" and 300 -330 lbs??? I mean does it really mean much that the average lineman had a ratio that is around 4? one guy could be 300 lbs but 15% fat or that same guy only 10% bodyfat is 15 lbs lighter which is a difference generally of .2 in your ratio. It just really doesnt make sense....so we might target 40 lineman? well no ****...lol

I bet anything that the DBs that Parcells likes are a ratio of 2.77....but....I bet that same ratio applies to hmmmm just about EVERY team in the NFL bro.

I appreciate the post for sure and the time....but is there some insight? Or a true insight into a few guys we could target? In fact the one guy you point out we talked to is heavy which contradicts the post.

Good news, It seems perhaps our lineman will be in shape....but I think Parcells like of BIG men...means we also like guys that are physically imposing....

I think the thing here is perhaps a guy that weighed 330 under the previous regime might weigh 315 and be stronger under Parcells. But this SHOULD be the idea ANYWAYS. Bigger, Stronger, Faster.....hence an athlete. since football is a sport otherwise known as athletics... I certainly hope our guys are the best athletes we can get!!!!

 

[Roman529]

I am not sure what Maser's past draft picks with Jacksonville/Carolina has to do with this year's draft by the Dolphins??? Every year is different in terms of who is available.

 

[Lenny]

That's an awful lot of work and research that doesn't really mean anything. If Maser was allowed to make the draft picks then this would be pertinent information....but he's not making the picks.

Parcells and/or Ireland are making the picks, so if you want insight into what they're going to do you have to look at their track records.

 

[jvw]

I think Parcells likes his lineman to be big but they have to be able to run in space. His offense pulls the guards and tackles a lot. They are big 303-317 but not huge,330-350 they are guys who can run around end i think thats what your numbers show. Great research good post.

 

[PALMA]

I think Parcells likes his lineman to be big but they have to be able to run in space. His offense pulls the guards and tackles a lot. They are big 303-317 but not huge,330-350 they are guys who can run around end i think thats what your numbers show. Great research good post.

Completely true, this post shows good data to support Parcells/Ireland's philosophy on offensive linemen. I believe Randy and Cam also had similar philosophies and it showed in last years draft - a priority on nimble, athletic linemen. This could bode well for the team if Mormino pans out.

One thing to point out is Rex Hadnot. According to ESPN his height is 6-2 and weight 325lbs. His weight to height ratio is:

(325 lbs) / 74 inches = 4.39 lbs/in

This is clear indication as to why he was not resigned, a poor fit.

 

[finfan54]

I look at the history and notice it is different every year and diff players yadda yadda yadda... This year we pick first. This year its loaded with good tackles and some sleepers probably could be had in round 5 or 6 (trade down).

That makes it is easier to project us getting OL based on need (demand) and supply. I think its safe to say we will get Linemen who are bigger like BP/Sparano like who can move. Jake Long is certainly on the radar bigtime.

 

[chewski]

whatever, with the first pick we select Jake long, not because his ht wt ratio divided by pi is good but because hes a great lt who will be there for years to come, because michigan had a small back that ran 70% of the time behind him, because hes better than the top OTs taken in the past few years, because carey was a good rt and can be moved back, and its the biggest area we did not address so far in free agency and there is noone worth it left. Mark my words, if we do not trade down, Jake Long will be the first pick overall!

 

[Conuficus]

Some of you guys are really missing the point of this post. It is unfortunate but basically a O-line coach will take guys who fall into a certain set of criteria to fit his system. I just went through and found the average and mean of those numbers and gave it to you. It is a numerical analysis of a tendency nothing more, some will truly appreciate it, others won't.

 

[Conuficus]

That's an awful lot of work and research that doesn't really mean anything. If Maser was allowed to make the draft picks then this would be pertinent information....but he's not making the picks.

Parcells and/or Ireland are making the picks, so if you want insight into what they're going to do you have to look at their track records.

Yes, I'm sure they don't ever ask him at all.

That is why you hire him, for his opinion too. And yes, no coach has absolute say in who is drafted. But, if you think a GM or whoever is in charge of the draft picks players w/o deep perspective from his position coach you are woefully mistaken.

And, if you think it means nothing then I'll wait until the draft and see who select and put it into the numbers...........think we might find a trend?

 

[Shula Fan]

Numbers, numbers, numbers. I prefer to rely on what I see on the field. I understand the premise of the breakdown and appreciate it. People tend to pick what they prefer. All things being equal...I'll take the better player on the field.

And people...PLEASE stop saying "Parcells" likes... He selected people he thought could run a football team. Everyone on this board acts like he is the GM and Head Coach already. I'm not ignorant to think he wont have SOME input, but I would bet if the real GM and real Coach wanted someone else, it would happen.

Respectfully

 

[FinaticalOne]

You left out one really good OT prospect.

Carl Nicks of Nebraska. I have him projected late first, early 2nd round pick. He's my pick as our #2a pick from my 2/20/08 mock listed below.