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Matt flynn vs RGIII

No offense to the OP, but that article is dumb. You cannot compare a pro QB to a college QB. you can compare them based on how they both performed in college, and based on that RGIII blows Flynn away.

You are right, you cannot compare the two. Matt Flynn played for and won a National Championship at LSU. And LSU plays in the SEC, which is easily the toughest conference in college football.

Baylor on the other hand, is in the Big 12 Conference (which only has 10 teams...)

This is like comparing a high school conference of 3-A teams with a conference of 4-A teams.

The SEC has won 35 National Championships in football including 7 since 2003.

Considering that Texas A&M is leaving for the SEC, that leaves the "Big 12" with ZERO National Championships in football.
 
You are right, you cannot compare the two. Matt Flynn played for and won a National Championship at LSU. And LSU plays in the SEC, which is easily the toughest conference in college football.

Baylor on the other hand, is in the Big 12 Conference (which only has 10 teams...)

This is like comparing a high school conference of 3-A teams with a conference of 4-A teams.

The SEC has won 35 National Championships in football including 7 since 2003.

Considering that Texas A&M is leaving for the SEC, that leaves the "Big 12" with ZERO National Championships in football.

With all due respect sir, based on what they did in college, one player was a 7th round pick and the other will be a top 5 pick.....that tells me all I need to know about how they performed in college.

TBH, i don't follow college ball, but I do get that the SEC is a tougher confrence than whatever conference Baylor is in.
 
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You take Flynn. Not only do you preserve picks but you also know that you still have Matt Moore who has shown he can lead this team to wins. Like the article states, why risk your stagnating your team's talent pool by dropping picks for a player when you could get similar value from (in all likelihood) a free agent.
 
Flynn's LSU championship team ran the ball like 70% of the time. He couldn't beat out Jamarcus Russell for the starting spot, and he wasn't a fan favorite.

I was NOT impressed with his Detroit game where he threw a couple high arcing slow passes for deep completions that could easily be picked off once teams get some tape on him and see his play style and game plan for it. Also, some of his other TD's were just dumpoff passes that WR's and RB's took to the house. He really didn't look that impressive to me. I don't think he is an upgrade over Moore but i wouldn't mind if the fins picked him up for competition to push Moore. Also, they should still draft another potential franchise QB even if they do pickup Flynn. I would like them to try and get Tannehill, Weeden, or Wilson in the second round.
 
Either sign Flynn for a ridiculous amount, lose out on other big name free agents, and draft a bunch of players, or trade up for RGIII, risk the farm, and have the cap space to sign more big name players.

We may not get RGIII for cheap pick wise, but we aren't getting Flynn for cheap either salary wise. Neither will come cheap.
 
No offense to the OP, but that article is dumb. You cannot compare a pro QB to a college QB. you can compare them based on how they both performed in college, and based on that RGIII blows Flynn away.

There's a reason that Flynn was taken so late -- the sixth or seventh round -- and Griffin is projected to go in the very top of the first round. Griffin is the much better pro prospect.

That said, I think the way to evaluate the two is based on risk. Flynn would only cost Miami $$$ if he's a bust. That's hardly any risk. Trading up for Griffin and having him bust would probably cost Miami big time for 5-10 years. That's a big risk.

When the Bills traded up for Losman in 2004, he cost them a 2005 first, a 2004 second, and a 2004 fifth in outright draft picks. Those were players they never had a crack at, including Matt Schaub who went in the 3rd round of the same draft. Moreover, having Losman and attempting to develop him meant that the Bills didn't even look at better QBs who came along in later drafts: Aaron Rodgers in 2005 and Jay Cutler in 2006. They also weren't interested in the best FA QB ever: Drew Brees. Finally, in order to give Losman every opportunity to develop, they released Drew Bledsoe whom they gave up a #1 for in 2002 and who went on to have a couple of good seasons with Dallas before he retired. The Bills are still paying for the Losman pick.

The happy thought is that the Jests are probably going to find out the high cost of trading up to take a first round QB bust, too. Sanchez has "bust" written all over him since virtually all his problems stem from the fact that he can't read defenses because he doesn't process what he's seeing on the field very well despite having more than 50 starts.
 
No offense to the OP, but that article is dumb. You cannot compare a pro QB to a college QB. you can compare them based on how they both performed in college, and based on that RGIII blows Flynn away.

The article is not dumb, you are just too lazy to think. It talks about facts and they are:
1- Cost to move up for RGIII vs just sign Flynn and keep the picks
2- Arm strength
3- Athleticism
4- Accuracy
5- experience

Your other post about Flynn being a 7th rounder and RGIII being a top 5 pick is comical. Brady was a 6th round pick, Romo was undrafted and Matthew Schaub was a 3d or a 4th round pick , joe montana was a 3rd round pick.

I also would like to remind you that Tim Couch was a top 5 pick, so as Ryan Leaf , Akili Smith.

Where the QB is drafted has nothing to do with how good or bad he is going to be.
 
There's a reason that Flynn was taken so late -- the sixth or seventh round -- and Griffin is projected to go in the very top of the first round. Griffin is the much better pro prospect.

That said, I think the way to evaluate the two is based on risk. Flynn would only cost Miami $$$ if he's a bust. That's hardly any risk. Trading up for Griffin and having him bust would probably cost Miami big time for 5-10 years. That's a big risk.

When the Bills traded up for Losman in 2004, he cost them a 2005 first, a 2004 second, and a 2004 fifth in outright draft picks. Those were players they never had a crack at, including Matt Schaub who went in the 3rd round of the same draft. Moreover, having Losman and attempting to develop him meant that the Bills didn't even look at better QBs who came along in later drafts: Aaron Rodgers in 2005 and Jay Cutler in 2006. They also weren't interested in the best FA QB ever: Drew Brees. Finally, in order to give Losman every opportunity to develop, they released Drew Bledsoe whom they gave up a #1 for in 2002 and who went on to have a couple of good seasons with Dallas before he retired. The Bills are still paying for the Losman pick.

The happy thought is that the Jests are probably going to find out the high cost of trading up to take a first round QB bust, too. Sanchez has "bust" written all over him since virtually all his problems stem from the fact that he can't read defenses because he doesn't process what he's seeing on the field very well despite having more than 50 starts.

thats the one thing i like about the matt flynn thing is like you said, miami would have to give up most of their draft picks, therefore, if hes a bust it would really hurt miamis future. Whereas if flynn is a bust not nearly as much. So the risk factor is much greater for griffin, whereas, the risk is less for flynn, yet at the same time, the reward is pretty good. For Griffin its high reward, high risk, whereas high reward less risk for flynn and add in the fact of philbin having worked with flynn and the system and a decent chance of getting the best out of flynn
 
The article is not dumb, you are just too lazy to think. It talks about facts and they are:
1- Cost to move up for RGIII vs just sign Flynn and keep the picks
2- Arm strength
3- Athleticism
4- Accuracy
5- experience

Your other post about Flynn being a 7th rounder and RGIII being a top 5 pick is comical. Brady was a 6th round pick, Romo was undrafted and Matthew Schaub was a 3d or a 4th round pick , joe montana was a 3rd round pick.

I also would like to remind you that Tim Couch was a top 5 pick, so as Ryan Leaf , Akili Smith.

Where the QB is drafted has nothing to do with how good or bad he is going to be.

Yeah some qbs might develop and hone their talents later in the nfl and why you see the later draft picks as you stated become good or great qbs. And don't forget, matt hasselbeck was a 6th round draft pick and was a back up and got to develop in green bay and watch under a great qb with favre kinda like flynn for rodgers (green bay must do welll at developing their qbs), but anyway, something must not have stood out inititially in college for matt hasselbeck to be drafted as a 6th round pick. But While he wasn't a great, hall of fame like qb, he was pretty darn good and i don't know about you but I'd be thrilled if flynn was anything like a young hasselbeck when the seahawks were contenders through the years and went to the superbowl and kinda got robbed by the refs in that one
 
The article is not dumb, you are just too lazy to think. It talks about facts and they are:
1- Cost to move up for RGIII vs just sign Flynn and keep the picks
2- Arm strength
3- Athleticism
4- Accuracy
5- experience

Your other post about Flynn being a 7th rounder and RGIII being a top 5 pick is comical. Brady was a 6th round pick, Romo was undrafted and Matthew Schaub was a 3d or a 4th round pick , joe montana was a 3rd round pick.

I also would like to remind you that Tim Couch was a top 5 pick, so as Ryan Leaf , Akili Smith.

Where the QB is drafted has nothing to do with how good or bad he is going to be.

Sorry I got your panties in a bunch.....No one knows how RGIII will fare in the NFL and no one knows how Flynn will perform as a regular NFL starter. You can compare, evaluate and rationalize all you want. now go put on a fresh pad and STFU!
 
The question for me is, how many holes does this team feel they need to fill, and how many Free Agents can you bring in to fill those needs. for me, I want a new FS, OLB, #2 WR, TE, RT/RG,.

Plenty of teams have their holes, but if you are able to fill in a few holes, it helps "mask" the other holes in this team.
 
Sorry I got your panties in a bunch.....No one knows how RGIII will fare in the NFL and no one knows how Flynn will perform as a regular NFL starter. You can compare, evaluate and rationalize all you want. now go put on a fresh pad and STFU!

The only one who needs to stfu is you dick head... I usually don't like calling people out.. but could not help but point out how dumb and stupid you are...

Geez get of RGIII dick already
 
I would be fine with flynn and moore signing an extension for 3 more years
 
Its a win now league.......Jeff Ireland knows this....Peyton Manning (if healthy) is our guy.
 
With all due respect sir, based on what they did in college, one player was a 7th round pick and the other will be a top 5 pick.....that tells me all I need to know about how they performed in college.

TBH, i don't follow college ball, but I do get that the SEC is a tougher confrence than whatever conference Baylor is in.


So you do not consider someone taking his team to a National Championship in a conference that has had the National Championship in 7 of the last 9 years important? Maybe you should start watching some "college" football.

Jamarcus Russell was the 1st pick in the draft and Tom Brady was taken in the 6th round.

QB Andre Ware was a Heisman winner and was taken 7th in the 1st round.

QB Matt Leinart was a Heisman winner and was taken 10th in the 1st round.

All that glitters is not gold.
 
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