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Matt Moore admits he's not a good practice player

Sirspud said:
Except Moore was the top NFL passer in preseason last year and had a very solid season. Even Sparano said about him that he wasn't a good practice player.

Please note that he never said he didn't care about practice.
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I don't think that's accurate. I don't remember Moore being great in preseason last year.
 
When you're installing a new offense you HAVE to be a good practice player. If you're not then you're useless.
 
Sirspud said:
Then have your memory checked. Most people were too dazzled by Henne's FG drives.
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My memory is fine. He didn't do anything great and played against backups and third stringers.
 
Memo to Matt Moore.

Time for you to bring your A game to practice. Your humble manner may be honest, but you now have 2 serious competitors who both want to be #1 QB on the team and you know it. Lots of us are rooting for you to do well but excuses like this don't fly. Bring your A game and delete the pathetic excuses.
 
Matt, Matt, Matt. Geesh. Really? If you're a good practice player, bad practice player...whatever. The only thing the coaches have to go on when making their choice as to who the starting QB should be for Week 1 is by...A) what you do in practice and B) what you do in your limited time in the pre-season. What you or Garrard did in the past is absolutly irrelevant to this year. It's a whole new coaching staff, a whole new offense. They are going to evaluate what you've done THIS offseason and select their starter based upon that. Period. You want to be the starter? Step up your game son.
 
Sirspud said:
Then have your memory checked. Most people were too dazzled by Henne's FG drives.
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Whether Moore was "great" in preseason or not is a matter of subjective opinion, but your objective claim that Moore was "the top NFL passer in preseason" is not true by any measure. Stephen McGee had the most yards at 610 to Moore's 428. A total of 15 quarterbacks (all of whom had at least 17 pass attempts, 11 of whom had at least 31 pass attempts) had higher passer ratings than Matt Moore's 96.6. A total of 7 quarterbacks threw more touchdowns than Moore, and an additional 7 quarterbacks threw just as many (3 TDs). Among passers with 30+ attempts, 25 of them had a better completion percentage (61.8%).

So no, he wasn't "the top NFL passer in preseason"...though you could certainly argue that he was a good preseason passer. Chad Henne had a 93.4 passer rating, by the way...not far behind Moore's 96.6.
 
ckparrothead said:
Care to explain how it was an "unwarranted cheap-shot"?

He essentially just said the exact same thing Iverson did in the infamous "we talkin' 'bout practice" rant.
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Oh... lets count the ways...

a.) Iverson's rant was in response to his HEAD COACH's direct criticism that he didn't practice hard enough. Who, among the Dolphins coaching staff has EVER been quoted saying Matt Moore didn't practice hard enough? Do you have quotes of people questioning Moore's effort? Actually, I've heard Joe Philbin, Mike Sherman, Tony Sparano, and others CONSISTENTLY praise Matt Moore for his hard work and preparation... this year and last. Unlike Iverson... Moore's practice EFFORT has never been questioned, that I'm aware of.

b.) Iverson's rant was just that.... a rant. Multiple statements. On and on and on.... not one line in at end of story where Moore already admitted poor practice PERFORMANCE (not effort), and described how he's been trying to improve it year to year (wow, direct EFFORT to improve... not ridiculing the idea practice is important)... and he actually states that he'd like to think game performance matters MOST. Not that practice isn't important - which is what Iverson's rant does IMO... but that game performance should matter MOST.

For clarity's sake... here's what your calling equivalent:

IVERSON:

“We're sitting here, and I'm supposed to be the franchise player, and we're talking about practice.”

“I mean listen, we're sitting here talking about practice, not a game, not a game, not a game, but we're talking about practice.”

“Not the game that I go out there and die for and play every game like it's my last, but we're talking about practice man.”

“How silly is that?”

“Now I know that I'm supposed to lead by example and all that, but I'm not shoving that aside like it don't mean anything.

“We're talking about practice man.”

"We're talking about practice.”

“We're talking about practice.”

“We're not talking about the game.”

“We're talking about practice.”

“When you come to the arena, and you see me play, you've seen me play right, you've seen me give everything I've got, but we're talking about practice right now.”

“Hey I hear you, it's funny to me too, hey it's strange to me too, but we're talking about practice man, we're not even talking about the game, when it actually matters, we're talking about practice.”


MOORE:

One reason Moore is even with Garrard, or perhaps slightly behind, is because Moore admittedly isn’t the best practice player. He has a career 80.1 passer rating and 13-12 record as a starter with Miami and Carolina, but seems to play better on Sundays than during the week.

“There is a little truth to that,” Moore said. “I’ve been trying to get better year by year in practice, but does it really matter what I do in practice? I’d like to think that what happens in games matters most.”


c.) Calling someone "Iverson-like"... brings in a lot of baggage that isn't, and shouldn't ever, be associated with Moore.

Here's just "some" of that baggage:

During the 1997 offseason, Iverson and his friends were stopped by policemen for speeding late at night and was arrested for carrying a concealed weapon and for possession of marijuana. He pleaded no contest and was sentenced to community service.

On February 24, 2004, Iverson urinated in a trash can at Bally's Atlantic City casino and was told by casino management not to return.

On December 9, 2005 after the Sixers defeated the Charlotte Bobcats, Iverson paid a late-night visit to the Trump Taj Mahal. After winning a hand at a three-card-stud poker table, Iverson was overpaid $10,000 in chips by a dealer. When the dealer quickly realized the mistake and requested the chips back, Iverson refused and a heated head-turning argument between him and casino staff began. Atlantic City casino regulations reportedly state that when a casino makes a payout mistake in favor of the gambler, he or she must return the money that they did not legitimately win by playing.

Also in 2005, Iverson's bodyguard Jason Kane was accused of assaulting a man at a Washington DC nightclub after the man, Marlin Godfrey, refused to leave the club's VIP section so Iverson's entourage could enter. Godfrey suffered a concussion, a ruptured eardrum, a burst blood vessel in his eye, a torn rotator cuff, cuts and bruises, and emotional injuries. Although Iverson did not touch Godfrey himself, Godfrey sued Iverson for the injuries caused by his bodyguard. In 2007 a jury awarded Godfrey $260,000. The United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit upheld the verdict in 2009.

Once after a fight with his wife (she left their house to get away) Iverson used his speed to rack up 14 law offenses as he searched for her with his gun. Although, he was accused of 12 felonies, the testimony in court did not hold up and Iverson was set free.

In a Philadelphia Inquirer column published March 7, 2010, Stephen A. Smith wrote that according to "numerous NBA sources", Iverson would "either drink himself into oblivion or gamble his life away", and that Iverson had already been banned from casinos in Detroit and Atlantic City. Smith also wrote that Tawanna, his wife of eight years, had separated from him and filed for divorce, seeking custody of their five children, as well as child support and alimony payments.

In November 2010, Kate ***an, a 76ers beat writer for the Inquirer reported that Iverson was "broke" and heavily in debt, "by all accounts except his own", and that a member of Iverson's family had previously contacted NBA teams about a contract for him, as he would not be able to pay that person without a contract.

In August 2011, an Ohio man sued Iverson for $2.5 million in damages, claiming he was assaulted by Iverson's security guard in a 2009 bar fight in Detroit. The federal judge dismissed the case, finding no evidence that Iverson or his bodyguard struck the plaintiff, Guy Walker.


To my knowledge... Matt Moore has never even received a speeding ticket.

Now I understand your comparison was in reference just to the comments about practice (which is unfair enough IMO - as I explained above) - relying on the context of the discussion, but when you make the comparison by calling someone "Iverson-like" - you're evoking and inviting all that entails in others minds... or at least expressing ambivalence whether others associate ALL the attributes calling someone "Iverson-like" evokes.

Anyway... Just my opinion. Doesn't count anymore than yours or anyone elses... but I found the comment to be just what I called it: an unwarranted cheap shot. :)


Now that I have your attention (perhaps) though.... I would like at least a yes or no (your time permitting) on the question I posed to you in other threads the last two days.

I believe the threads are here:

http://www.finheaven.com/forums/sho...ing-signed-yet-but-Egnew-and-Vernon-!!!/page4

http://www.finheaven.com/forums/showthread.php?321973-ESPN-s-Dolphins-Camp-Watch/page2

And here is a short synopsis of my question:

Regarding your characterization of other posters repeating an assertion I've read in several mainstream media reports (that Dolphins "cap guru" Dawn Aponte, is insisting on offset language in Ryan Tannehills rookie contract)... you stated that to do so, was "just another way to avoid blaming Jeff Ireland for anything bad."

I asked if (hypothetically) someone tweeted out the complete rank speculation that Joe Philbin was desperate to sign Matt Flynn this off season, BUT that Jeff Ireland had intentionally "sabotaged" the contract talks/offer... as if it were a bald fact... <--- a conspiracy theory directly contradicted by Steve Ross in easily referenced quotes. Would that be the opposite of your characterization? <-- Namely, seeking to assign blame to Jeff Ireland, where's its unclear any exists... and what evidence does exist - directly contradicts assigning that blame?
 
ckparrothead said:
That was not a smart thing to say. Allen Iverson-like.
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If he doesn't think it's important then it's a pretty sure thing that not much improvement will happen there. Not a good thing. He doesn't seem like he is so talented that he shouldn't be trying to get the maximum out of practice for his sake and for the sake of his teammates practicing with him.
 
Where and when did this whole "bad practice" thing start anyways? We didnt start to hear this until this offseason, correct me if I am wrong.

Does a bad practice mean he isnt trying?
Does it mean he isnt hitting his receivers?

What does it mean in any real terms? If you make mistakes in practice, thats when your suppose to make them! Thats why its practice!

just sayin...
 
rob19 said:
"I write's novels likes I sees'em"
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Son, if you think that's a novel... I think we can rule out "writer" on your career ambition list. lol Either that, or prepare yourself (and your home office filing cabinets) for a mountain of publisher rejection letters. Heck... what do you call a Stephen King novel? An encyclopedia set? lol

In any case... when I'm specifically asked for input by another poster.... I don't "half @ss" it. Sorry if that doesn't fit with the newer generations ways of operation.

I'd recommend you don't read it, if it's too lengthy for your tastes... and wasn't in response to anything you wrote or inquired about. But then you wouldn't be able to make what apparently passes for witty repartee these days, about it - would you? To each his own.
 
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