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Voted no, hoping with an off season under his belt plus last years experience he will playat a higher level than last year
Matt Moore
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I look at Tannehill as a guy who could develop into .....Matt Moore. Losers are losers and Tannehill's body of work suggests that when the chips are down, so is his performance. Matt Moore can fail in the 4th quarter too, we don't need 4th quarter failures. Isn't poise an 'intangible'? Did Dan Marino have more poise in year 17 than he did in year 2? Not that I saw. Remember that home game against the Jets in 1999? I was there. I was still seeing the mighty Dan Marino (Who is still my favorite QB ever yadda yadda) throwing it up for grabs late in that game. Then there was the Thanksgiving game. My point is just that players are gonna do what players are gonna do. Tannehill looks like a choker, and we already have that guy. Outside of Luck, I don't see any QBS in this year's crop worth drafting very early. None. I feel better about Kirk Cousins in the early 3rd round than Tannehill at any point in the draft.
Matt Moore is the perfect example of a good athlete at QB. Tannehill would be no different. You're either gonna get a real QB who 'gets it' or you're not, and that guy's going #1 overall. The others are all just 'maybe's and should be drafted accordingly.
Matt Moore is the perfect example of a good athlete at QB. Tannehill would be no different. You're either gonna get a real QB who 'gets it' or you're not, and that guy's going #1 overall. The others are all just 'maybe's and should be drafted accordingly.
Sherif
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Moore's not a top 15 QB. Look at his career history. Bouncing from team to team and having sub par performances (look at the 2nd half of Thanksgiving day game:confused:. I think the Dolphins win 4-5 games next year. They're irrelevent.
Kinzua
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The great Dan Marino only got the Fins to 1 SB and 0 wins in his long, distinguished career. I think that Bob Griese got the Fins to 2 or 3, including at least 1 win IIRC in a shorter career. Griese was a good QB but he wasn't in the same league as Marino.
Peyton Manning is probably the greatest QB ever, and certainly has been dominant the last 13 years (excluding 2011). He has been to the SB twice IIRC, and he has 1 ring. His younger brother, however, has been there twice and won twice, and he's only been in the league 8 years. We all know who the better QB is, but if we're just counting rings, then Eli is "better".
The moral of this post is that without having a good team around him, no QB "can get a team to a Super Bowl" even if his name is Manning or Brady or Rodgers. Moore looks like he could be a decent starter for the Fins, especially if the team gives him some weapons. Any QB is going to need those anyways. Instead of chasing some mythical "franchise QB" by reaching for the likes of Tannehill at #8, use that pick to take a guy who can help the team now and in the future no matter who's under center. I'm of the opinion that drafting a QB who's a questionable prospect in the first round only makes him more expensive not better.
PS - this is the same reasoning I use for supporting Ryan Fitzpatrick as the Bills QB, too. Fitz and Moore are a lot alike in that they're not first or second rounders, so they must be trash according to "we-need-to-draft-a-QB-in-the-first-round-to-get-to-the-Super-Bowl" crowd. Actually, the Bills (and the Fins) need to build a better team to get to the Super Bowl.:crazy:
Both Fitz and Moore have done more with a whole lot less talent around them than numerous first round QBs have had. Build a better team around them, and one or both might surprise. See one Kurt Warner, UDFA refugee from the Arena Football League, late of the St Louis Rams and the Arizona Cardinals, for how that can work. :up:
Griese went to three super bowls and won two of them during his 14 year hall of fame career.
ryanosaur2000
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I would be more conerned if we start a rookie or Garrard from the get-go.
LarryFinFan
Left So Fla, never the Fins...
Well, MMoore has not bounced from team to team...He was drafted by Carolina (or was he an UFA, I forget) and when his rookie contract expired he was signed as FA by us because Carolina had drafted both Claussen (2nd round) and Newton (1st)...not exactly what you refer to as bouncing from team to team...
Also in his defense, in Carolina, when he got the starting job he was hurt early in the season and really never recovered from that...
At any rate, I don't know that MMoore is going to be a franchise guy, but he's not garbage... or a loser as some have suggested. And you are right, so long as we aren't winning, we are going to be irrelevant...
fishbanger
Phin fan since 1970!
Some of you fans can be loyal to the UDFAs and second tier QBs. I will keep asking for the number one picks like Greise and Marino who have the future potential to get us to the SB. Somehow you all seem to be stuck in the last 12 years of Twilight zone.
If we would have drafted Brees, Dalton or Matt Ryan this thread would not even exist and we would all be talking about being a few players away from the SB.
Get your QB and build around the QB and not back-ass wards.
If we would have drafted Brees, Dalton or Matt Ryan this thread would not even exist and we would all be talking about being a few players away from the SB.
Get your QB and build around the QB and not back-ass wards.
Last 9 games: Ryan 6-3, Dalton 4-5, Moore 6-3
Dalton: 79.4 QBR, 11TD, 6Int
Moore: 98.9 QBR, 15TD, 5 ints
I'd agree with you on Brees and if you'd have included Rodgers. Until Ryan can demonstrate that he won't melt in elimination games, I'll reserve that agreement. But regardless, it's funny you've included Dalton who once the tape was out on him, didn't really fare all that well the 2nd half of the season.
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Moore just needs to make the plays in crunch time, if he does he could be very good. I have seen Garrard make plays with the game on the line. He may surprise. At least we finally have competition at QB.
Kinzua
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Wasn't Griese hurt for one of the Fins' SB appearances? I thought that Earl Morrall played in one of Miami's SBs.
My point still stands, though. Griese wasn't the QB that Marino was, but Griese had much better teams around him than Marino ever had, and that's why he has rings and Marino doesn't.
Kinzua
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The problem with reaching for a QB in the first round is that by having one, a team is largely precluded from drafting another one in the first or second round for several years. You have to see what that QB is like, and with QBs, that generally means giving them 30-40 starts. So, a team gives their first round draft pick the reins and watches him struggle, then bypasses better QB prospects in the draft because they're not sure what they have yet. The Bills took JP Losman at #22 in 2004. They passed on Aaron Rodgers in 2005, Jay Cutler in 2006, and Joe Flacco in 2008. Ouch!
I think it's way too early to declare any of the 2011 rookie QBs hits or misses yet, including Cam Newton and Blaine Gabbert. That's the problem with rookie QBs: a lot of them look good until teams figure them out, and then, some of them don't look very good at all.