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maybe just maybe this coaching staff can figure out how to use this guy he has alot of upside but for whatever reason can't seem to turn the corner.man i remember watching all the video's of this kid on youtube when we drafted him he dominated in college looked like a freak of nature i hope this coaching staff can figure it out would hate to see him go to another team and tear it up???:(
 
Maybe a new coaching staff and players around him can give him the spark he needs. He wasn't terrible last year, so it is not like he has been a bust.
 
Well they had him as a 1st string starter at DE in the 3-4 scheme in the recent OTAs. They must see some potential in him or one of the many other DL pickups this year would have been in his spot. He's definitely got a mean streak and I'd love for him to fulfill his potential. Go Phins.
 
They also tried him out at OLB, which I think is where he may end up in our 3-4. I think it may be a better fit for him, ala Mike Vrabel.
 
Remember he played hurt all last year long, he could reach his potentiel this year......I hope so, because I like his non stop motor attitude.
 
I agree, I think he will be much better this year because he did have a bad groin injury that bothered him all of last season and he said he feels 100% now so I think it will be a breakout year for him.
 
JT and Roth played TERRIBLY last year...

I agree, I think he will be much better this year because he did have a bad groin injury that bothered him all of last season and he said he feels 100% now so I think it will be a breakout year for him.

Actually, those of you that posted that "he wasn't that bad" didn't break down film on him. 5 of the biggest runs given up by the defense were when he was on the field and the play ran RIGHT at him.

He's not STOUT enough at the point of attack and with the inconsistency we experienced at the NT position as well as the DE position by letting our veterans go, ROTH just didn't have enough to hold up his end of the scheme's responsibilities.

And even when he WAS playing well, he would hold up his end for 3 seconds and then over run in persuit one way or another.

Jason Taylor got his sacks last year LATE in games when the contests were pretty much decided. If you break down film of him, he was blocked one on one FAIRLY easily all year long. Once a team comes out and has success blocking JT one on one, they didn't fear blocking ROTH the same way.

Theoretically, JT is SUPPOSED to be so good that he needs to be doubled which would leave Roth man to man and give him sack opportunities. Both JT and ROTH were so impotent as pass rushers that defenses blocked them MAN UP and doubled the tackles instead to create HUGE holes up the middle.

I believe that JT WOULD have been traded a WHILE ago if teams hadn't watched last year's film. I'm telling you, ignore the 11 sacks. Look at the penetration he got in the first quarter of EVERY game he played.... Yep, zero. He made the opposing OC job VERY, VERY easy.

All they had to do was run RIGHT up the middle behind double teams and then play action fake off of that for big gains.

JT should be traded for whatever the heck we can get and ROTH has GOT to be considered a second round BUST at this point. He's trade-bait as well. We need to go ANOTHER direction and that's EXACTLY what Parcell's saw when he broke down the tape. We were COLLAPSING at the point of attack. Which is why he traded for FERGUSON and drafted 2 DE's.

So, don't expect to see much of Roth and JT beyond this year, regardless of what THEY'RE playing plans are. Quite simply, when you pop in the tape... It's not lying. Jason Taylor is DONE. And Matt Roth NEVER WILL BE.

Go Phins!
 
Jason Taylor got his sacks last year LATE in games when the contests were pretty much decided. If you break down film of him, he was blocked one on one FAIRLY easily all year long. Once a team comes out and has success blocking JT one on one, they didn't fear blocking ROTH the same way.

Go Phins!
I think you need to go back and break down film of JT because you obviously were not watching the games he was playing in. Only one of Jason Taylor's sacks came when the contest was pretty much decided and that one came against the Patriots early in the 4th quarter with the score 28-7.

Sack #1. Miami & Washington tied 0-0 in the 2nd quarter.
Sack #2. Miami leads Houston 13-7 in the 2nd quarter.
Sack #3. Miami leads Houston 16-7 in the 2nd quarter.
Sack #4. Miami trails Cleveland 7-3 in the 1st quarter.
Sack #5. Miami leads Buffalo 3-0 in the 2nd quarter.
Sack #6. Miami & Pittsburgh tied 0-0 in the 3rd quarter.
Sack #7. Miami & NY Jets tied 0-0 in the 1st quarter
Sack #8. Miami trails NY Jets 7-3 in the 2nd quarter.
Sack #9. Miami & Baltimore tied 0-0 in the 1st quarter.
Sack #10. Miami trails Baltimore 3-0 in the 1st quarter.
Sack #11. Miami trails NE 28-7 in the 4th quarter.
 
so Taylor only had 2 sacks all year after halftime, NOT GOOD TO SAY THE LEAST, does he wear down or give up,, neither of those options speak very highly of JT, im ready to move on without the Dancing Queen.
 
Would be interesting to see how he fares in the 3-4 at OLB... He is strong does have the nonstop motor but those short arms make it awfully difficult to keep the OL off balance when he is playing DE. I just don't know if he is quick enough to be effective at OLB... he may just fall right in the middle of the two.
 
I think you need to go back and break down film of JT because you obviously were not watching the games he was playing in. Only one of Jason Taylor's sacks came when the contest was pretty much decided and that one came against the Patriots early in the 4th quarter with the score 28-7.

Sack #1. Miami & Washington tied 0-0 in the 2nd quarter.
Sack #2. Miami leads Houston 13-7 in the 2nd quarter.
Sack #3. Miami leads Houston 16-7 in the 2nd quarter.
Sack #4. Miami trails Cleveland 7-3 in the 1st quarter.
Sack #5. Miami leads Buffalo 3-0 in the 2nd quarter.
Sack #6. Miami & Pittsburgh tied 0-0 in the 3rd quarter.
Sack #7. Miami & NY Jets tied 0-0 in the 1st quarter
Sack #8. Miami trails NY Jets 7-3 in the 2nd quarter.
Sack #9. Miami & Baltimore tied 0-0 in the 1st quarter.
Sack #10. Miami trails Baltimore 3-0 in the 1st quarter.
Sack #11. Miami trails NE 28-7 in the 4th quarter.

Ha, Ha you got owned! Making up stats to fit into your argument. This gives you the actual stats and any crediability you may have had!
 
I think Roth is a 43 end, and I can't see him really fitting in this 34 scheme. In our version of the 34, the one Parcells always runs, the 3 linemen are all some variation of DT's with the OLB's being much faster more mobile versions of DE's. Roth doesn't have the speed or lateral agility to play OLB well, and he lacks the frame and arm length to really excel as a lineman in our 34. It's a shame, because when he finally got his chance to shine he was hurt and did poorly, and now he's basically SOL in Miami and may not get a chance to start elsewhere. I'd say his best bet would be to hope someone trades for him, but his contract is likely too fat to make him wanted, and I doubt the new regime is going to release him this year, so he's rapidly becoming a grizzled veteran without getting a chance to start. :(

I'd be surprised if Roth was a regular in our rotation this year and shocked if he was next year, but I'm hoping he surprises me.

-Digital
 
so Taylor only had 2 sacks all year after halftime, NOT GOOD TO SAY THE LEAST, does he wear down or give up,, neither of those options speak very highly of JT, im ready to move on without the Dancing Queen.

So one of you is bashing him for only getting sacks late in the game and the other is bashing him for getting them early. Sounds like haters to me.
 
I think Roth is a 43 end, and I can't see him really fitting in this 34 scheme. In our version of the 34, the one Parcells always runs, the 3 linemen are all some variation of DT's with the OLB's being much faster more mobile versions of DE's. Roth doesn't have the speed or lateral agility to play OLB well, and he lacks the frame and arm length to really excel as a lineman in our 34. It's a shame, because when he finally got his chance to shine he was hurt and did poorly, and now he's basically SOL in Miami and may not get a chance to start elsewhere. I'd say his best bet would be to hope someone trades for him, but his contract is likely too fat to make him wanted, and I doubt the new regime is going to release him this year, so he's rapidly becoming a grizzled veteran without getting a chance to start. :(

I'd be surprised if Roth was a regular in our rotation this year and shocked if he was next year, but I'm hoping he surprises me.

-Digital
We are not running the type of 3-4 defense Parcells is known for running. It's more of the style Wade Phillips ran in Dallas last year. It's more of an attacking style than a read & react style.
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/football/pro/dolphins/sfl-0607roth,0,5969869.story
Roth said each year he's felt more comfortable in the 3-4 scheme the Dolphins have used, but he believes this new coaching staff has helped him accelerate his growth.

"I feel comfortable this is going to be a good year for me," Roth said. "What we're doing is a little different than what we did last year. It's more of an attack style, not just two gapping, so that fits me. It's better suited. I've just got to find ways to use my ability, my tools."
 
roth is a waste, get rid of him, now lets move on. i dont even think he is worth the time in this thread.
 
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