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Man this guy has been playing great at his new linebacker position. He was getting great pressure on the QB tonight and making some nice plays overall. How does everyone else feel about him, can we take the bust title off him?
 
Yea, he and Crowder lined up on the same side equal trouble for QB's..
 
Looks like when you have football minds in charge, you get results. Roth is the perfect example of that!
 
He has looked good out there at LB. I like the way he bull rushed a couple of guys in last weeks game.

Our D looks pretty stout, it is going to be very cool seeing how they rotate all of those guys to confuse other teams.

Can't wait to see #4 running for his hill-billy life...:D
 
Looks like when you have football minds in charge, you get results. Roth is the perfect example of that!

holy moly ted, all the way from japan? i guess the NFl is getting pretty big.
 
Man this guy has been playing great at his new linebacker position. He was getting great pressure on the QB tonight and making some nice plays overall. How does everyone else feel about him, can we take the bust title off him?
I never called him a bust but he was playing great last preseason too. Remember that one handed interception. If he doesn't have any setbacks like he had last year with the groin injury, he may finally be able to contribute more than just taking up space on the DL.
 
Roth looked good tonight and amybe the best I have even seen him. When he rushed he came hard and flattened a few blockers. Looks liek this 3-4 d is going to work if they can play like they did tonight. Again its preseason and it is the Cheifs who were not that good last year. Lets not get to excited yet.
 
I've liked Roth from the beginng and I hope he will be a consistently good to great player for us for the next several years.
 
I only saw the second half but Roth looked good, particularly crashing down on running plays. A couple of times I thought the announcers should have singled him out but did not.

Obviously I hope I'm wrong and we feast at every position. But I'm not backing off that Roth is not ideal at that position. In general I don't like the patchwork trend of massive OLBs in the 3-4. IMO, it's somewhat of a concession to the weakness of the scheme, and leads to vulnerabilities that are magnified against the best opponents. I'll always be a 4-3 guy. Watching Spagnoulo at Giants camp last summer and many replays of the glorious Super Bowl convinced me even more. I don't think it's possible a 3-4 team could have stymied that New England team to that extent in perfect conditions without swirling winds, etc. It took 4 rush men with upfield tenacity at the snap to pull that off.

The 3-4 probably allows more likelihood to become a good defense, partially because it's basically a 25/75 minority, requiring adjustments for teams that don't see if often. The 3-4 does yield fewer big plays. In our office I've seen that in the stats, very clear cut. But IMO if you aspire to a great defense and not merely a passable one that can survive alongside a dominant offense, the 4-3 is the way to go. The more you try to reinvent the game the football gods will chuckle and say not so fast. And 275 pound linebackers are an attempt to reinvent the game.
 
I only saw the second half but Roth looked good, particularly crashing down on running plays. A couple of times I thought the announcers should have singled him out but did not.

Obviously I hope I'm wrong and we feast at every position. But I'm not backing off that Roth is not ideal at that position. In general I don't like the patchwork trend of massive OLBs in the 3-4. IMO, it's somewhat of a concession to the weakness of the scheme, and leads to vulnerabilities that are magnified against the best opponents. I'll always be a 4-3 guy. Watching Spagnoulo at Giants camp last summer and many replays of the glorious Super Bowl convinced me even more. I don't think it's possible a 3-4 team could have stymied that New England team to that extent in perfect conditions without swirling winds, etc. It took 4 rush men with upfield tenacity at the snap to pull that off.

The 3-4 probably allows more likelihood to become a good defense, partially because it's basically a 25/75 minority, requiring adjustments for teams that don't see if often. The 3-4 does yield fewer big plays. In our office I've seen that in the stats, very clear cut. But IMO if you aspire to a great defense and not merely a passable one that can survive alongside a dominant offense, the 4-3 is the way to go. The more you try to reinvent the game the football gods will chuckle and say not so fast. And 275 pound linebackers are an attempt to reinvent the game.

You stole my thunder! This is preseason folks and there are no guarantees that this experiment with Roth beith a hybrid OLB will ultimately work. Gotta admit I love seeing him and CC causing all sorts of havoc. But again its game 3 of preseason and the Chiefs OL is not necessarily all world.

On the surface a 270lb + guy is not my idea of an ideal OLB or even a hybrid. The guy needs to be slotted in at DE and maybe no more than a situational pass rusher at best. The thought of him in coverage does not rest well.

The 4-3 is preferable. In today's NFL the more big and fast bodies you can put on the line to put pressure the better. No pass rush and a defense is doomed. It takes a special D to pull off the 3-4 with a dominant NT, two versatile guys on the left and right, and OLBs outstanding in coverage and at least one superstar preferably in the middle among the LBs. The Ravens in their hey day and the present day Bears (due to their personnel at LB) are examples of pulling off the 3-4. IMHO we don't have the personnel to do it. Bottom line - we should stick with the 4-3 and Roth being used as a situational player at best.
 
There is a whole new attitude on the team this year, especially on "D" where Crowder and Roth seem to feed off one another. If this can continue into the regular season we have taken many steps ahead. It could be a fun ride.
 
I only saw the second half but Roth looked good, particularly crashing down on running plays. A couple of times I thought the announcers should have singled him out but did not.

Obviously I hope I'm wrong and we feast at every position. But I'm not backing off that Roth is not ideal at that position. In general I don't like the patchwork trend of massive OLBs in the 3-4. IMO, it's somewhat of a concession to the weakness of the scheme, and leads to vulnerabilities that are magnified against the best opponents. I'll always be a 4-3 guy. Watching Spagnoulo at Giants camp last summer and many replays of the glorious Super Bowl convinced me even more. I don't think it's possible a 3-4 team could have stymied that New England team to that extent in perfect conditions without swirling winds, etc. It took 4 rush men with upfield tenacity at the snap to pull that off.

The 3-4 probably allows more likelihood to become a good defense, partially because it's basically a 25/75 minority, requiring adjustments for teams that don't see if often. The 3-4 does yield fewer big plays. In our office I've seen that in the stats, very clear cut. But IMO if you aspire to a great defense and not merely a passable one that can survive alongside a dominant offense, the 4-3 is the way to go. The more you try to reinvent the game the football gods will chuckle and say not so fast. And 275 pound linebackers are an attempt to reinvent the game.

Though very well argued I'm not sure I agree with everything... I think talking about 'reinvention' might be overstating it a little bit. Both have been around a long time and Both systems have strengths and weaknesses and obviously depend entirely on the personnel best suited for each. In the 3-4 linebackers have always needed to be big.

I think when you talk systems you talk about 'trade offs'... The 4-3 can be equally vulnerable if you do not get that initial 'push' and collapse the pocket.. Basically you are playing your strength against theirs and hoping for the best... let's face it the Giants in the superbowl was an example of total domination strength on strength... and yes a very good example of working that system beautifully... but who is to say that an equally implemented 3-4 would not have had the same results?

Some players big or small flourish when given a little more space in which to work... Let's hope this is the case with Roth as I noticed him having a very difficult time when OLinemen locked him up on intial contact in seasons past... The shorter arms do not help...

But I feel that the 3-4 can be very fluid and creative in what people you choose to put where in any given situation... I think it allows the DC a little more creativity in masking blitzes, changing it up and creating mismatches but you need the personnel and that means you need some big dawgs to play LB.
 
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