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This kind of thing might have been posted when we first traded for him, so sorry if it's a rehash, but I thought I'd see what Seattle fans on fieldgulls.com thought of Maxwell when he left them.
With the Howard signing, it is even more abundantly clear that Maxwell is our #1 WR and across from him is/are going to be one or more raw receivers. He may not get targeted as often given the easier pickings in Lippett/Howard/McCain etc, but he's going to have to lead that CB group towards respectability. Judging from the reaction to his departure, the fans are divided as to whether he is a #1 or #2 CB, though just about all Seattle fans call him a very good press corner:
“Hated how he’d randomly give up on a play though, and then give up a random long completion. Infuriating. Good player overall though.”
“I think Maxwell is a better all purpose CB than Browner was for Seattle”
“He is being paid like a player to build a secondary around. And I just don’t think he is that. I think Sherm, ET, and Kam made Byron look better than he is. I still think he is good, but I would guess that his play gets worse rather than gets better. He also hasn’t developed an ability to stay healthy.”
“Part of the Eagles evaluation may be that Maxwell did pretty well against Dez Bryant. He’s not a bad guy to go against receivers like Dez, because he’s both fast and physical, with long arms and a fearless, aggressive mentality.”
"I think it’s safe to say that at a minimum, Maxwell is a very good NFL corner. Maybe not great or elite"
“To me he seems like he’s worth maybe $8 million (solidly good coverage corner out wide as well as solidly good slot corner too)— so yeah the Eagles probably overpaid a bit; but that’s not uncommon for the free agency route. But Maxwell has been developed by the best ‘secondary’ organization in the NFL, and is fundamentally sound, extremely competitive, and is used to being targeted as the ‘weak link’ in Seattle’s secondary (getting more than his share of #1 WRs, etc). Just consider the difference in the Hawks performance when Lane was available as the slot corner and Maxwell played the wide corner, versus when the Hawks had to move Maxwell to the slot and Simon played the wide corner. Both Cam Newton and Tom Brady abused Simon in the playoffs once Maxwell was moved to the slot. Gong to miss having Maxwell.”
“I think being in Seattle's secondary makes Maxwell look better than Maxwell actually is, with ET shaded to his side. That being said, I still think he is good.”
“In Seattle, he was playing as the second CB, so he was receiving extra attention from opposing QBs and OCs because he was playing opposite Sherman. Without that, his numbers will necessarily shift. Opposing teams will be forced to account for him and shift action away from him whenever practicable. “
“Teams have already shown he can be thrown at without disastrous results, I doubt the OCs are gonna sit there game-planning and say "well, we were successful against Maxwell last year, but ****, now he’s their best corner so we better avoid him at all costs"
“It seems logical that without Richard Sherman on the field with him, he will receive less attention. Even with all of the extra attention (targeted once in every 5.8 coverage snaps), PFF notes that his opposing passer rating was 78.5 and he allowed only one TD in 2014. I don’t have access to PFF’s signature stats right now, but I am willing to bet that puts him in some pretty elite company.”
“Last season, when it became apparent that opposing QBs were going to test Sherman only so much, I started focusing on Maxwell’s game. And to my eyes, I was surprised at how much better the guy was than I had ever thought to consider him. He’s really good at pressing and then sticking with his guy whatever the route. He rarely allows much separation, and fights like hell when the ball is in the air. Sherman gets his hips and eyes around to the ball consistently quicker than Maxwell, and therefore is consistently better at putting himself in position to make a play. But that’s the biggest difference that I saw, and it’s relative because Maxwell wasn’t bad at that either.”
“Because of the Seahawks’ defensive scheme, Maxwell probably has a higher rate of lining up against the opposition’s top WR than other "#2" CBs in the league and performed very well in that role.”
“To me he seemed to struggle against true #1 receivers. The Eagles division has 3 other teams that have one…Bryant, Odell Beckham, and Desean Jackson. I am curious to see how he gets used.One of my friends looked up the advanced stats, and is not impressed and asked my opinion, I said he is a decent corner, probably a lot like Carry Williams, but without all the penalties.”
“It's Maxwell's physicality at the line that they'll miss the most. Keeping guys from even getting started is every bit as effective as great cover skills. And he has those too. I think he’s going to be really tough to replace. My opinion.”
With the Howard signing, it is even more abundantly clear that Maxwell is our #1 WR and across from him is/are going to be one or more raw receivers. He may not get targeted as often given the easier pickings in Lippett/Howard/McCain etc, but he's going to have to lead that CB group towards respectability. Judging from the reaction to his departure, the fans are divided as to whether he is a #1 or #2 CB, though just about all Seattle fans call him a very good press corner:
“Hated how he’d randomly give up on a play though, and then give up a random long completion. Infuriating. Good player overall though.”
“I think Maxwell is a better all purpose CB than Browner was for Seattle”
“He is being paid like a player to build a secondary around. And I just don’t think he is that. I think Sherm, ET, and Kam made Byron look better than he is. I still think he is good, but I would guess that his play gets worse rather than gets better. He also hasn’t developed an ability to stay healthy.”
“Part of the Eagles evaluation may be that Maxwell did pretty well against Dez Bryant. He’s not a bad guy to go against receivers like Dez, because he’s both fast and physical, with long arms and a fearless, aggressive mentality.”
"I think it’s safe to say that at a minimum, Maxwell is a very good NFL corner. Maybe not great or elite"
“To me he seems like he’s worth maybe $8 million (solidly good coverage corner out wide as well as solidly good slot corner too)— so yeah the Eagles probably overpaid a bit; but that’s not uncommon for the free agency route. But Maxwell has been developed by the best ‘secondary’ organization in the NFL, and is fundamentally sound, extremely competitive, and is used to being targeted as the ‘weak link’ in Seattle’s secondary (getting more than his share of #1 WRs, etc). Just consider the difference in the Hawks performance when Lane was available as the slot corner and Maxwell played the wide corner, versus when the Hawks had to move Maxwell to the slot and Simon played the wide corner. Both Cam Newton and Tom Brady abused Simon in the playoffs once Maxwell was moved to the slot. Gong to miss having Maxwell.”
“I think being in Seattle's secondary makes Maxwell look better than Maxwell actually is, with ET shaded to his side. That being said, I still think he is good.”
“In Seattle, he was playing as the second CB, so he was receiving extra attention from opposing QBs and OCs because he was playing opposite Sherman. Without that, his numbers will necessarily shift. Opposing teams will be forced to account for him and shift action away from him whenever practicable. “
“Teams have already shown he can be thrown at without disastrous results, I doubt the OCs are gonna sit there game-planning and say "well, we were successful against Maxwell last year, but ****, now he’s their best corner so we better avoid him at all costs"
“It seems logical that without Richard Sherman on the field with him, he will receive less attention. Even with all of the extra attention (targeted once in every 5.8 coverage snaps), PFF notes that his opposing passer rating was 78.5 and he allowed only one TD in 2014. I don’t have access to PFF’s signature stats right now, but I am willing to bet that puts him in some pretty elite company.”
“Last season, when it became apparent that opposing QBs were going to test Sherman only so much, I started focusing on Maxwell’s game. And to my eyes, I was surprised at how much better the guy was than I had ever thought to consider him. He’s really good at pressing and then sticking with his guy whatever the route. He rarely allows much separation, and fights like hell when the ball is in the air. Sherman gets his hips and eyes around to the ball consistently quicker than Maxwell, and therefore is consistently better at putting himself in position to make a play. But that’s the biggest difference that I saw, and it’s relative because Maxwell wasn’t bad at that either.”
“Because of the Seahawks’ defensive scheme, Maxwell probably has a higher rate of lining up against the opposition’s top WR than other "#2" CBs in the league and performed very well in that role.”
“To me he seemed to struggle against true #1 receivers. The Eagles division has 3 other teams that have one…Bryant, Odell Beckham, and Desean Jackson. I am curious to see how he gets used.One of my friends looked up the advanced stats, and is not impressed and asked my opinion, I said he is a decent corner, probably a lot like Carry Williams, but without all the penalties.”
“It's Maxwell's physicality at the line that they'll miss the most. Keeping guys from even getting started is every bit as effective as great cover skills. And he has those too. I think he’s going to be really tough to replace. My opinion.”
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