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Maybe Saban's Biggest Oversight

I agree with everyone who has hinted that this is a team rebuilding project nd that it will take years (1-3 max) to get everything in place. We have the backfiled, the receivers, and need OL, QB and taller TE's (IMHO). These come next year. He has the youth and beef on the D that we will build upon as they get experience, right now the D is in good shape, witht he exception of a quality run stopper. That will come too.

Let's enjoy the new regime, the running game and the completed passes this year and smile really big next April - Aug.
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byroan said:
There wasn't any QB's that Saban thought had value when it was Miami's turn to pick. That's the reason we didn't draft a QB. Hindsight is 20/20.
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Read a similar post last night and that has to be it. No real stud Qb, and Saban would have an idea who is coming out this year too.
 
Ask yourself how good the Fins stopped the run last year. The defense was pretty bad and needed immediate help. I think Saban was thinking clearly by drafting defense. I seem to remember that when Saban came in he mentioned that the starting qb job was Feeleys to lose so he must have unfortunately mis-evaluated the guys ability. This situation will be remedied as soon as possible which sadly does not appear to be right now.
 
canesfins13 said:
QP and no upgrades on the OL are his grosses oversites and the most obvious posititions of need.
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Wow, that's pretty harsh. "Gross oversight" Did it ever occur to anyone that maybe Nick's plan for this team and organization isn't a one year turnaround. He's got a 5 year contract and he's not going to retool this team in one offseason. Obviously he didn't see any Quarterback this season that he felt was going to be a different maker or a long term solution to the quarterback position. Everyone is confused as to why he'd sign Holliday and Carter if we were having a youth movement. Remember, he signed them to one year contracts and while you want to be patient and get young players, you don't do it by sacrificing the current season and giving up. So, before we start questioning Saban and what he's done with this position and that position, let's remember that he does have a PLAN... and that PLAN isn't going to be realized in only one year. What happen to all the Dolphins fans that were willing to give Coach Saban at least 2 if not 3 seasons before we started questioning him. Well, I for one am still willing to trust him and his decisions. I'm not saying we can't question him, but, this is just one offseason and i'm sure he's going chose the best person available for our LONG term success and not just one season. Remember, "Make Haste slowly"... we're not going to jeopardize our salary cap or future draft picks for a "quick fix" at any position. This is NOT the Wannstedt or Speilman era anymore.
 
PHINATIC13 said:
First off I think Coach Saban is doing a very good job thus far.I'm just a little puzzled by Saban not drafting a QB.I know hindsight is 20/20 but we all knew our QB sitiuation wasn't great to start with. I know myself(and many others) had picked a QB when we all were doing our mock drafts(mine sucked).It's seems obvious now that we are going to draft a QB in next years draft.He brought in Gus for insurance in my opinion as back up(and to help teach the O) to AJ who just can't seem to help himself(win the job).I can only conclude that Nick must have thought AJ was going to be the guy(or Gus)but now I believe he wishes he would've drafted a QB.Anyway here's what I'm getting at,were losing a year that the rookie QB could have learned the Offense and been ready to play next season.I know it's easy to say this now,but are any of us totally surprised at this?Even if they thought all along that Gus would start he can't be thought as the long term answer.We had chances to draft David Greene(85th overall to SEA.) in the 2nd rd. instead of Matt Roth(46th overall) and we could of drafted Kyle Orton(106th overall to CHI) in the 4th rd. instead of Travis Daniels(104th overall). Now I'm not saying these guys are the answer but I think we should've pulled the trigger on one of them. Well just throwing this out there what do you guys think? Am I off base on this?
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I couldn't agree with this post any stronger. I to am a fan of Saban's but I think he dropped the ball on the the qb situation. There were some good steals this year in the draft at the middle rounds. I won't list them but we discussed them all before the draft. You cann't convince me that the drop off at cb between daniels and the next cornerback in line warrented bypassing the most glaring need at qb. Bringing in gus made no sense as this team is in a rebuilding year and you are going to give valuable playing time to a 34 year old retread that cann't possibily be here for the long term. To me this makes no sense. Imo this will set us back one full year of rebuilding.
 
idaho said:
I couldn't agree with this post any stronger. I to am a fan of Saban's but I think he dropped the ball on the the qb situation. There were some good steals this year in the draft at the middle rounds. I won't list them but we discussed them all before the draft. You cann't convince me that the drop off at cb between daniels and the next cornerback in line warrented bypassing the most glaring need at qb. Bringing in gus made no sense as this team is in a rebuilding year and you are going to give valuable playing time to a 34 year old retread that cann't possibily be here for the long term. To me this makes no sense. Imo this will set us back one full year of rebuilding.
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And as I explained, obviously, in Saban's opinion and his close advisors and scouts, there was no QB in this draft that he felt was a long term solution. Maybe he felt with more Draft picks and a better salary cap situation next offseason, that would be a better chance to get the Quarterback he seeks.
 
PHINATIC13 said:
First off I think Coach Saban is doing a very good job thus far.I'm just a little puzzled by Saban not drafting a QB.I know hindsight is 20/20 but we all knew our QB sitiuation wasn't great to start with. I know myself(and many others) had picked a QB when we all were doing our mock drafts(mine sucked).It's seems obvious now that we are going to draft a QB in next years draft.He brought in Gus for insurance in my opinion as back up(and to help teach the O) to AJ who just can't seem to help himself(win the job).I can only conclude that Nick must have thought AJ was going to be the guy(or Gus)but now I believe he wishes he would've drafted a QB.Anyway here's what I'm getting at,were losing a year that the rookie QB could have learned the Offense and been ready to play next season.I know it's easy to say this now,but are any of us totally surprised at this?Even if they thought all along that Gus would start he can't be thought as the long term answer.We had chances to draft David Greene(85th overall to SEA.) in the 2nd rd. instead of Matt Roth(46th overall) and we could of drafted Kyle Orton(106th overall to CHI) in the 4th rd. instead of Travis Daniels(104th overall). Now I'm not saying these guys are the answer but I think we should've pulled the trigger on one of them. Well just throwing this out there what do you guys think? Am I off base on this?
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Why draft a QB for the sake of Drafting a QB? If your going to a car dealer to buy a Sports car and all they have is station wagons do you buy one just cause your there?-No--you wait till they have what you want. ;)
 
idaho said:
I couldn't agree with this post any stronger. I to am a fan of Saban's but I think he dropped the ball on the the qb situation. There were some good steals this year in the draft at the middle rounds. I won't list them but we discussed them all before the draft. You cann't convince me that the drop off at cb between daniels and the next cornerback in line warrented bypassing the most glaring need at qb. Bringing in gus made no sense as this team is in a rebuilding year and you are going to give valuable playing time to a 34 year old retread that cann't possibily be here for the long term. To me this makes no sense. Imo this will set us back one full year of rebuilding.
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Yeah with they way he handled the QB position this preseason, there is no excuse for drafting Roth instead of Frye. Frye couldve been put it in halfway through the year gaining valuable experience
 
PHINATIC13 said:
First off I think Coach Saban is doing a very good job thus far.I'm just a little puzzled by Saban not drafting a QB.I know hindsight is 20/20 but we all knew our QB sitiuation wasn't great to start with. I know myself(and many others) had picked a QB when we all were doing our mock drafts(mine sucked).It's seems obvious now that we are going to draft a QB in next years draft.He brought in Gus for insurance in my opinion as back up(and to help teach the O) to AJ who just can't seem to help himself(win the job).I can only conclude that Nick must have thought AJ was going to be the guy(or Gus)but now I believe he wishes he would've drafted a QB.Anyway here's what I'm getting at,were losing a year that the rookie QB could have learned the Offense and been ready to play next season.I know it's easy to say this now,but are any of us totally surprised at this?Even if they thought all along that Gus would start he can't be thought as the long term answer.We had chances to draft David Greene(85th overall to SEA.) in the 2nd rd. instead of Matt Roth(46th overall) and we could of drafted Kyle Orton(106th overall to CHI) in the 4th rd. instead of Travis Daniels(104th overall). Now I'm not saying these guys are the answer but I think we should've pulled the trigger on one of them. Well just throwing this out there what do you guys think? Am I off base on this?
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Greene has a noodle arm. I cant imagine him ever being more than a backup. Any offense led by him would have to be entirely timing based on short throws.

Orton I would have loved to have nabbed but we really needed Daniels.

Again blame wanny. If we hadnt dealt the 2nd and 3rd last year we wouldnt have been left scrambling to try and gain more picks. Maybe we would have taken a QB cause our draft would have looked like Ronnie, Webster, Roth early on. maybe Orton or Orlovsky would have been takem in a later round. We'll never know.
 
fishfan34 said:
And as I explained, obviously, in Saban's opinion and his close advisors and scouts, there was no QB in this draft that he felt was a long term solution. Maybe he felt with more Draft picks and a better salary cap situation next offseason, that would be a better chance to get the Quarterback he seeks.
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Let's hope we address this issue next year. The problem I have is there are to many variables next year. Our draft order, injuries and so on to name a few.
I know drafting a qb is risky and deserves indepth analysis by scouts but at some point you need to take a risk. I guess that is my arguement that Fyre, Orton, Orlovsky and a few others were available in the middle of the draft. I believe we drafted well and got good players. Not sure which one I would give back but we are talking about the qb and from what we went through last year for me I draft a young qb in the middle round. The draft is a crap shoot at best.
 
adamprez2003 said:
Yeah with they way he handled the QB position this preseason, there is no excuse for drafting Roth instead of Frye. Frye couldve been put it in halfway through the year gaining valuable experience
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I think the fact our Dl sucked last year is all the evidence we need to support the Roth move. Even if Webster was the guy Saban wanted at that point (and this has been widely documented) we still ranked 32nd in run D last year. The DL HAD to be shored up. In addition, in relation to the Qb position DL are much cheaper to sign and since we were struggling for cap room at 1 point that could have been a motive as well.

Finally there's other factors to consider at Qb when you draft them such as how long it could take them to mature and learn the game, adjust to game speed, learning the offense, when they get drafted in relation to what a coach feels is their potential upside.
 
Look, if we had drafted a QB there would be people crying that we didn't draft another position. You can't expect to get every single need in one year when the team was in bad a shape as it was.
 
idaho said:
Let's hope we address this issue next year. The problem I have is there are to many variables next year. Our draft order, injuries and so on to name a few.
I know drafting a qb is risky and deserves indepth analysis by scouts but at some point you need to take a risk. I guess that is my arguement that Fyre, Orton, Orlovsky and a few others were available in the middle of the draft. I believe we drafted well and got good players. Not sure which one I would give back but we are talking about the qb and from what we went through last year for me I draft a young qb in the middle round. The draft is a crap shoot at best.
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Your last line says it all. "The draft is a crap shoot" Draft order obviously means nothing when Ryan Leaf is cooking hamburgers at Jack in the Box and 6th round pick Tom Brady is a 3 time super bowl champ. Who's to say if Orton or Frye or any of them will be busts or not.. obviously Saban has a plan and QB wasn't in his plan for this particular season... nothing is certain and like someone said earlier.. if you go to but a Lexus and all that have are Kia's do you buy one anyways, or do you wait until you feel you'll get a better selection? I know, it's a crap shoot, but, it's a long term plan, "make haste slowly"... I think we should all relax and like any other year, take our best hopes into this season and see how things play out.. then worry about the things that need fixing, next year.. who's to say if it will all be fixed next season or by season 3.. All I know is that Saban has my faith for 3 seasons and i'm not going to turn on him or his plan/decisions based on what he's done 9 months into his professional head coaching career...
 
We had a future in our hands but he got released

We had Brock but because of "business". :cry: We no longer have a QB to build around.:yell:
 
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