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Some interesting ones. Despite all the post-combine negative hype, Paul Dawson is still his no.1 LB. The eye in the sky don't lie. I'd have Perryman as 4 and McKinney as 5 or possibly out of the top 5 altogether, but agree with his top three.

Can't argue with his edge rankings much; 1. Fowler 2. Ray. 3. Beasley 4. Gregory 5. Dupree (Ray might be my top guy, Nate Orchard would be knocking on the door & I would have him tied 5th)

Lot of changes to the CB list and some reshuffling at TE and OL.

Not much controversy about a lot of his picks.
 
blake bell at tight end....ugh

i think that randall kid at safety is interesting...shaq thompson i thinks playing safety in the pros now...there's some kam chancellor simililarites there...destined to play strong safety

not a top 5 edge rusher that projects in a 43 to be found...was thinking ray maybe but at 246 lbs that's awful light to play an every down de in a 43...preston smith is someone i think has worked his way into a top 50 pick as a 43 de...liked what i saw there although miami won't be going de anyways early
 
If you're running a 3-4 defense, this is the year to load up.
 
blake bell at tight end....ugh

i think that randall kid at safety is interesting...shaq thompson i thinks playing safety in the pros now...there's some kam chancellor simililarites there...destined to play strong safety

not a top 5 edge rusher that projects in a 43 to be found...was thinking ray maybe but at 246 lbs that's awful light to play an every down de in a 43...preston smith is someone i think has worked his way into a top 50 pick as a 43 de...liked what i saw there although miami won't be going de anyways early

Physically Preston Smith is my idea of a prototypical DE for a 4-3. 6-5, 271 lbs with long arms.
 
Damarious Randall is interesting, he was like one safety that was more noticeable at the combine. he seems to be solid against the run, but a lot of coverage issues. but i gotta look into him more

safeties were so awful to watch basically


and please no TEs in draft... i beg of this.
 
Damarious Randall is interesting, he was like one safety that was more noticeable at the combine. he seems to be solid against the run, but a lot of coverage issues. but i gotta look into him more

safeties were so awful to watch basically


and please no TEs in draft... i beg of this.

I have Randall as one of my two Safeties to target, the other being Jermaine Whitehead - three if you're counting Eric Rowe as a Safety. Very good in every drill, and it shows in the way he moves on the field. Great blitzing off the edge. Has the feet to develop into a guy you can drop down on a slot WR. Athletically, he's similar to Jimmie Ward - not a 1-for-1, but pretty close.

It's not a great safety class, but I think both Randall and Whitehead present excellent value. Randall is currently being projected in the 3rd, and he has all the physical tools you need in an excellent FS, and he's been very productive in his two years at ASU. Whitehead is being projected as a 7th-UDFA. I don't know the details of his suspension, beyond he got into it with a DB coach, but from what I understand, he's an extremely competitive player, who practices hard, had 6 INT's in 9 games, and also shows the physical tools you covet in a FS. His production skyrocketed this year when he was asked to take over the lead role in the secondary. Anyway, I love his talent at that price, and it sounds like he let his emotions get the best of him with a coach over a legitimate disagreement.

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http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=119825&draftyear=2015&genpos=FS

I have to disagree with hoops when he says there's not a top-5 edge rush passer that projects to a 4-3. Dupree can play DE or SLB in a 4-3, and Beasley is just a slightly different version of Von Miller.

To Mayock's rankings:

I'm trying to understand why people keep ranking Fowler ahead of Beasley or Dupree. He wasn't as productive, on paper or film, and he's nowhere near the athlete that either are. Bluntly, the odds are severely stacked against Fowler ever becoming even a moderately productive pass rusher. He does't have the explosion or the agility. And for the people that bang the table for him, they always talk about how much better he'll be as a pro. Well, if I'm betting on a player becoming a better pro than he was a collegiate athlete, I'm banking on a physical upside. Fowler does't give you that.

Still has Petty over Hundley.

Abdullah is still way high to me.

Solid WR ranking, but I'm not ready to consider Perriman in the top-5 group.

I like Walford better than Williams, and I have Jesse James in the top 5.

Don't get Tomlinson over Cann.

Good to see him move Collins up to the top of his OT's.

Shelton is too high for me, and Armstead doesn't look like a top-5 DT to me. What's Xavier Cooper have to do to get some love?

I wouldn't draft Perryman or Dawson over Mike Hull. It's great that Dawson looks good and has great reaction, but I'm not going to be Jarvis Jones'd again. And if I'm a 4-3 team, I wouldn't draft Anthony over Hull. Anthony looks like a 3-4 ILB to me - weak or strong side. Hull can move, and he has toughness and instincts to follow through.

Not going to go into Waynes again, but I'd have Kevin Johnson higher than he or Peters, and I do think Slimm's pick, Bobby McCain, needs to be in the top 5. Williams is tough, because I love the way he plays, but outside of the jumping drills, he really had a rough Combine, and you see some of it translate to the field. Doesn't have high-level feet. Want him on my team, but I'm not spending a pick associated with a top-5 CB on him. Of the CB's only five had, what I'd consider, clean Combines for a CB - Eric Rowe, Justin Coleman, Kevin Johnson, Byron Jones, and Bobby McCain. I'm not putting Justin Coleman in my top 5, but Johnson and McCain are in, and Rowe and Jones are in the mix.
 
Xavier Cooper to get some love needs to fall to us so we can draft him and have him dominate as a Dolphin his whole career!!!

Maxx and Clive are the only TEs on my board... lol

Safeties pretty much the same... there is like nobody I want. even with Randall, athlete, small, not a great great safety... Whitehead can go on that as well. 7th round okay i guess. but to speak on Rowe he would be the one I would look into more as a FS.... but where is he slated to go in the draft???

You know I am going to disagree with you on Bud Dupree.... we spoke on it enough... so I gotta wipe him out on a top edge rusher (but not saying he cant develop into one)

I actually like Laken Tomlinson over AJ Cann... stronger, anchors well with very nice feet... he seems like a worker and a leader... he is just all around great player I would want... where Cann worries me in pass blocking.

Stephone Anthony is getting so much love because he is an athlete at LB.... i think he is going to be a huge bust... time will tell. For Miami lets just find a way to draft Eric Kendricks so we dont have to worry about any other ILBs the rest of the draft!!!

CB- sorry.... I'm just not a Bobby McCain fan... i've watched and tried but there is a lot i disliked. he wouldnt be in my top 15.
 
Xavier Cooper to get some love needs to fall to us so we can draft him and have him dominate as a Dolphin his whole career!!!

Maxx and Clive are the only TEs on my board... lol

Safeties pretty much the same... there is like nobody I want. even with Randall, athlete, small, not a great great safety... Whitehead can go on that as well. 7th round okay i guess. but to speak on Rowe he would be the one I would look into more as a FS.... but where is he slated to go in the draft???

You know I am going to disagree with you on Bud Dupree.... we spoke on it enough... so I gotta wipe him out on a top edge rusher (but not saying he cant develop into one)

I actually like Laken Tomlinson over AJ Cann... stronger, anchors well with very nice feet... he seems like a worker and a leader... he is just all around great player I would want... where Cann worries me in pass blocking.

Stephone Anthony is getting so much love because he is an athlete at LB.... i think he is going to be a huge bust... time will tell. For Miami lets just find a way to draft Eric Kendricks so we dont have to worry about any other ILBs the rest of the draft!!!

CB- sorry.... I'm just not a Bobby McCain fan... i've watched and tried but there is a lot i disliked. he wouldnt be in my top 15.

McCain isn't in your top 15 CB's? Curious to see who you've ranked ahead of him.
 
McCain isn't in your top 15 CB's? Curious to see who you've ranked ahead of him.

well.... i havent officially listed anything.... but i can throw names at ya!!!

Trade Waynes
Kevin Johnson
Jalen Collins
Ifo Ekpre-Olomu
Quinten Rollins
Kevin White
Marcus Peters
Steven Nelson
Ronald Darby
PJ Williams
Jacoby Glenn
Senquez Golson
Charles Gaines
Lorenzo Doss
Quandre Diggs
D'Joun Smith

i think thats 16 in no particular order..... then there is guys like Josh Shaw, Imoan Claiborne, Alex Carter I could put bobby McCain with.... Doran Grant?
 
Anyone else curious why Boise State RB Jay Ajayi isn't in his top 5? I like Ameer Abdullah oblongata :chuckle: but I think Mayock has him ranked higher than most.
 
Anyone else curious why Boise State RB Jay Ajayi isn't in his top 5? I like Ameer Abdullah oblongata :chuckle: but I think Mayock has him ranked higher than most.

I'm a rabid Abdullah fan so I agree with Mayocks top 3.

As far as the rankings between 4-8, honestly it's personal preference, scheme fit. I'm not crazy for Ajayi but if someone wanted him in there top 5 I wouldn't blame them either. It's just a very deep position.

I actually read a article yesterday comparing Coleman and Gordon, and it compared there games against 9 of the same opponents. Surprising to me, Coleman lead in every statistical category. Such a strong RB class, hard to separate them.
 
its hard to rank players sometimes too... because they all offer such different aspects sometimes to the game... different abilities and needs for teams looking. i like to just group them more than rank.

Gurey/Gordon

Coleman/Ajayi/Abdullah/

Cobb/Duke Johnson/David Johnson/

Langford/Crockett/Brown/Jones/Davis/Robinson

just as examples... then you can kind of compare them in groups and see what to maybe aim for.especially for a specific type team need (like for the Dolphins)
 
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