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Using the 2 seasons where SF had a healthy QB all season, 2019 and 2021, here are some of the things McDaniel is talking about put in numbers. Keep in mind in 2021, only Mitchell had enough attempts to be included in the Nextgen stats, while Coleman, Mostert and Breida were all included in 2019.

We've all seen the clips where McDaniel says he uses the running game to "buy" single high looks from the defense, "you have to earn those looks"....
  • In 2019, Coleman was 2nd in the NFL in % of runs vs 8+ mans in the box(39.42%), Mostert was 9th at 32.12% and Breida was 11th at 30.08%.
  • In 2021, Mitchell was 3rd at 39.61%.
  • For reference sake, in 2020 Gaskins saw an 8+ box on 23.24% of his runs and in 2021, on only 16.18% of his runs...
Its safe to assume that his offense succeeds at crowding the box.

This running game also spends more time behind the LOS, its no surprised as the outside zone takes a bit more time to develop.
  • In 2019, Breida, Mostert and Coleman were all in the top 15 at time spent behind the LOS. In 2021, Mitchell was 7th.
  • Efficiency is a reflection of the relationship between yards ran and yards gained, the lower the number, the more north south a RB is. In 2019, Coleman and Breida were top 15 in efficiency(east/west) while Mostert was 6th to last(More of a north/south guy). In 2021, Mitchell was middle of the pack.
  • So how does a guy like Mostert get to be a north/south runner while also being 14th in time spent behind the LOS? Patience...

When you look at all this and try to make sense of it, it gets interesting... So you've got an offense that faces a ton of loaded box, you've got a scheme that's longer developing bringing defenders even closer to the LOS... Its really no surprise they want speed at RB, if they pick the right hole and hit the gas, you should have alot of green in front of you once you get past the first couple of yards. The extra bonus is, like stated many times by McDaniel, alot of single high looks, no wonder Mike is telling everyone to pick up Waddle in FF...
 
NBP81 said:
Using the 2 seasons where SF had a healthy QB all season, 2019 and 2021, here are some of the things McDaniel is talking about put in numbers. Keep in mind in 2021, only Mitchell had enough attempts to be included in the Nextgen stats, while Coleman, Mostert and Breida were all included in 2019.

We've all seen the clips where McDaniel says he uses the running game to "buy" single high looks from the defense, "you have to earn those looks"....
  • In 2019, Coleman was 2nd in the NFL in % of runs vs 8+ mans in the box(39.42%), Mostert was 9th at 32.12% and Breida was 11th at 30.08%.
  • In 2021, Mitchell was 3rd at 39.61%.
  • For reference sake, in 2020 Gaskins saw an 8+ box on 23.24% of his runs and in 2021, on only 16.18% of his runs...
Its safe to assume that his offense succeeds at crowding the box.

This running game also spends more time behind the LOS, its no surprised as the outside zone takes a bit more time to develop.
  • In 2019, Breida, Mostert and Coleman were all in the top 15 at time spent behind the LOS. In 2021, Mitchell was 7th.
  • Efficiency is a reflection of the relationship between yards ran and yards gained, the lower the number, the more north south a RB is. In 2019, Coleman and Breida were top 15 in efficiency(east/west) while Mostert was 6th to last(More of a north/south guy). In 2021, Mitchell was middle of the pack.
  • So how does a guy like Mostert get to be a north/south runner while also being 14th in time spent behind the LOS? Patience...

When you look at all this and try to make sense of it, it gets interesting... So you've got an offense that faces a ton of loaded box, you've got a scheme that's longer developing bringing defenders even closer to the LOS... Its really no surprise they want speed at RB, if they pick the right hole and hit the gas, you should have alot of green in front of you once you get past the first couple of yards. The extra bonus is, like stated many times by McDaniel, alot of single high looks, no wonder Mike is telling everyone to pick up Waddle in FF...
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He may use him a bit like they used Debo Samuel?
 
This translates to space for receivers, so it's less important for them to create their own separation and more important that they're strong targets who can make plays with the ball in their hands. You still want guys who can create their own separation for a number of reasons, but on a down-to-down basis, it's less important than reliability and playmaking.
 
NBP81 said:
Using the 2 seasons where SF had a healthy QB all season, 2019 and 2021, here are some of the things McDaniel is talking about put in numbers. Keep in mind in 2021, only Mitchell had enough attempts to be included in the Nextgen stats, while Coleman, Mostert and Breida were all included in 2019.

We've all seen the clips where McDaniel says he uses the running game to "buy" single high looks from the defense, "you have to earn those looks"....
  • In 2019, Coleman was 2nd in the NFL in % of runs vs 8+ mans in the box(39.42%), Mostert was 9th at 32.12% and Breida was 11th at 30.08%.
  • In 2021, Mitchell was 3rd at 39.61%.
  • For reference sake, in 2020 Gaskins saw an 8+ box on 23.24% of his runs and in 2021, on only 16.18% of his runs...
Its safe to assume that his offense succeeds at crowding the box.

This running game also spends more time behind the LOS, its no surprised as the outside zone takes a bit more time to develop.
  • In 2019, Breida, Mostert and Coleman were all in the top 15 at time spent behind the LOS. In 2021, Mitchell was 7th.
  • Efficiency is a reflection of the relationship between yards ran and yards gained, the lower the number, the more north south a RB is. In 2019, Coleman and Breida were top 15 in efficiency(east/west) while Mostert was 6th to last(More of a north/south guy). In 2021, Mitchell was middle of the pack.
  • So how does a guy like Mostert get to be a north/south runner while also being 14th in time spent behind the LOS? Patience...

When you look at all this and try to make sense of it, it gets interesting... So you've got an offense that faces a ton of loaded box, you've got a scheme that's longer developing bringing defenders even closer to the LOS... Its really no surprise they want speed at RB, if they pick the right hole and hit the gas, you should have alot of green in front of you once you get past the first couple of yards. The extra bonus is, like stated many times by McDaniel, alot of single high looks, no wonder Mike is telling everyone to pick up Waddle in FF...
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If McDaniel is successful in "buying" those single high looks, we'll see more attempts like that long completion to Hollins in the Saint's game.

I also think Mostert was an almost ideal RB in that scheme when healthy. It's why I want him here to help teach guys like Duke and whatever rookies we bring in.
 
j-off-her-doll said:
This translates to space for receivers, so it's less important for them to create their own separation and more important that they're strong targets who can make plays with the ball in their hands. You still want guys who can create their own separation for a number of reasons, but on a down-to-down basis, it's less important than reliability and playmaking.
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When it comes to the WR position, I was surprised when I checked and realized that under Shanahan, the Niners have picked 4 WRs in rounds 1-3, 7 total.
 
rafael said:
If McDaniel is successful in "buying" those single high looks, we'll see more attempts like that long completion to Hollins in the Saint's game.

I also think Mostert was an almost ideal RB in that scheme when healthy. It's why I want him here to help teach guys like Duke and whatever rookies we bring in.
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Yup you can actually see the styles of their runners through the numbers... Most of them were really really fast but some were relying on their speed pre cut alot more than others, Mitchell was the most balanced in this aspect.
 
j-off-her-doll said:
This translates to space for receivers, so it's less important for them to create their own separation and more important that they're strong targets who can make plays with the ball in their hands. You still want guys who can create their own separation for a number of reasons, but on a down-to-down basis, it's less important than reliability and playmaking.
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So is a smaller, shifty, speedy Waddle-type a best fit for this O, or is it still preferred to have a mix of different types of guys?
 
I haven't really followed San Francisco. My initial concerns are:

1. If our OL and RB combination can't create or find the holes will we likely be in longer down and distance?

2. Will this type of running style be more likely to break the big gains, but also to lose yardage more often?
 
Bopkin02 said:
So is a smaller, shifty, speedy Waddle-type a best fit for this O, or is it still preferred to have a mix of different types of guys?
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Waddle is reliable, versatile, and good after the catch, so I think he's a great fit. Speed is nice but not critical at WR - the way it is at RB - in this offense. David Bell seems like an obvious fit at WR. He made a lot of tough plays at Purdue despite defenses giving him extra attention. He's super reliable, hard to tackle, and does the little things well.
 
NBP81 said:
When it comes to the WR position, I was surprised when I checked and realized that under Shanahan, the Niners have picked 4 WRs in rounds 1-3, 7 total.
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Makes sense to me. Shanahan built a historically good offense spearhead by Juilo and the receivers and complemented by Shanahan's run game with Freeman and Coleman. If not for a historically collapse they win a relatively easy SB in a year where they were pretty clearly the most dominant team in the league. Remember the playoff game vs GB? Shanahan also coached Andre Johnson and Pierre Garcon. His dad almost always had great receivers with SF and Denver.

McDaniel made a bigger deal of Waddle than any player on the roster. You win those 8 man fronts to put your best players in position to dominate, and if your receivers aren't dominating advantageous looks, there's a clear ceiling on the offense.
 
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