MERGED:I agree with Saban\Saban right about Gus

[PhinFan8589]

I agree with Saban

Although most fans think that Gus should be pulled, I agree with Sabans stance. If the team brings in Sage, and he doesn't succeed, then where do we go from there. Messing with the chemistry right now probably isn't the best thing right now. If and when the Dolphins are possibley out of the playoff picture, then you give Sage a chance. The most popular guy on the team is always the backup QB. Let Gus play the next three games, which are all against teams with weak passing defense. Patriots because of injuries, and the Browns and Raiders because of the simple fact that they have limited talent. If the Dolphins had a guy that has proven he can play, then I would pull Gus in a second, because he has played poorly enough to get himself pulled. However, the fact is that Sage Rosenfels has been a third string QB most of his career and has only started once.

 

[MtnFinFan]

The one inconsistency I see is that why is it not messing with chemistry playing musical tackles but it is by bringing in a new qb? Right or wrong I think they are staying with Gus because if he starts hitting on those over/under throws we'd be in decent shape.

 

[Finland]

Although most fans think that Gus should be pulled, I agree with Sabans stance. If the team brings in Sage, and he doesn't succeed, then where do we go from there. Messing with the chemistry right now probably isn't the best thing right now. If and when the Dolphins are possibley out of the playoff picture, then you give Sage a chance. The most popular guy on the team is always the backup QB. Let Gus play the next three games, which are all against teams with weak passing defense. Patriots because of injuries, and the Browns and Raiders because of the simple fact that they have limited talent. If the Dolphins had a guy that has proven he can play, then I would pull Gus in a second, because he has played poorly enough to get himself pulled. However, the fact is that Sage Rosenfels has been a third string QB most of his career and has only started once.

If it does not work you go back to GUS (for a few games) or Lemon (cause the season would be over at that point anyway) I disagree completely unless SABAN thinks he is going to the playoffs. But he ain't!

 

[PhinFan8589]

Well, honestly the QB is more important than the OT spot. Plus, Stockar McDougale has played himself out of any playing time, so that won't mess with the chemistry. QB is different than other positions.

 

[Fineas]

The one inconsistency I see is that why is it not messing with chemistry playing musical tackles but it is by bringing in a new qb? Right or wrong I think they are staying with Gus because if he starts hitting on those over/under throws we'd be in decent shape.

If Sage starts hitting on those over/under throws we'd be in decent shape. The problem has been that Gus hasn't shown an ability to hit on them. Even if he does, it is unlikely to signal an improvement (after 12 years of sub-mediocrity) and he'll likely return to his usual ways in the following week.

If Sage is bad, then pull him, just like we all want them to do with Gus. Maybe there's a legitimate concern about pulling a young, developing QB for fear of affecting his confidence, etc. But that's not Gus. Gus is much more accustomed to warming the bench than he is to being the man. After all, he's been a backup most of his career. The mantra for backups is always be ready. If they need to go back to Gus, there's no reason to think he won't be ready (but there's plenty of reason to think he won't be good).

 

[MtnFinFan]

Well, honestly the QB is more important than the OT spot. Plus, Stockar McDougale has played himself out of any playing time, so that won't mess with the chemistry. QB is different than other positions.

Granted QB is different and chemistry is important, but chemistry along the O-Line is huge and for the first several games it was ok to rotate tackles in the middle of games to seek improvement, play the best players, find the best chemistry or whatever. Now we have the 29th qb/passing game and we don't want to change the chemistry at that position? Just seems like an inconsistent message.

 

[PhinFan8589]

Also, O-lineman need to be rotated at times because the heavy guys getting tired.

 

[MtnFinFan]

If Sage starts hitting on those over/under throws we'd be in decent shape. The problem has been that Gus hasn't shown an ability to hit on them. Even if he does, it is unlikely to signal an improvement (after 12 years of sub-mediocrity) and he'll likely return to his usual ways in the following week.

If Sage is bad, then pull him, just like we all want them to do with Gus. Maybe there's a legitimate concern about pulling a young, developing QB for fear of affecting his confidence, etc. But that's not Gus. Gus is much more accustomed to warming the bench than he is to being the man. After all, he's been a backup most of his career. The mantra for backups is always be ready. If they need to go back to Gus, there's no reason to think he won't be ready (but there's plenty of reason to think he won't be good).

I agree with you 100%, I was just trying to think of why they are sticking with Gus. I would much rather be trying something else at this point with a young qb to get them some playing experience now and see what we have for the future. I think the ball Sage threw against KC showed he can at least place the ball where our receiver has a chance to fight for it.

 

[Butterfrog 2.0]

If Sage is bad, then pull him, just like we all want them to do with Gus. Maybe there's a legitimate concern about pulling a young, developing QB for fear of affecting his confidence, etc. But that's not Gus. Gus is much more accustomed to warming the bench than he is to being the man. After all, he's been a backup most of his career. The mantra for backups is always be ready. If they need to go back to Gus, there's no reason to think he won't be ready (but there's plenty of reason to think he won't be good).

Good post, there is really no reason not to give Sage a chance at this point. If he does good, or just a little better than Frerotte then GREAT, if he does worse then you could always go back to Gus if you need to.

 

[R_t_Kraken]

Although most fans think that Gus should be pulled, I agree with Sabans stance. If the team brings in Sage, and he doesn't succeed, then where do we go from there. Messing with the chemistry right now probably isn't the best thing right now. If and when the Dolphins are possibley out of the playoff picture, then you give Sage a chance. The most popular guy on the team is always the backup QB. Let Gus play the next three games, which are all against teams with weak passing defense. Patriots because of injuries, and the Browns and Raiders because of the simple fact that they have limited talent. If the Dolphins had a guy that has proven he can play, then I would pull Gus in a second, because he has played poorly enough to get himself pulled. However, the fact is that Sage Rosenfels has been a third string QB most of his career and has only started once.

If Sage doesn't succeed, nothing changes. We're going down hill either way. We've played 8 games, we're 3-5. At that rate we'll finish the season at
6-10.

Messing with what chemistry? The chemistry Gus has with the receivers?

I fail to see a problem, or a consequence with bringing in Sage.

 

[hellsapoppin]

I just don't get why some people are so against Sage, He has been on the team 3 or 4 yrs now never a compliant from him. We've never seen him in action for 3 or 4 games. Granted Sage may stink like some think. But who really knows. As far as what would we do if Sage gets a start or two and fails to help the team win. Well what do we do if Gus gets hurt ??? I guess we would go with Sage and if he stinks then What we bring in Lemon, I don't think so. Alot of fans think that the reason Sage doesn't get a chance at starting is because he doesn't know the system or doesn't know it as well as Gus. Give me a break. The recievers know the system the O-line knows the system.
The defense knows the system, does any of these players know all of the system probley not including Gus. But practice makes perfect (or as close as you can get to perfect). I think that if Sage got the chance to practice with the starters he then could show what he has if anything. To just put Gus in as the starter untill we don't make the playoffs is totally stupid to me. If you think like that then your thinking we don't have a chance at the playoffs even now when our division is so close. We may not make the playoffs, but i truley believe that we would have a better chance to make the playoffs with Sage.... Not Gus, Gus has had his chance and it hasn't been good. We need to find out now what Sage has. I believe we need to give Sage a couple of starts to see what he can do. If he stinks up the place go back to Gus, it won't matter as far as the playoffs, because there won't be any playoffs for the dolphins. With Gus we really don't have a chance. With Sage ---- We might.

 

[PhinFan8589]

With a negative look at the Dolphins like you have KUD, then yeah it would make sense to put Sage in, because apparently the year is already over. The rest of the team is playing well, only the QB position has played poorly in the last few weeks.

 

[Oboy]

Ck wrote a good article about this subject. Making TWO points that make be agree with Saban...

1) the rest of our schedule just has us playing one team (SD) with a winning record and one other team (twice) with a .500 record (Pats). Making quite a few of the games very winnable.

2) Saban brought in a few vets and told them this would not be a rebuilding year... Giving in and changing Gus now, points that we have given up this year. He does not want to lose the faith of those vets. He will wait until the season really is over...

EDIT: Here is the link to the article...

http://www.finheaven.com/boardvb2/showthread.php?t=107730

 

[PhinFan8589]

That is exactly what I was getting at. Gus has played defenses such as Tampa Bay, Carolina, and Atlanta. With some teams with poor secondarys coming up on the schedule, lets see what he can do.

 

[tofishfan]

Fact is that the Fins are in a weak division and with 4 games left against division opponents there is still a chance for us to make the playoffs (scary thought eh?)

Sticking with Gus is the only way to go!