Merged:Im tired of the 'qb will be our saviour' point of view/ sell the farm for a QB

[jac3477]

its not very realistic to think we should give up anything for a qb. we have a good base and saban knows this, thats why you will all be dissapointed when we dont draft one of the qbs you all have been talking about, and instead go for another vet in free agency, keep gus and see what cleo can do.

yes, we need to adress the qb situation long term, and gus (while i greatly respect him for his career year this past season) is not the answer in the long run. but all this trade ricky 'for anything that resembles a qb' thing is ridiculous...

ive seen way too many threads here undermining what we already have in sacrifice of any qb that looks like he has the slightest bit of potential.

 

[Phinfan31]

its not very realistic to think we should give up anything for a qb. we have a good base and saban knows this, thats why you will all be dissapointed when we dont draft one of the qbs you all have been talking about, and instead go for another vet in free agency, keep gus and see what cleo can do.

yes, we need to adress the qb situation long term, and gus (while i greatly respect him for his career year this past season) is not the answer in the long run. but all this trade ricky 'for anything that resembles a qb' thing is ridiculous...

ive seen way too many threads here undermining what we already have in sacrifice of any qb that looks like he has the slightest bit of potential.

I agree with you on the Ricky bit...I think its ridiculous everyone is ready to dump Ricky after he recommited to our team and made big plays for us. I dont want to give up Ricky for these potential QBs...however I think we MUST address the QB LONGTERM in the next 2 years FOR SURE. If we dont...were talking about our missing link for years to come. Saban has to be well aware of this fact and I think he will get his franchise QB in the NEAR future. Whether its this draft or next...or if he gets a good FA...it will happen.

 

[dolphan117]

The foundation of any serious superbowl contender is a franchise qb, it makes perfect sense to me to trade Ricky as part of a deal that lands us a player that our coaches beleive is a franchise guy. I dont say that because I dont like Ricky of think we should trade him for Pizza but Ronie and a qb the coaches feel they can develop into "our guy" is worth a heck of a lot more than Gus and R&R. (And no I dont hate gus either, he just isnt the long term answer)

 

[Phinfan31]

To all who dont want to "sell the farm" for a QB

I have seen so many responses to threads where people say they are NOT willing to give up alot for a QB...often they're the same people who complain about our current QB situation. I think our team is in the situation that the NY Giants were in...they had to make a bold move to finally become a TRUE contender. I know Eli Manning didnt do well his first year but that has nothing to do with this...they took a risk on a prospect with alot of potential. Did it pay off? Sure as hell did. Right away? No...but not all star Qb's start off the same way Big Ben is....my point is this...if were EVER going to get another (great) QB we HAVE to take a RISK. We have to "SELL THE FARM". That might mean trading Ricky...(I dont like that idea), that might mean trading draft picks, it might mean trading DEF players...if there was ever a time to pursue our future at the QB position it would be now IMO...there are 3 QB's with ALOT OF POTENTIAL at the pro level. Everything I have seen of Saban makes me think he has the balls to make a move like this when he finds his man...if you believe in Saban and you want a franchise QB for years to come then you MUST be willing to take risks to aquire him.

 

[nopony]

I don't recall the Patriots selling the farm to get Tom Brady. i don't recall Green Bay selling the farm to get Favre. I don't recall miami selling the famr to get Marino. I don't recall Seattle selling the farm to get Hasselbeck. I don't recall Pitt "Sellling the farm" to get Big Ben. I don't recall Indy selling the farm, I don't recall San Diego selling the farm, I don't recall... etc.

There are many, many ways to get your QB. To say that we HAVE to sell the farm to do so is silly.

And I am not convinced at all that the Giants did the right thing. I still think it was stupid. Make a list of all the players they could have had in place of one, Eli. And then tell me it's smart to sell the farm.

 

[beemerdaddy]

keep Ricky Williams A Dol-fin

 

[fin1]

The foundation of any serious superbowl contender is a franchise qb, it makes perfect sense to me to trade Ricky as part of a deal that lands us a player that our coaches beleive is a franchise guy. I dont say that because I dont like Ricky of think we should trade him for Pizza but Ronie and a qb the coaches feel they can develop into "our guy" is worth a heck of a lot more than Gus and R&R. (And no I dont hate gus either, he just isnt the long term answer)

Yeah that franchise QB had all of 129 yards passing, 2 interceptions and an 22.9 QB rating. give me a break. We had the greatest quarterback of all time and didn't win a superbowl. The colts won't either and Manning may very well break Danny's records. Can you say Doug Williams, Phil simms, Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer, Brady's first year 122 yards passing. When Elway was good they lost, when he sucked they won, go figure......................We finished the season undefeated and would have won the Super Bowl with a 40 year old Earl Morral.:shakeno:

 

[volk]

If you are unwilling to spend money/picks on a risk at QB, you are never going to get a Superbowl. It's just that simple. Everyone here afraid to address the QB situation in a real and meaningful way is simply ignoring history.

Need proof? I thought so. In 2002 the Miami Dolphins had the most potent running game in the NFL. Ricky Williams was unstoppable, rushing his way to 1,853 yards on the ground. That same year, we fielded a top 10 defense. Unfortunately, the Dolphins had a QB named Jay Fiedler at the helm. Fiedler was tough and scrappy, but when the game was on the line, he couldn't make the throws. End result? A playoff miss.

Forward to 2003. Ricky puts up a few less yards, defense plays good, passing game sucks. End result? Another playoff miss.

Some of you want to save draft picks and cash and go with a journeyman QB. More power to you. Just remember, the Dolphins have done it before, and they have failed misserably. It is ironic that some of you are so willing to keep the cycle of mediocrity and failure in Miami. The time has come to treat the Qb position as important. If Ricky must leave to do it, let him go.

 

[volk]

Yeah that franchise QB had all of 129 yards passing, 2 interceptions and an 22.9 QB rating. give me a break. We had the greatest quarterback of all time and didn't win a superbowl. The colts won't either and Manning may very well break Danny's records. Can you say Doug Williams, Phil simms, Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer, Brady's first year 122 yards passing. When Elway was good they lost, when he sucked they won, go figure......................We finished the season undefeated and would have won the Super Bowl with a 40 year old Earl Morral.:shakeno:

First of all, you need to scratch Dilfer's name off the list if you want your point to be taken seriously, because there is no way you will see a defense like Baltimore's down in Miami. It just isn't going to happen. That was a once in a lifetime D.

Brad Johnson played the best of his entire career that year with the Bucs. Is Gus capable of that? Maybe. Doubtful, but maybe. The defense protected a lead, and the offense was balanced enough to give Johnson time.

Brady may not have been the key ingredient in the first Pat's win, but in the following two he was a deciding factor. He is a very poor illustration of your point.

Elway wasn't any good when they won the two Superbowls? You can't possibly believe that. That statement is grandly false.

Earl Morral played in a different time in the NFL...32 years ago. Griese passed 11 times in Superbowl 8. That cannot happen in today's NFL. The NFL is a passing league now.

Miami needs a good QB, not another mediocre one.

 

[nopony]

If you are unwilling to spend money/picks on a risk at QB, you are never going to get a Superbowl. It's just that simple. Everyone here afraid to address the QB situation in a real and meaningful way is simply ignoring history.

Need proof? I thought so. In 2002 the Miami Dolphins had the most potent running game in the NFL. Ricky Williams was unstoppable, rushing his way to 1,853 yards on the ground. That same year, we fielded a top 10 defense. Unfortunately, the Dolphins had a QB named Jay Fiedler at the helm. Fiedler was tough and scrappy, but when the game was on the line, he couldn't make the throws. End result? A playoff miss.

Forward to 2003. Ricky puts up a few less yards, defense plays good, passing game sucks. End result? Another playoff miss.

Some of you want to save draft picks and cash and go with a journeyman QB. More power to you. Just remember, the Dolphins have done it before, and they have failed misserably. It is ironic that some of you are so willing to keep the cycle of mediocrity and failure in Miami. The time has come to treat the Qb position as important. If Ricky must leave to do it, let him go.

How is that "proof"?? No one is suggesting we don't need a good quarterback.

You are suggesting there is only one way to get one. And that's ridiculuous.

How did the Patriots get Brady? How did Pitt get Ben? How did San Diego get Brees? How did Green Bay get Favre? How did Baltimore get Johnny frickin Unitas?

There are a lot of ways to get quarterbacks. This team not being dumb for a change, would be a good start.

 

[tylerdolphin]

If Gus had a carrer year, I dont wanna live to see his normal year.

 

[fin1]

First of all, you need to scratch Dilfer's name off the list if you want your point to be taken seriously, because there is no way you will see a defense like Baltimore's down in Miami. It just isn't going to happen. That was a once in a lifetime D.

Brad Johnson played the best of his entire career that year with the Bucs. Is Gus capable of that? Maybe. Doubtful, but maybe. The defense protected a lead, and the offense was balanced enough to give Johnson time.

Brady may not have been the key ingredient in the first Pat's win, but in the following two he was a deciding factor. He is a very poor illustration of your point.

Elway wasn't any good when they won the two Superbowls? You can't possibly believe that. That statement is grandly false.

Earl Morral played in a different time in the NFL...32 years ago. Griese passed 11 times in Superbowl 8. That cannot happen in today's NFL. The NFL is a passing league now.

Miami needs a good QB, not another mediocre one.

First of all Pro Bowler (football?) You are picking through what you want and skewing the post. Jim Plunkett.

The point is the Super Bowl is every bit as full of Quaretebacks that are far from Hall of Famers that have the game of their life.

The defense under Capers and Saban may not be the best of all time but I guarantee they won't lose the Superbowl if we get there.

Where is Brad Johnson and who wants him?(cricket chirping) Didn't Brian Griese replace him?

Brady is the luckiest quarterback I have ever seen and I was watching footbal when Csonka was punching out DB's in the 70's.

Elway had the all-time rushing leader in NFL history on his team. And oh yeah check his friggin stats einstein. They sucked.

Yeah Morral was in a different time but as I stated earlier and you chose to ignore Worthlessburger completed all of 9 passes what the hell are you talking about? Did you even watch the game.

I don't disagree that we don't need another quarterback. I just find it funny that you think by bringing in the next Leaf, Rivers, Harrington, Losman, that is going to get us to the Superbowl. You admitted that Baltimore went without one. Dude too much history is against you on this one. Rock on Dolphins.

 

[fin1]

If you are unwilling to spend money/picks on a risk at QB, you are never going to get a Superbowl. It's just that simple. Everyone here afraid to address the QB situation in a real and meaningful way is simply ignoring history.

Need proof? I thought so. In 2002 the Miami Dolphins had the most potent running game in the NFL. Ricky Williams was unstoppable, rushing his way to 1,853 yards on the ground. That same year, we fielded a top 10 defense. Unfortunately, the Dolphins had a QB named Jay Fiedler at the helm. Fiedler was tough and scrappy, but when the game was on the line, he couldn't make the throws. End result? A playoff miss.

Forward to 2003. Ricky puts up a few less yards, defense plays good, passing game sucks. End result? Another playoff miss.

Some of you want to save draft picks and cash and go with a journeyman QB. More power to you. Just remember, the Dolphins have done it before, and they have failed misserably. It is ironic that some of you are so willing to keep the cycle of mediocrity and failure in Miami. The time has come to treat the Qb position as important. If Ricky must leave to do it, let him go.

Dude you do remember the injury report prior to that game right? You can't play without your heart.

 

[volk]

How is that "proof"?? No one is suggesting we don't need a good quarterback.

You are suggesting there is only one way to get one. And that's ridiculuous.

How did the Patriots get Brady? How did Pitt get Ben? How did San Diego get Brees? How did Green Bay get Favre? How did Baltimore get Johnny frickin Unitas?

There are a lot of ways to get quarterbacks. This team not being dumb for a change, would be a good start.

You're right. We should never spend anything higher than a sixth rounder on a QB, because that's where the Pat's took Brady. We should not attempt to move up in the draft, but rather, hope we play poorly enough to secure the 11th pick because that's where the Steelers got Ben. We should only look at troubled QB prospects, because that's how Green Bay got Favre. Perhaps we just wait a few more years until the prospect we want is assured to be available at our pick, then we can wait another 2 or 3 years until they develop into a good QB? Do you understand how irrational your argument is?

Moving up in the draft isn't "selling the farm", it is just another way to acquire the player you want. I am not against bringing a QB from another team to Miami, in fact I prefer it...but the idea that franchise QB's are littering the landscape for nothing is just rediculous. Do you feel Miami wasted it's money on Ronnie Brown? Who spends 50+ million dollars on a RB anyway? Who keeps a pot smoking RB on the roster when they have a 50 million dollar back already on it and could trade the older back away to help solve the QB situation? Today's NFL is an expensive game, and QB's are it's top billers for a reason. Letting go of Ricky and a pick is hardly overpaying.

 

[volk]

Dude you do remember the injury report prior to that game right? You can't play without your heart.

What game?