vagrantprodigy
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lol, fisher took a team that had done nothing, and 17 years later, had done nothing with it. No thanks.
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lol, fisher took a team that had done nothing, and 17 years later, had done nothing with it. No thanks.
and Bill Callahan took Gruden's team and went to the Super Bowl. Warren Sapp, Derrick Brooks, and John Lynch have all come out and said that there was no way they would have even gotten to the Super Bowl without Gruden. What became Gruden's downfall is he was that he couldn't replace aging offensive players. Michael Clayton had a GREAT rookie year at WR then sucked ever since (He has over half of his career stats as a rookie). Cadillac Williams had a great rookie year then he got struck with the injury bug. But Gruden did build a very good OL down in Tampa, and was able to replace aging pieces on the defense. (aside from the DL). Getting replacements on offense hurt him as he just kept going with older vets after awhile.
so then why haven't the Raiders done anything since 2002? Al Davis then, Al Davis now....Al Davis sucks...that's the bottomline...and Gruden built them from a 4-12 team to a SB contender in 2 years...
His problem in TB was that he thought he could take late round QBs and make them good. And if he signed 5 off the street, one of them had to stick. He did draft Bruce Gradkowski who has been a serviceable back-up and decent starter at a couple places. He didn't want Chris Simms, but Rich McKay made that pick. He struck out on some skill positions draft picks...but the current Tampa OL is all Gruden. As is Ernest Graham who leads the team in receptions. He'll need a good defensive mind to compliment him as that side he doesn't do much.
I could be wrong, but the guy loves coaching, and I would imagine he's seen where he made mistakes, and has taken this time to learn from them, and perhaps grooming a stud QB is a challenge he's more willing to accept. I honestly think his ego was bruised when Bellichick was getting all this praise as a genius and discovering Tom Brady late, that Gruden thought he could do it too....I think the next team that gets him, will be glad they did.
What has Cowher done? Taken over one franchise, the best run franchise in the sport, and produced mediocre results? It took him 14 years to win a SB, Mike Tomlin has one in 5 years. Anyone could win in Pittsburgh, they have a culture conducive to it. Cowher has no idea how to handle a floundering franchise looking to rebuild..
Post makes no sense.
Tuck rule was 2001. During that offseason he was traded to Tampa Bay. 2002 Tampa Bay, which is the next season after the tuck rule, won the Super Bowl with Gruden as HC...and they played the Raiders.
So, the wheels didn't fall off Oakland until 2003. Not only did the Raiders make the playoffs the season after the tuck rule, they were in the super bowl. And not only did Gruden coach a team to the playoffs the year after the tuck rule, he won the SB...
Tony Dungy's last 3 seasons in Tampa were 11-5, 10-6, and his last year was 9-7....people say the Bucs got progressively worse under Gruden...but fail to mention that they were a clear trend to below .500 under Dungy.
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No, you don't make sense. everyone knows Gruden won a Superbowl with a team Dungy built.. He went 7-9 and 5-11 in the 2 respective seasons following his SB win and never regained the SB caliber team that Dungy built. Only with one 11-5 season since the SB win. He has been to 1 Conference Championship.. the year he won the SB. Never got back there. 5 Division Championships in his entire career. FYI
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/GrudJo0.htm
p-double
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I like Gruden's swag
I swear you're either purposefully switching lanes in the discussion or not able to follow the course.
Poster A: Gruden almost won a SB if not for the tuck rule
You in response: But he didn't, they didn't get back to the playoffs and the wheels fell off
Me: Raiders did get back to the playoffs, and Gruden won a SB...the season after the tuck rule
You: something about Dungy building the team (which is about as relevant to the specific discussion about the tuck rule as the price of oil)
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So Dungy had GM duties at Tampa and Indy? He built the Bucs and Colts right? We should hire Dungy since he s such a great talent evaluator. Without him the Colts would've been terrible all those years with Manning.
Predaphin
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This is great...this is the coach i've wanted all along
Actually, that Tampa team was built by Sam Wyche...
So your also opposed to Cowher, and Fisher? Not many option for a new HC then....at least a proven good one.
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Fisher never won a super bowl. He hasn't even had many good seasons.
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Problem is, that would be ***-backwards... again! Wanny picked Speilman, Saban picked Mueller, etc all. Look, the GM should pick the coach, not the other way around. I think Ross is so smitten with star power that he is overlooking any young, fresh coaching talent (think Jim Schwartz, Mike McCarthy, etc...)