chillwill3000
True Phinfan
Orton is GARBAGE. Henne is a gonna be great
Are you guys serious? Do you play fantasy football at all? I'm talking for money, not for free. I'm a dolphin fan, and my heart says Henne all the way... but if I've got $50 on the line I'm taking Cutler every day of the week. He had next to nothing for an o-line last year, and questionable WR's, and still was #15 OVERALL in points in my league last year. Orton was #30 overall... Henne was #95 overall.
Here's how the ratings went in my league last year (2009 stats)
Cutler 3666 yards 27 TDs - 292 fantasy points
Orton 3800 yards 21 TDs - 268 fantasy points
Henne 2878 yards 12 TDs - 187 fantasy points
Yeah, that's right, I was shocked too... Orton nearly doubled up Henne in TD's. Now... Orton looses Marshall this year and Henne gets him, so Henne SHOULD be able to make a huge leap. I'd take Henne for sure if it were between him and Orton... based on what I think will happen this year. Henne has a MUCH larger upside than Orton, however... up until week 1 of this season, what that guy said in the article is correct... statistically speaking, Henne is the worst QB Marshall will have had. At the end of the season I really hope we can say differently. Sad part is, the money for my league is due week 1, not week 17. :up:
Sirspud - Marshall was sat down by McDonalds in an absolutely brilliant coaching move
Are you guys serious? Do you play fantasy football at all? I'm talking for money, not for free. I'm a dolphin fan, and my heart says Henne all the way... but if I've got $50 on the line I'm taking Cutler every day of the week. He had next to nothing for an o-line last year, and questionable WR's, and still was #15 OVERALL in points in my league last year. Orton was #30 overall... Henne was #95 overall.
Here's how the ratings went in my league last year (2009 stats)
Cutler 3666 yards 27 TDs - 292 fantasy points
Orton 3800 yards 21 TDs - 268 fantasy points
Henne 2878 yards 12 TDs - 187 fantasy points
Yeah, that's right, I was shocked too... Orton nearly doubled up Henne in TD's. Now... Orton looses Marshall this year and Henne gets him, so Henne SHOULD be able to make a huge leap. I'd take Henne for sure if it were between him and Orton... based on what I think will happen this year. Henne has a MUCH larger upside than Orton, however... up until week 1 of this season, what that guy said in the article is correct... statistically speaking, Henne is the worst QB Marshall will have had. At the end of the season I really hope we can say differently. Sad part is, the money for my league is due week 1, not week 17. :up:
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2010/fantasy-risers-and-fallers-2010
While this is fantasy news, I figured it might spark some debate on whether or not one agrees Marshall is playing with the worst QB of his career. Basically Barnwell is saying....Orton>Henne
Discuss amongst yourselves
Don't use fantasy stats to justify a point. Denver went 12 deep into the RB depth chart last season. Forte rolled up and died to a point they signed Chester Taylor. Both of those teams HAD to throw. Henne was protected be Brown and WIlliams in the early part of the season, and looked damn good when they opened up down the stretch.
From ESPN AFC East blog.
Barnwell writes:
People are underestimating the contextual shift for Marshall. He's playing with the worst quarterback of his career now (although this changes if Chad Pennington ends up with the starting job at some point during the year). He's on a team that runs the ball a large percentage of the time, and he's in a division with the league's toughest group of pass defenses. There just aren't 165 targets in the hopper.
As a fantasy QB, Cutler might have been great. As a real life QB, he was absolutely terrible. I don't really buy the struggles were because of the team around him argument, the Bears have some receivers that are born to run downfield and Cutler threw the ball to the defense more in some games than he got it to them. I watched pretty much all his games, being that my dad is a major Bears fan, and there simply was no putting Cutler's mistakes on anyone but himself.
Cutler is not a winning quarterback and hasn't ever been despite his obvious talent. He fails at the critical aspect of knowing how to take care of the ball, of not making the fatal mistakes, and of being able to turn his scoring ability into consistency and good game management.
Come on guys, read the article! It is specifically ABOUT fantasy football. I don't care if QB1 is a crybaby or QB2 is a talentless turd who got lucky a year or two... in fantasy football STATS = WINS. Would you guys also be drafting Matt Stafford or Sam Bradford before Peyton Manning at nubmer 10 overall based on 'potential' assuming all you have to go on is stats for this upcomming year? I sure wouldn't.... 5 years down the road maybe when they have proven themselves, but not now.
As a fin fan, I hope Henne runs the tables and throws for 40 TD's and is a top 5 QB... but until that happens, Cutler and Orton have proven they can put up better stats, regardless of talent level. AGAIN though... this year should be a different story, and maybe after week 5 or 7 Henne will have proven this guy wrong.