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Saban's comments

The blog on this site thiscouldbetheyear.com makes a good point.

Saban shouldn't be in Dutch

Rich Libero's observations -- 11/25/05

I don't understand what the big deal is all about Nick Saban's comments this week. What he said was spot-on. Results -- in terms of wins and losses -- don't mean much right now. What is important is that the team absorbs Saban's system and his philosophy. The ultimate goal for the Dolphins as an organization is getting all the right people in the right places thinking on the same page all the time. That is the philosophy used so successfully by the New England Patriots, the New Jersey Devils in hockey and the Dutch national team in soccer. It's a system the Dutch call "Total Football". In Total Football, the Dutch teach their players to perform in multiple positions and do so in such a way that if, say, the left wing cannot play because of an injury, there is another player from the roster that they can plug in with total confidence.

In the case of the New Jersey Devils, they merely adopted a system used by the dynasty Montreal Canadiens. The team used four lines of forwards that were completely balanced and interchangeable. Injuries had little effect because every player understood their role and how to play it. More important, they understood their teammates' roles and were able to take over for them when the situation called.

The Patriots have tried to apply this to football by drafting players with specific psychological make-ups, physical attributes and skills that best suite their system. In other words, the system succeeds when the right players are plugged into it. You cannot always plug a player into a system and expect it to be a success. You wouldn't put a pocket passer like Dan Marino into a run-and-shoot offense.

In some cases, however, I agree that there are times when you have a superstar player in his prime like a Marino (and he was signed for multiple years) and it makes no sense for a coaching staff to come in and install, say, a run-and-shoot offense because that's what made that coaching staff successful.

Anyone who thought that Saban was going to step in, add a few players via the Draft and free agency and turn a 4-12 team into a Super Bowl contender, was asking for a bit much. No, this season was always going to be about installation and inspection. The players who fit the system (like Channing Crowder, Jason Taylor and Zach Thomas) were going to spend the season absorbing the system while the coaching staff figured out what to do with the wretched refuse left behind on the roster.

Also, Saban made a point about the score not meaning anything on a play to play basis. And again, he's right. What he's really trying to say in that statement is that it's all in the details and the details happen on a play-to-play basis. What happened on the previous play means nothing. What's going to happen two plays from now doesn't mean a thing. What matters is that when you clap, shout "break" and leave the huddle for the line scrimmage, nothing should be on a player's mind but running that very play at that very moment.

This is called "being in the moment". It's a difficult mindset for us, as Westerners, to understand. Our minds our so cluttered with so many distractions and bigger picture things. We always seem to know where we are and where we want to get (i.e. 4-12 team wanting to get to the Super Bowl), but it is seldom that we focus on the minute details that are required to take that journey (NASA scientists might be the best at he mission planning because they leave no stone unturned).

Was I upset to hear that Saban wasn't concerned with results? Absolutely not. And I think the same will apply for next season as well. But in 2008, I expect this team to contend and compete to the point where results do matter and that will happen only because Saban will have gotten the right people into his system.
 
were the laughing stock of the league now. apparently we dont care bout winning nomore.
 
Saban's comments

Seriously, where did you think this team was going this year? Winning and luck gets us to 8-8 and what? The middle of the Draft?

He's better off trying to teach and play different guys and do different things.
 
well i didnt think we were going anywere. but i certainly didnt think we didnt care bout winning?
 
ronniebmvp said:
were the laughing stock of the league now. apparently we dont care bout winning nomore.

Who thinks we are the laughing stock of the NFL? Never heard that. And who says we dont care about winning? :shakeno:
 
No matter how much Saban tries to do damage control, those comments will stay with him for a long time.
 
phinking said:
No matter how much Saban tries to do damage control, those comments will stay with him for a long time.

Only because those comments were taken out of context.
 
phinking said:
No matter how much Saban tries to do damage control, those comments will stay with him for a long time.

The whole thing is already starting to blow over. By the end of the season, no one will remember/care.
 
Dolfan28 said:
The blog on this site thiscouldbetheyear.com makes a good point.

Saban shouldn't be in Dutch

Rich Libero's observations -- 11/25/05

I don't understand what the big deal is all about Nick Saban's comments this week. What he said was spot-on. Results -- in terms of wins and losses -- don't mean much right now. What is important is that the team absorbs Saban's system and his philosophy. The ultimate goal for the Dolphins as an organization is getting all the right people in the right places thinking on the same page all the time. That is the philosophy used so successfully by the New England Patriots, the New Jersey Devils in hockey and the Dutch national team in soccer. It's a system the Dutch call "Total Football". In Total Football, the Dutch teach their players to perform in multiple positions and do so in such a way that if, say, the left wing cannot play because of an injury, there is another player from the roster that they can plug in with total confidence.

In the case of the New Jersey Devils, they merely adopted a system used by the dynasty Montreal Canadiens. The team used four lines of forwards that were completely balanced and interchangeable. Injuries had little effect because every player understood their role and how to play it. More important, they understood their teammates' roles and were able to take over for them when the situation called.

The Patriots have tried to apply this to football by drafting players with specific psychological make-ups, physical attributes and skills that best suite their system. In other words, the system succeeds when the right players are plugged into it. You cannot always plug a player into a system and expect it to be a success. You wouldn't put a pocket passer like Dan Marino into a run-and-shoot offense.

In some cases, however, I agree that there are times when you have a superstar player in his prime like a Marino (and he was signed for multiple years) and it makes no sense for a coaching staff to come in and install, say, a run-and-shoot offense because that's what made that coaching staff successful.

Anyone who thought that Saban was going to step in, add a few players via the Draft and free agency and turn a 4-12 team into a Super Bowl contender, was asking for a bit much. No, this season was always going to be about installation and inspection. The players who fit the system (like Channing Crowder, Jason Taylor and Zach Thomas) were going to spend the season absorbing the system while the coaching staff figured out what to do with the wretched refuse left behind on the roster.

Also, Saban made a point about the score not meaning anything on a play to play basis. And again, he's right. What he's really trying to say in that statement is that it's all in the details and the details happen on a play-to-play basis. What happened on the previous play means nothing. What's going to happen two plays from now doesn't mean a thing. What matters is that when you clap, shout "break" and leave the huddle for the line scrimmage, nothing should be on a player's mind but running that very play at that very moment.

This is called "being in the moment". It's a difficult mindset for us, as Westerners, to understand. Our minds our so cluttered with so many distractions and bigger picture things. We always seem to know where we are and where we want to get (i.e. 4-12 team wanting to get to the Super Bowl), but it is seldom that we focus on the minute details that are required to take that journey (NASA scientists might be the best at he mission planning because they leave no stone unturned).

Was I upset to hear that Saban wasn't concerned with results? Absolutely not. And I think the same will apply for next season as well. But in 2008, I expect this team to contend and compete to the point where results do matter and that will happen only because Saban will have gotten the right people into his system.

One of the best reads I've had in awhile. Good job Dolfan28
 
ronniebmvp said:
were the laughing stock of the league now. apparently we dont care bout winning nomore.

We are? Cause thats funny, here I thought that the Texans, 49ers, Jets, Saints, Packers, Ravens, and Cards all had worse records then we did, not to mentioned that were tied with the Raiders, Lions, Bills, and Browns. But what do I know right.
 
phinking said:
No matter how much Saban tries to do damage control, those comments will stay with him for a long time.
By whom? The players know exactly what he meant. So, to them, there is no damage control. The only "damage control" that was done was a clarification conversation with the media that same night. It's the media that's trying to blow this up by (1) not understanding what Saban meant; and (2) by taking things out of context. And with another win, the media will come off of the comments.
 
I have read it, and it is a good read. i dont understand what the problem is. Johann Cruyff and the dutch team are one of the most succesful soccer teams to have played. Am I missing something?
 
It's irritating & annoying. I feel bad for Coach Saban.

He's been so careful how he deals with the media, because he knows what their agenda is, and he gets burned anyway.

I find it even more annoying all the posters on here that either don't understand what he's saying or misinterpret it just to have fun...:shakeno:
 
he didnt say he didnt care about winning he said our record wouldnt dictate his decissions
 
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