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AgentXof12 said:
Hmm. Probably because he was a 2nd round selection by this front office who arguably has the most potential over any of our other receivers not named Brandon Marshall. He didn't look bad in preseason last year--he was a great big target and caught Henne's passes.

Based on physical ability, I'd say Turner is still very much in the mix.
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He was a third round selection not a second round selection. In preseason Turner had 7 receptions for 75 yards and 0 TDs. His longest catches were of 17 & 14 yards and averaged 10. 7 yards a catch. Those are ok numbers. This organization really believes in players who practice well, and that is something Turner has not done. I have been told he does not create separation between himself and defenders, he is not aggressive for the ball, and he does not use his body stature like a WR his size should.

Answer me this why did Turner not see time on the field for a team starving for help at WR and if Turner is so good why did Miami trade for a Beast like Marshall. I honestly believe Turner is not made for this league, he has struggled to catch on as a WR in a WR needy team and is a very poor special teamer. If Turner keeps it up he will not make the team.
 
FinAtic8480 said:
He was a third round selection not a second round selection. In preseason Turner had 7 receptions for 75 yards and 0 TDs. His longest catches were of 17 & 14 yards and averaged 10. 7 yards a catch. Those are ok numbers. This organization really believes in players who practice well, and that is something Turner has not done. I have been told he does not create separation between himself and defenders, he is not aggressive for the ball, and he does not use his body stature like a WR his size should.

Answer me this why did Turner not see time on the field for a team starving for help at WR and if Turner is so good why did Miami trade for a Beast like Marshall. I honestly believe Turner is not made for this league, he has struggled to catch on as a WR in a WR needy team and is a very poor special teamer. If Turner keeps it up he will not make the team.
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First off, nice catch on the draft selection. I often forget Sean Smith was our other 2nd round selection.

That said, as a third round selection, Turner is still too high a pick to assess as a total bust. I'm not saying the Phins should give him a free ride by any means, but I am arguing the case that he is still in the mix. Grice-Mullen should be excellent competition for the #5 spot, and I think Camarillo needs to fight hard, too, to keep his spot, as he is becoming more expendable thanks to Hartline.

Now to answer your question: Is lackluster practice performances and inability to get separation enough reason for Turner to not even dress during the season? I'm not totally sold on that as the explanation, but I'm also not a veteran fan of football and maybe it is a good reason. My suspicion has been that Turner didn't take Sparano's coaching/criticism particularly well and may have landed himself in the doghouse.

I do recall seeing the explanations you are citing as reason for him to not suit up last season. There are some good quotables from Sparano, and Henne also made it clear last season that Turner would be playing if he was better than our other guys. But, there is still lingering doubt in my mind about why this guy was selected in the 3rd round and then literally left off the team while remaining on the roster... for the entire season. Talk about an ouch. That sounds like a bit more in addition to poor practices and not getting the needed separation. Maybe the guy had a poor attitude last season.

It's all speculation, and I've come to expect that what we're told from the coaches is not always what the case is.

Lastly, I totally agree with you that if Turner doesn't turn over a new leaf with these coaches, he will be gone from the team. I simply think that he will fight much harder this year, that his attitude has changed, and that his raw physical ability is an edge he holds over our other receivers. I also think Grice-Mullen has a very good shot at nailing a spot on the team. You can deduct from that who I think had better be fully recovered and playing well...
 
FinAtic8480 said:
Rev I saw Ricky's Argo games and he just looked uncomfortable playing out there. He kept trying to be teams by running outside to no avail and was stuffed trying to run in between the tackles. I don't know what it was, but Ricky looked very uncomfortable running in the CFL and I remember another CFL running back making fun of him and telling him that this was not the CFL and that the CFL had better competition. I believe that running back was the CFL rushing leader that year.
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yeah he had so few carries he tried to hit a homerun every time... Still doesn't make a case for RGM or any of the other 200 American born and bred players who are on the cusp of the NFL
 
rev kev said:
yeah he had so few carries he tried to hit a homerun every time... Still doesn't make a case for RGM or any of the other 200 American born and bred players who are on the cusp of the NFL
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That is the worse answer you have given me in this discussion of ours. Ricky was dominated in Canada, period. I remember seeing Ricky's game as an Argo and thinking the guy has lost it. Im not trying to put Ricky down, he is one of the reason I am a fan of this sport, but I am not blind, Ricky did not play well in the CFL.
 
FinAtic8480 said:
That is the worse answer you have given me in this discussion of ours. Ricky was dominated in Canada, period. I remember seeing Ricky's game as an Argo and thinking the guy has lost it. Im not trying to put Ricky down, he is one of the reason I am a fan of this sport, but I am not blind, Ricky did not play well in the CFL.
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Here's something else to consider - in all my years of watching the CFL, I have yet to see a 230 lb running back dominate (possible exception, Jesse Lumsden, in 2007-08 when he wasn't injured, which wasn't often). The fact is, 5'9" - 5'11", 180 - 205 lb is the ideal size for a CFL running back. Elusiveness and the ability to use the big field, as well as have good hands are the keys. Power takes a back seat in the CFL - if you're big, that's great, you'll get 4 yards a pop - but unless you're speedy and elusive, that's all you'll get, as you get gang-tackled by a swarm of undersized but very fast defenders. Ricky was just not the right size/skill set to play in the CFL.

Now RGM, I don't think he's got any excuse. Supposedly with his speed and elusiveness he should've at least been a pretty good receiver and a great returner. But he was neither. I have no idea how he'll manage in the NFL. He's small, he's not that elusive (not like say, Stefan Logan, who was KR in BC prior to RGM and was much much much better. Much.), he's not strong on the ball, and from what I've seen, his hands are suspect. I just don't get it. Oh well, maybe he'll pull something out of his nether regions and somehow make the team. We'll see... :ponder:
 
GasPed said:
Here's something else to consider - in all my years of watching the CFL, I have yet to see a 230 lb running back dominate (possible exception, Jesse Lumsden, in 2007-08 when he wasn't injured, which wasn't often). The fact is, 5'9" - 5'11", 180 - 205 lb is the ideal size for a CFL running back. Elusiveness and the ability to use the big field, as well as have good hands are the keys. Power takes a back seat in the CFL - if you're big, that's great, you'll get 4 yards a pop - but unless you're speedy and elusive, that's all you'll get, as you get gang-tackled by a swarm of undersized but very fast defenders. Ricky was just not the right size/skill set to play in the CFL.

Now RGM, I don't think he's got any excuse. Supposedly with his speed and elusiveness he should've at least been a pretty good receiver and a great returner. But he was neither. I have no idea how he'll manage in the NFL. He's small, he's not that elusive (not like say, Stefan Logan, who was KR in BC prior to RGM and was much much much better. Much.), he's not strong on the ball, and from what I've seen, his hands are suspect. I just don't get it. Oh well, maybe he'll pull something out of his nether regions and somehow make the team. We'll see... :ponder:
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I truly believe RGM came out to early and has suffered from it. Everything you said might be true, but I won't accept his hands being suspect. Guy has stick-em for hands. Sparano praised him for it during the mini camps.

Like I have said, we will find at the end of camp if RGM will make the team or not, but till then I will root him every step of the way. Dolphins had to have seen something to sign him.
 
RGM is a Dolphin now, so I wish him the best. I believe it will be a knock-down-drag-out fight for the last receiver spot. Bring your popcorn (and no, I am NOT asking for T.O.!!!!)...
 
mikethewreck said:
RGM is a Dolphin now, so I wish him the best. I believe it will be a knock-down-drag-out fight for the last receiver spot. Bring your popcorn (and no, I am NOT asking for T.O.!!!!)...
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Totally agree, it will be one of the most interesting battles in camp. The other two tough battle will be at QB & FS.
 
The other two tough battle will be at QB & FS.
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I assume you mean backup QB. I would add LB to your list.

They asked Bess about bringing in RGM so the Phins have that much respect for what Bess says. Bess thinks has has a great shot.
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I had thought at first RGM and Bess' college connection wasn't important. I think it may be a big factor after all. One of the best ways to improve your craft is to teach your craft. As Bess has been extensively coaching RGM, that will help his game to get better. Also I think RGM is VERY motivated to make it here in Miami. I don't know where his mind was at up north, but I think he knows this is his last best chance to be a NFL player. We'll see here in a few weeks just how he stacks up to the other candidates at WR.

I just hope if RGM DOESN'T make it that Bess' focus will not be affected by losing his play buddy. I think he is professional enough to not be distracted.
 
It sure helps RGM that on the first day of OTA's Patrick Turner is on a stationary bike.
 
On the Turner front the issue is different.

Turner is not an accomplished player. The issue with him is whether or not he's going to get enough work this offseason to make the significant and necessary personal improvement to compete for a job in training camp.

Sure, one needs to worry about his ability to get in synch with Henne also. But the greater worry for Turner is whether he can carve a niche for himself on the roster first and the gameday roster second. He was unable to earn a spot on the gameday roster consistently as a rookie and didn't figure at all in the offense.

So he needs to get better. Can he do that in training camp? After not working much this offseason? While coming back from some unknown surgery?

I don't like his chances.
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http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolp...ry-out-until-training-camp.html#ixzz0oOqx4hjJ

The chances for RGM continue to improve.
 
AgentXof12 said:
I like RGM. But I'd rather he win the position because he's just that good... rather than RGM making the team because Turner is really cruddy.

May the best man win, though. :)
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I have seen RGM enough to know he has talent, I think the guy needs a break and I hope he gets his big break with our Miami Dolphins.
 
FinAtic8480 said:
That is the worse answer you have given me in this discussion of ours. Ricky was dominated in Canada, period. I remember seeing Ricky's game as an Argo and thinking the guy has lost it. Im not trying to put Ricky down, he is one of the reason I am a fan of this sport, but I am not blind, Ricky did not play well in the CFL.
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Dude take the RGM homer glasses off and look up RWs stats and the number of carries he received..., study the CFL game a little more..., and read my posts again from weeks ago..., RW did not play well in the CFL he also was not used very well..., yes he ran to the sidelines trying to hit a homerun each carry..., he got injured early - freakishly and never lived up to the hype..., RGM another story..., and certainly not as good as Logan..., RGm having his own personal thread is ridiculous...
 
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