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Miami Defense: QBs Beaten vs Loss to Since 2020

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Can we talk about how Flores is overrated in his specialty of defense?

Take a look:

WINS:

2020 WEEK 2 Gardner Minshew- 30/42 275 yds, INT (W 31-13)
2020 WEEK 5 C.J. Beathard/Jimmy Garoppolo- 16/35 128 yds 1 TD, 2 INT (W 43-17)
2020 WEEK 6 Joe Flacco 21-44, 186 YDS, 1 INT (W 24-0)
2020 WEEK 8 Jared Goff 35-61, 355 YDS, 1 TD, 2 INT (W 28-17)
2020 WEEK 9 Kyler Murray 21-26, 283 YDS, 3 TD (34-31)
2020 WEEK 10 Justin Herbert 20-32, 187 YDS, 2 TD, 1 INT (W 29-21)
2020 WEEK 12 Sam Darnold 16-27, 197 YDS, 2 INT (W 20-3)
2020 WEEK 13 Brandon Allen 11-19, 153 YDS, 1 TD, 1 INT (W 19-7)
2020 WEEK 15 Cam Newton 17-27, 209 YDS (W 22-12)
2020 WEEK 16 Derek Carr 21-34, 336 YDS, 1 TD (W 26-25)
2021 WEEK 1 Mac Jones 29-39, 281 YDS, 1 TD (W 17-16)
2021 WEEK 9 Tyrod Taylor 24-43, 240 YDS, 3 INT (W 17-9)
2021 WEEK 10 Lamar Jackson 26-43, 238 YDS, 1 TD, 1 INT (W 22-10)
2021 WEEK 11 Joe Flacco 24-39, 291 YDS, 2 TD (W 24-17)
2021 WEEK 12 Cam Newton/PJ Walker 10/31, 134 YDS, 3 INT (W 33-10)
2021 WEEK 13 Mike Glennon 23-44, 187 YDS, 1 INT (W 20-9)
2021 WEEK 15 Zach Wilson 13-23, 170 YDS (W 31-24)
2021 WEEK 16 Ian Book 12-20, 135 YDS, 2 INT (W 20-3)

TOTALS: 369/629, 3985 YDS, 13 TDS, 20 INT QBR 71.0, 58.6 COMP %

MIA PT DIFF: +216

LOSSES:

2020 WEEK 1 Cam Newton 15-19, 155 YDS (L 21-11)
2020 WEEK 2 Josh Allen 24-35, 417 YDS, 4 TD (L 31-28)
2020 WEEK 4 Russell Wilson 24-34, 360 YDS, 2 TD, 1 INT (L 31-23)
2020 WEEK 11 Drew Lock 18-30, 270 YDS, 1 INT (L 20-13)
2020 WEEK 14 Patrick Mahomes 24-34, 393 YDS, 2 TD, 3 INT (L 33-27)
2020 WEEK 17 Josh Allen 18-25, 224 YDS, 3 TD, 1 INT (L 56-26)
2021 WEEK 2 Josh Allen 17-33, 179 YDS, 2 TD, 1 INT (L 35-0)
2021 WEEK 3 Derek Carr 26-43, 386 YDS, 2 TD, 1 INT (L 31-28 OT)
2021 WEEK 4 Carson Wentz 24-32, 228 YDS, 2 TD (L 27-17)
2021 WEEK 5 Tom Brady 30-41, 411 YDS, 5 TD (L 45-17)
2021 WEEK 6 Trevor Lawrence 25-41, 319 YDS, 1 TD (L 23-20)
2021 WEEK 7 Matt Ryan 25-40, 336 YDS, 2 TD, 1 INT (L 30-28)
2021 WEEK 8 Josh Allen 29-42, 249 YDS, 2 TD (L 26-11)
2021 WEEK 17 Ryan Tannehill 13-18, 120 YDS, 2 TD (L 34-3)

TOTALS: 312/467, 4047 YDS, 29 TDS, 9 INTS QBR 106.5, 66.8 COMP %

MIA PT DIFF: -191

Now there are some outliers on both sides: Miami did beat 2 of the better QBs in Murray and Jackson but they also lost to so-so QBs in Trevor Lawrence and Drew Lock. But for the most part, going up against any above average QB is almost a guaranteed loss for Miami.

In this league today, the only way to consistently beat teams with upper echelon QBs is to either have an elite defense, or strong QB play to keep up with them. Miami currently does not have either. Now They did show glimpses of this...when they beat Arizona they had a defensive score, and strong QB play as Tua played what is still the best game of his career. Against Jackson the defense was elite on that night and had a defensive score. But when the QB play is inconsistent and Flores' defense can't figure out how to confuse experienced QBs Miami will continue to be a borderline playoff team. Flores has at the very least got to do better with the defense. It's not good enough. How much should really get credit for the defense in his New England days?
 
Fins1971 said:
Good work. Yeah was noticing same issue.
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I will say though if you look at those numbers, the defense somewhat is at least containing the some of the better QBs but eventually these QBs will figure it out and beat you on critical plays especially when your offense can't move the ball and these Qbs are given short fields as we saw against Tennessee. But still overall Flores' defense fails vs these QBs more often than not
 
I agree. Defense needs to be more consistent - In our losses teams scored an average of 33.4 points against us. We need to get that down.

We all know our offense is below average. Immediate attention should be on improving that and maintaining this D even though it's not perfect.

In half of our loses we were within one score of a win or a tie. A little bit more O for this team is a big difference maker. It will also keep the ball out of the opposing teams hands which will make it easier on the D.
 
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This has been a common theme for a couple decades. You have to have a winning record against the good teams. If you don't you get a playoff appearance once every 6 years.
 
Fins1971 said:
This has been a common theme for a couple decades. You have to have a winning record against the good teams. If you don't you get a playoff appearance once every 6 years.
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I still can't believe a once proud franchise hasn't had a playoff win since 2000. Over 5 presidents ago.
 
Dolph N.Fan said:
I still can't believe a once proud franchise hasn't had a playoff win since 2000. Over 5 presidents ago.
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Still remember that win. And the shutout that followed the following week. A long 20 years......
 
Fins1971 said:
Still remember that win. And the shutout that followed the following week. A long 20 years......
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Yeah it used to be playoffs and 1st rd win was a given, it was just not getting blown out in RD2 that was the problem: 38-3 L @ DEN, 27-0 L @ OAK, 62-7 L @ JAX etc
 
well, the defense is overrated for sure but the fact is that unless our offense becomes a high scoring offense it won't matter what our defense does. It's not the 80's anymore....you need a high scoring offense and we're not even close to having one.
 
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Thing is most defense wont beat the good offenses on their own... You also need a good offense for those.
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You have to have an elite defense, which is hard to build nowadays with the rules. Not going to see many more 2000 Ravens defense or Legion of Boom types anymore. But the Flores so far has not put a defense together that shows up vs the better QBs
 
Dolph N.Fan said:
Can we talk about how Flores is overrated in his specialty of defense?

Take a look:

WINS:

2020 WEEK 2 Gardner Minshew- 30/42 275 yds, INT (W 31-13)
2020 WEEK 5 C.J. Beathard/Jimmy Garoppolo- 16/35 128 yds 1 TD, 2 INT (W 43-17)
2020 WEEK 6 Joe Flacco 21-44, 186 YDS, 1 INT (W 24-0)
2020 WEEK 8 Jared Goff 35-61, 355 YDS, 1 TD, 2 INT (W 28-17)
2020 WEEK 9 Kyler Murray 21-26, 283 YDS, 3 TD (34-31)
2020 WEEK 10 Justin Herbert 20-32, 187 YDS, 2 TD, 1 INT (W 29-21)
2020 WEEK 12 Sam Darnold 16-27, 197 YDS, 2 INT (W 20-3)
2020 WEEK 13 Brandon Allen 11-19, 153 YDS, 1 TD, 1 INT (W 19-7)
2020 WEEK 15 Cam Newton 17-27, 209 YDS (W 22-12)
2020 WEEK 16 Derek Carr 21-34, 336 YDS, 1 TD (W 26-25)
2021 WEEK 1 Mac Jones 29-39, 281 YDS, 1 TD (W 17-16)
2021 WEEK 9 Tyrod Taylor 24-43, 240 YDS, 3 INT (W 17-9)
2021 WEEK 10 Lamar Jackson 26-43, 238 YDS, 1 TD, 1 INT (W 22-10)
2021 WEEK 11 Joe Flacco 24-39, 291 YDS, 2 TD (W 24-17)
2021 WEEK 12 Cam Newton/PJ Walker 10/31, 134 YDS, 3 INT (W 33-10)
2021 WEEK 13 Mike Glennon 23-44, 187 YDS, 1 INT (W 20-9)
2021 WEEK 15 Zach Wilson 13-23, 170 YDS (W 31-24)
2021 WEEK 16 Ian Book 12-20, 135 YDS, 2 INT (W 20-3)

TOTALS: 369/629, 3985 YDS, 13 TDS, 20 INT QBR 71.0, 58.6 COMP %

MIA PT DIFF: +216

LOSSES:

2020 WEEK 1 Cam Newton 15-19, 155 YDS (L 21-11)
2020 WEEK 2 Josh Allen 24-35, 417 YDS, 4 TD (L 31-28)
2020 WEEK 4 Russell Wilson 24-34, 360 YDS, 2 TD, 1 INT (L 31-23)
2020 WEEK 11 Drew Lock 18-30, 270 YDS, 1 INT (L 20-13)
2020 WEEK 14 Patrick Mahomes 24-34, 393 YDS, 2 TD, 3 INT (L 33-27)
2020 WEEK 17 Josh Allen 18-25, 224 YDS, 3 TD, 1 INT (L 56-26)
2021 WEEK 2 Josh Allen 17-33, 179 YDS, 2 TD, 1 INT (L 35-0)
2021 WEEK 3 Derek Carr 26-43, 386 YDS, 2 TD, 1 INT (L 31-28 OT)
2021 WEEK 4 Carson Wentz 24-32, 228 YDS, 2 TD (L 27-17)
2021 WEEK 5 Tom Brady 30-41, 411 YDS, 5 TD (L 45-17)
2021 WEEK 6 Trevor Lawrence 25-41, 319 YDS, 1 TD (L 23-20)
2021 WEEK 7 Matt Ryan 25-40, 336 YDS, 2 TD, 1 INT (L 30-28)
2021 WEEK 8 Josh Allen 29-42, 249 YDS, 2 TD (L 26-11)
2021 WEEK 17 Ryan Tannehill 13-18, 120 YDS, 2 TD (L 34-3)

TOTALS: 312/467, 4047 YDS, 29 TDS, 9 INTS QBR 106.5, 66.8 COMP %

MIA PT DIFF: -191

Now there are some outliers on both sides: Miami did beat 2 of the better QBs in Murray and Jackson but they also lost to so-so QBs in Trevor Lawrence and Drew Lock. But for the most part, going up against any above average QB is almost a guaranteed loss for Miami.

In this league today, the only way to consistently beat teams with upper echelon QBs is to either have an elite defense, or strong QB play to keep up with them. Miami currently does not have either. Now They did show glimpses of this...when they beat Arizona they had a defensive score, and strong QB play as Tua played what is still the best game of his career. Against Jackson the defense was elite on that night and had a defensive score. But when the QB play is inconsistent and Flores' defense can't figure out how to confuse experienced QBs Miami will continue to be a borderline playoff team. Flores has at the very least got to do better with the defense. It's not good enough. How much should really get credit for the defense in his New England days?
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Well - in previous regimes we lost to guys like Thad Lewis. We don’t do that anymore. Your defense can still be great and lose to these QBs. In fact most of these games the D held until the fourth quarter. Our offense needs to score more points. With top tier QB play of our own our defense would be even better.
 
Fix the offense and this drastically changes, we can't expect to beat teams with defense only. We need to get this Oline fixed asap or we'll be looking at the same season as always. #1 offseason acquisition should be a proven Oline coach, over pay this position!

I also don't believe we need a great run game, just one that can compliment the RPO and pound it when needed. Add a FA receiver that was suppose to be Fuller's role and draft another receiver in the mid rounds. I get 2 solid Oline vet's in FA, don't need to be probowlers or paid like probowlers. Allow our young olineman to fight it out for the remaining spots and make sure we have depth there.
I would also continue to load up on Defense through the draft, we seem to be stronger in the draft selecting defensive players so keep going to our strength.
 
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