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Miami Dolphins coach Joe Philbin not fazed by players’ criticism

Da Phinishisher said:
I tell ya, the lack of eye contact again in that picture has me concerned. I know many don't think its a big deal but think of it this way: When he interviewed for the job, do you think he was staring at the ground when speaking?

Hopefully it doesn't mean anything but when I've had sit downs with bosses in the past, the good ones were more engaging to convey their message than what I'm seeing with Philbin.
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Lack of EYE CONTACT? In a SNAPSHOT of the conversation? Are you kidding me? Geez, go watch Days of Our Lives or Guiding Light or something while the Dolphins build a winning team. For heaven's sake !!! :rolleyes:
 
Da Phinishisher said:
I guess you haven't watched hard knocks yet.
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I did. I am also a communications major and have worked in some form of professional communications my entire career of 35 years. You are casting snippets of conversation that you have witnessed as valid evidence of Philbin's effectiveness as a communicator with his players. If you tried to use that "evidence" in a thesis to prove any point concerning communications theory, you would be laughed out of the classroom or office. As was said earlier by another replier to this thread, this eye contact thing is making a Mt. Everest out of a nearly flat molehill. If you want to analyze something, why don't you wait until we have some real evidence, such as the results of those communications between Philbin and his players? ALL of the communications? Speaking of which, we have no way of knowing what fraction we've witnessed of the total conversations. We don't know what he's said to these players in total in private or in team meetings, which he stated today, they have every day. How many conversations did Philbin have with these players on these subjects that we are completely unaware of? The bottom line is, we just don't know. There is not enough data to form any conclusions. So, my opinion is that you are CREATING your own data by making unfounded assumptions. I bet you are a joy to work with in the office.
 
No matter how you would like for him to have spoken to Chad, when Johnson didn't listen, he laid the gauntlet down.. So, If I were Dansby, I wouldn't be to concerned at the fact he did look at me directly in the eye to get his point across. Words can be very powerful no matter how it's delivered, just as Tony Dungy.. If you think about Joe's coaching style who he most reminds me of, it would have to definitely be Dungy..
 
ATL_PHIN_FAN said:
I did. I am also a communications major and have worked in some form of professinal communications my entire career of 35 years. You are casting snippets of conversation that you have witnessed as valid evidence of Philbin's effectiveness as a communicator with his players. If you tried to use that "evidence" in a thesis to prove any point concerning communications theory, you would be laughed out of the classroom or office. As was said earlier by another replier to this thread, this eye contact thing is making a Mt. Everest out of a nearly flat molehill. If you want to analyze something, why don't you wait until we have some real evidence, such as the results of those communications between Philbin and his players? ALL of the communications? Which we have no way of knowing if we even have a fraction of what he's said to these players in private or in team meetings, which he stated today, they have every day.
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only cosmologists are as prolific as some posters around here for (unwittingly) basing wild speculation solely on prejudiced assumptions.
 
CRAZYDOLFAN305 said:
No matter how you would like for him to have spoken to Chad, when Johnson didn't listen, he laid the gauntlet down.. So, If I were Dansby, I wouldn't be to concerned at the fact he did look at me directly in the eye to get his point across. Words can be very powerful no matter how it's delivered, just as Tony Dungy.. If you think about Joe's coaching style who he most reminds me of, it would have to definitely be Dungy..
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I don't think Dansby has anything to worry about. Remember his post practice comments were right on point, and towed the "company line."

There are many different ways of effective communication. The fact. That "the conversation" happened on the practice field in view of everyone, including cameras, shouldn't be disputed. It sends a signal from Philbin, that he's approachable and non confrontational, or doctoral. Smart move.

My impression from Dansby's after practice comments Is that he respects Philbin.

But let's also remember, Rosenberg really did try and goad Dansby into saying something controversial. He pushed and pushed, and really tried to set Dansby up. If you listened to the interviews after, he played tDansby's sound bite over and over, and tried to make something of it. Dansby handled himself well and professionally.
 
Clearly Danbsy is in a passive/guilty pose with his hands behind his back with Philbin articulating with his typical hand gestures his point. Both men are looking down, while one is getting disciplined.

It's not Philbin's style to get in to Dansby's face. He's a grown man making millions, he doesn't need to be yelled as if some little boy. If he can't figure out right from wrong in this context, he has no business being part of this championship rebuilding effort. I still believe that this is Jeff Ireland's fault. He's amassed a collection of complete bums that can't even put together a winning season (haven't done so for the last 3 seasons and counting).

What would have Sparano done? Probably nothing and let his players walk over him.
 
God I am so glad we have Philbin as our HC, he knows his stuff!!! You can see the experience from GB...good hire by the FO
 
ATL_PHIN_FAN said:
I did. I am also a communications major and have worked in some form of professional communications my entire career of 35 years. You are casting snippets of conversation that you have witnessed as valid evidence of Philbin's effectiveness as a communicator with his players. If you tried to use that "evidence" in a thesis to prove any point concerning communications theory, you would be laughed out of the classroom or office. As was said earlier by another replier to this thread, this eye contact thing is making a Mt. Everest out of a nearly flat molehill. If you want to analyze something, why don't you wait until we have some real evidence, such as the results of those communications between Philbin and his players? ALL of the communications? Speaking of which, we have no way of knowing what fraction we've witnessed of the total conversations. We don't know what he's said to these players in total in private or in team meetings, which he stated today, they have every day. How many conversations did Philbin have with these players on these subjects that we are completely unaware of? The bottom line is, we just don't know. There is not enough data to form any conclusions. So, my opinion is that you are CREATING your own data by making unfounded assumptions. I bet you are a joy to work with in the office.
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I only stated my opinion and that to me it is concerning. I never said that he would fail because of it or he's a bad coach. I only comment on what I have seen because neither of us know the behind the scenes. He could terrible, he could be Tony Robbins.My position as you describe it is not so but I can understand your need to create the straw man to make your point.

I really want him to succeed I'm just not fully homering up and ignoring some correct able deficiencies he currently has. I think you've incorrectly identified me as some kind of hater and you should take things at face value and not project your insecurities regarding Philbin on me.
 
enigmatics said:
I said "can come off" .... what part of that didn't you read?

Regardless when you want to deliver a message, look somebody in the eye. Can you imagine giving a job interview and you're supposed to drive home why you're the best candidate but you're off staring around the room instead of at your future employer? No. How about if the employer you're interviewing with is off looking somewhere else while you two are talking ..... would anything get accomplished? No.

Logic ..... and not the fan forum kind.
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Interesting. You get challenged and you go straight to defense and condescension. That screams insecure far more loudly than not maintaining eye contact. But hey, what do I know? I'm only a clinical psychologist.

Trying to compare a job interview and talking to someone about conflict are so different, it blows my mind that you're trying to compare the two. In fact, it makes me think you're purposely looking for things to bitch and complain about. Judging by your M.O. on this forum, I'd say that's exactly what you're doing. You may have taken dlockz' title for site's biggest contrary mary...
 
To me it's about his actions that will or will not make him effective. He told Chad to toe the line and what his expectations were. Chad chose not to listen and Philbin kicked him to the curb. A man of his word. Well done Joe.

While I tend to agree that he lacked some presence with Chad on the Hard Knocks conversion, I think part of that had to do with the time and place. He walked up to Chad on the field and stood beside him. This wasn't a conversation he had in an office face to face in an interview format.

Regardless, there are all kinds of different coaches and personalities. Joe Torre, Bill Walsh, and Dick Vermeil rarely raise a voice or went into swearing tirades. They were always calm and treated players like men. They all got rings. Guys like Billy Martin, Lou Pinella, Bill Parcells, Mike Ditka, would tear you up at he drop of a hat and commanded teams like dictators. All have rings. Just proves there is more that one way to skin a cat.
 
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