Miami Dolphins has the worst front office in the NFL

[fansinceGWilson]

Well, I think the ranking could be debated but the fact is there was only one QB worth drafting in 2009. The rest were flops. It definitely was NOT a year to be trading up for a QB. If I remember correctly, Sanchez carried a much lower grade than the 5th overall spot where he was selected. A great example of why not to draft for need. (In the grand scheme of things, he didn't give up much to move that far. Swap of the 17th and the 52nd pick and a bunch of average players.) In hindsight, he would have been better off to just keep Chad Pennington. He got a one year rental of Brett Favre who had a terrible year and a 9-7 record only to miss the playoffs. Then he selects Sanchez who makes advances to the AFC Championship as a rookie with 12 td's and 20 ints AND the exact same regular season record as 2008. The Jets then make the playoffs (lose AFC) after going 11-5 with Sanchez throwing for only 17 TD's and 13 int's. They had success despite QB play. The guy was never accurate but benefited from good defense and running game. The ironic part is that in 2011, Sanchez had his best year with 3500/26/18 and they only won 8 games. Truth is he was never that good. Had around a 55% completion rate over 4 years and just happened to fit in with what the rest of the team was doing well. I'm not sure what having Gase and VJ's fingerprints on the draft class means exactly but I don't think they weren't recommending specific players. I think they told the GM what "type" of player they want to fit the scheme and then Mike and company goes and identifies them/selects them.

I think we generally agree. Not saying Sanchez was seen as a top QB, but he was 1st or 2nd ranked QB. Much like this year, top 2 QBs weren't ranked high overall, but there's always a team that wants a QB. We can argue BPA al day, but real world is, teams with bad QBs will draft a QB if at all possible. Here is where we disagree . . . a little. I think Gase/VJ/CC had more than a 'here's my type' input. I suspect they had heavy input in the ranking of players, the priority of needs, and interviews. Not saying 'baum didn't have significant say, but he can't afford to go on his own with draft picks and have them blow up on him. I think Gase and staff recommended players, but they were a part of the selection group, not the controlling hand.

 

[nyjunc]

I don't understand the berating some give 'baum for the Sanchez pick. He was ranked as the 1st/2nd best QB in his draft by about everyone. It isn't as if he moved up for Pat White. And the Jets needed a QB. For the record, I'm not a 'baum fan, but the draft picks were said to have Gase's and VJ's fingerprints all over them. If all these guys bust, it isn't all on 'baum. My biggest complaint to date was signing so many players with injury histories.

and he gave up virtually nothing to move up to get him. his problem was not surrounding the QB w/ enough talent after the first 2 years than the QB itself. he seems to have learned from his mistake as he keeps adding quality pieces around your QB.

 

[fansinceGWilson]

and he gave up virtually nothing to move up to get him. his problem was not surrounding the QB w/ enough talent after the first 2 years than the QB itself. he seems to have learned from his mistake as he keeps adding quality pieces around your QB.

From an outsider, it always seemed, excluding Farve, Rex wanted his QB to be a game manager in the Neil O'Donnell mold. Let the D do it's work and have a QB who can get two TDs/game and a few FGs. You're right about lacking supporting talent.

 

[dlockz]

and he gave up virtually nothing to move up to get him. his problem was not surrounding the QB w/ enough talent after the first 2 years than the QB itself. he seems to have learned from his mistake as he keeps adding quality pieces around your QB.

Actually his problem is Sanchez is a very inaccurate qb and all of his other talents cannot make up for that simple fact. I guess the Jets could have went to a much shorter passing game to make up for this.

 

[psfign]

I guess I get why Tannenbaum doesn't get the benefit of the doubt around here, but to me, so far so good. The Eagles trade is looking masterful so far, but we still need to see how Maxwell and Alonzo play to really say for sure. But, I have no complaints at this point.

 

[Atila]

Anyone who doesn't think we have a bottom 5 front office is clueless. It remains to be seen what Gase and his coaches will get accomplished but you can't give them a higher ranking based on your bias of their potential.

 

[Mogwai]

Until they prove something this pack of misfits definitely belongs in the discussion for worst. From what I've seen so far though Tbum is not the worst we've had in our recent history. The man got miraculously lucky with the Tunsil move, but there have been some other moderately savvy moves as well. He hasn't been good, but he's made some moves that might turn out. We'll see.

 

[roy_miami]

Until they prove something this pack of misfits definitely belongs in the discussion for worst. From what I've seen so far though Tbum is not the worst we've had in our recent history. The man got miraculously lucky with the Tunsil move, but there have been some other moderately savvy moves as well. He hasn't been good, but he's made some moves that might turn out. We'll see.

I honestly can't think of a single one. I can think of 5 or 6 really dumb moves off the top of my head, but savvy? Maybe Mario would qualify, but even thats a wait and see if he returns to form type situation.

 

[Mogwai]

Yeah well I mean i'm setting a really low bar for savvy. Mario and picking up Ifo. There's upside in those moves at low cost. That's about it but it's better than nothing.

 

[nyjunc]

From an outsider, it always seemed, excluding Farve, Rex wanted his QB to be a game manager in the Neil O'Donnell mold. Let the D do it's work and have a QB who can get two TDs/game and a few FGs. You're right about lacking supporting talent.

he just wanted a guy who could make plays in a big spot and keep it close. the first couple of years we had talent on O then the O was torn apart. In 2012 Chaz Schilens, Stephen Hill and Clyde Gates were the main WRs. That was Mike's biggest problem BUT in his defense they went for it, had to bit the bullet for a year(supposed to be 2012) then would have been able to make some moves going into '13 and '14. Mike never saw '13 then the next GM was saving for the '15 offseason which he never saw and Maccagnan benefitted.

Anyone who doesn't think we have a bottom 5 front office is clueless. It remains to be seen what Gase and his coaches will get accomplished but you can't give them a higher ranking based on your bias of their potential.

I think the folks that are clueless are the ones not giving a new front office a chance, they have been on the job for just over a year and it seems to me Miami is a lot more talent now than when they took over.

 

[psfign]

Anyone who doesn't AGREE WITH ME is clueless. It remains to be seen what Gase and his coaches will get accomplished but you can't give them a higher ranking based on your bias of their potential.

Fixed it for you

 

[Eesti]

I think we generally agree. Here is where we disagree . . . a little. I think Gase/VJ/CC had more than a 'here's my type' input. I suspect they had heavy input in the ranking of players, the priority of needs, and interviews. Not saying 'baum didn't have significant say, but he can't afford to go on his own with draft picks and have them blow up on him. I think Gase and staff recommended players, but they were a part of the selection group, not the controlling hand.

I am not exactly an insider but here is why I disagree....

1. Coaches do not have the time to dissect college film. They are pouring over their current players to make assessments, formatting their off-season schedules, making plans for position coaches. There is just not enough time in the day/off-season to evaluate 90 players currently on the roster, an entire group of free agents as well as the entire draft class. I find it hard to believe that Gase or Joseph could put in the kind of effort it would take to make an informed evaluation on this years crop of recruits. Scouts do it full time, all year long. Even when coaches are game planning during the season. They are more in tune and informed.

2. "MT can't afford to go on his own with draft picks"?. I say he can't afford NOT to do it. His declaration was that the draft followed Chris Grier's draft board to the "t". Looking at the way we draft for value over need, I would have to agree. I don't see him putting his job on the line for the sake of a guy who doesn't do college evaluations full time. I also think he has too much ego to relinquish that sort of control to a first time HC.

3. Tannenbaum came out and said how the draft/FA would work beforehand. The coaches tell what type of player they need and the scouts find that player. Grier/MT rank those players. Mike picks those players.

Not that you can always believe what GM's tell you but I do in this case.