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Miami Dolphins may move Mike Wallace around in offense to be more effective

He has really long strides and within 10 yards he is not THAT fast. Watch him catch screens he doesnt start outrunning guys until about 15 yards

Mike Wallace's acceleration is actually very good. His 1.43 10 yard split would have been the fastest at this year's combine iirc. The problem is his ability to decelerate and change directions laterally. His 4.27 shuttle and 6.90 3 cone time at the combine speak to that as both are very average numbers. There were at least 26 receivers who ran a faster shuttle at this year's combine and at least 18 who ran a faster 3 cone.
 
I am all for opening up our offense and getting more big plays, etc., but Wallace doesn't give me a lot of confidence when it comes to fighting for contested or poorly thrown balls. Let me put it another way. If the game is on the line and I need a 1st down, unless it's a busted play and he is wide open, I am not going to Wallace.
 
Wallace is soft.

Tannehill can't hit him deep.

Tannehill will be done as starter after next year.

End of discussion.
 
Wallace is soft.

Tannehill can't hit him deep.

Tannehill will be done as starter after next year.

End of discussion.

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What Wallace needs in reality is a pro bowl qb so he can set the NFL record for touchdowns without breaking a sweat. Nothing is ever Wallace's fault he is open every time .
Please ignore his time with pro bowl quarterback Rotlisberger although it was all Rothlisberger's fault that he didn't break the record.
 
The problem with moving Wallace around is twofold, imo:

1. He doesn't run a variety of routes well. Wallace is tremendously fast in a straight line, but like a lot of fast guys he's long legged and has a long stride, which hurts his quickness. This is part of the reason why he's not a threat on precise routes or timing routes generally (he's also lazy, imo, at least in his route running). That makes him predictable for the defense. Are you worried about Wallace running a jerk route, or out and ups, in and outs, in cuts or out cuts? Not particularly. When he runs those routes he looks average, usually below average. With Wallace you have to worry about the post, the flag, the go and the drag... and to a lesser extent the speed out. That's where he's at his best.

There's a reason you tend to see quicker receivers who have long speed deficiencies playing inside the hashes. It's a quick, precise game in there, or a game for physically dominating guys (like tight ends). That is the exact opposite of who Wallace is and what he does well. If you put him inside a lot defensive coordinators are just going to pat you on the back for making their jobs easier.
I'll take the words of Ryan Tannehill and Brent Grimes over yours when it comes to Mike Wallace route running ability.
Ryan Tannehill on Mike Wallace
"He's a better route runner than I think he gets credit for a lot of times," Tannehill said. "Coming in, everyone was just saying he's a deep threat. Of course he brings that to the table — he has tremendous speed and he's able to get downfield for us — but he has improved a lot in his route running just since he has been here. We are comfortable with him running any route in the playbook, so he is not just a deep threat. He's an all-around receiver."
http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2013/...e-helps-miami-dolphins-get-off-to-fast-start/
Brent Grimes on Mike Wallace
So what do the Dolphins' cornerbacks think? Richard Marshall said: “He runs better routes than some might think.” And Brent Grimes added: “It’s not, ‘If I can’t get the deep ball, I can’t do anything else.’ He has good hands, can run other routes. He’s not a one-trick pony.”
http://miamiherald.typepad.com/spor...ryan-visits-chad-more-from-riley-marlins.html
2. Keeping Wallace on the right side of the formation makes things easier for Tannehill. Like every right handed quarterback, Tannehill is measurably more accurate throwing to his right than throwing to his left. I don't have the numbers on Tannehill right in front of me but it's a marked trend around the league and he shows the same thing. So... if you're going to make the mistake in giving a receiver like Mike Wallace $12 million per year, you probably should keep him on the side of the field where your quarterback is more accurate to try and get the most out of that pairing.

This whole issue is a red herring, imo.
I'm not so sure about that. According to ESPN, Tannehill was more accurate throwing to the left side of the formation than he was to the right.
Tannehill threw more to the right side but he was more accurate throwing to his left.
 
I'll take the words of Ryan Tannehill and Brent Grimes over yours when it comes to Mike Wallace route running ability.
Ryan Tannehill on Mike Wallace

http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2013/...e-helps-miami-dolphins-get-off-to-fast-start/
Brent Grimes on Mike Wallace

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/spor...ryan-visits-chad-more-from-riley-marlins.html

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What do you expect them to say? Assume for a minute that they're not idiots and can see what is plainly evident when Wallace tries running the kind of precision routes I'm referring to -- the kind of routes that are more common inside the hash marks. What are they going to say? That he's limited, that he doesn't run routes at precise depths, that he takes extra steps? C'mon.

I'd love to know what they actually think, what they'd say in private. But their public statements are honestly not worth that much on this kind of an issue. Whether they really believe it or they don't, what they say publicly isn't going to change.

I'm not so sure about that. According to ESPN, Tannehill was more accurate throwing to the left side of the formation than he was to the right.
Tannehill threw more to the right side but he was more accurate throwing to his left.

Well, there is a difference between the accuracy of aimed passes and completion percentage, but I already did the tabulations for Tannehill and -- as I've already posted -- he completed 57% of his passes throwing to his left and 60% throwing to his right. If he was actually more accurate throwing to his left... then what the heck was happening to his left?

FWIW he also had an overall negative PFF grade throwing to his left and a positive pff grade throwing to his right. His grade throwing to the middle of the field was highest of all, however. And that makes perfect sense. He was most comfortable throwing to the middle of the field in college, too.
 
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What do you expect them to say? Assume for a minute that they're not idiots and can see what is plainly evident when Wallace tries running the kind of precision routes I'm referring to -- the kind of routes that are more common inside the hash marks. What are they going to say? That he's limited, that he doesn't run routes at precise depths, that he takes extra steps? C'mon.

I'd love to know what they actually think, what they'd say in private. But their public statements are honestly not worth that much on this kind of an issue. Whether they really believe it or they don't, what they say publicly isn't going to change.
Ah yes, the obligatory "what do you expect them to say" when players say things that contradict what I've been saying.

I prefer to assume you are not an idiot than to assume that about Tannehill and Grimes. These players see Wallace everyday in practice and knows more about his abilities than you and I do so I trust what they say over anything you may speculate on.
Well, there is a difference between the accuracy of aimed passes and completion percentage, but I already did the tabulations for Tannehill and -- as I've already posted -- he completed 57% of his passes throwing to his left and 60% throwing to his right. If he was actually more accurate throwing to his left... then what the heck was happening to his left?

FWIW he also had an overall negative PFF grade throwing to his left and a positive pff grade throwing to his right. His grade throwing to the middle of the field was highest of all, however. And that makes perfect sense. He was most comfortable throwing to the middle of the field in college, too.
As I said, ESPN had it different.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/splits/_/id/14876/ryan-tannehill

Tannehill throws by direction

Right side: 68 of 101 for a completion percentage of 67.3%.

Left side: 62 of 83 for a completion percentage of 74.7%.

Middle: 38 of 61 for a completion percentage of 62.3 %.

Right sideline: 101 of 188 for a completion percentage of 53.7%.

Left sideline: 84 of 148 for a completion percentage of 56.8%.
 
Ah yes, the obligatory "what do you expect them to say" when players say things that contradict what I've been saying.

I prefer to assume you are not an idiot than to assume that about Tannehill and Grimes. These players see Wallace everyday in practice and knows more about his abilities than you and I do so I trust what they say over anything you may speculate on.

No doubt. However, I maintain that their comments would be positive about him regardless of whether their actual feelings are positive or not. Perhaps you think they would be candid about his weaknesses if they thought he had any. I don't. Can you find an example of either player pointing out the weaknesses of a teammate in detail?

As I said, ESPN had it different.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/splits/_/id/14876/ryan-tannehill

Tannehill throws by direction

Right side: 68 of 101 for a completion percentage of 67.3%.

Left side: 62 of 83 for a completion percentage of 74.7%.

Middle: 38 of 61 for a completion percentage of 62.3 %.

Right sideline: 101 of 188 for a completion percentage of 53.7%.

Left sideline: 84 of 148 for a completion percentage of 56.8%.

ESPN and PFF clearly have very different definitions for what counts as left, middle and right. ESPN only counts 61 throws as "middle" throws -- by far the fewest number -- whereas PFF counts 180 throws as to the middle.
 
Wallace gets a little lazy out of his breaks or cuts especially ones where he has to or should come back to the football...but anyone questioning that guys acceleration needs to just stop talking

His route running could be cleaner as could his footwork and at times there's wasted motion when he gears down

on stop routes he makes plays more closely contested cause he waits for the football instead of taking a step back to the ball...he usually gets away with it though cause his acceleration and top end speed gets DBS bailing and opening their hips very early...
 
I don't think Wallace would be a good fit in the slot he doesn't shield defenders and fight for the ball against DBs what do you think he'll do against bigger LBs? Keeping him outside forces the safety to provide help deep and stretch the field. Putting him in the slot invites those safeties down close in the box. The problem we had this year was teams dared us to throw deep knowing Wallace and Tanny couldn't connect and they stuffed our running game because of it. If they knew we could hit those passes they would have backed off thus giving us some running lanes.
 
Wallace in the slot? Ah...it feels so good that Sherman is gone!

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