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Miami Dolphins: What was accomplished during free agency?

Basically the whole let's build thru the draft talk means just expect not to win for a few years. Man that philosophy is crazy. If that's the case then they should make the draft optional because all teams build thru the draft. It's a lame excuse to cover up the fact that we haven't made any splashes in free agency. A team like us that's needs all the help we can we are going to settle on just drafting and maybe bringing in second rate guys. Rebuilding and building thru the draft = cover up. Let's have a team of all rookies with just college experience to lean on. Guys look Philbin is/ was not the gm. He has his philosophy but he is not a gm. ireland has had average to below average drafts so wen u talk about building thru the draft remember who is in charge of doing the building. this franchise will b sold by the time you expect building thru the draft to pay off
 
This offseason the Dolphins were successful at alienating their fan base.
 
Phinatic8u said:
We upgraded both S spots. Yes Richard Marshall will be the FS.

Resigned our key cog in Solai.

Traded,Marshall? So good move IMO. He didn't live up to the hype.

We'll draft WRs to fit the WCO. Marshall didn't.
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How did we upgrade safety? And should we put more faith in Richard Marshall then Gibril Wilson, Chris Clemens, or Reshad Jones? Best case scenario is that we finally plugged the hole at free safety....and promptly made a hole at strong safety.

Even if Marshall didnt live up to the hype, how can the move be considered good? We spent 2 second round picks on a 2 year rental. Anyone recall us laughing when we traded Jason Taylor only to get him back a year later? How is that different then what the Broncos and Bears pulled on us? In some way, shape, or form, the Marshall trade was a disaster. If trading him away for pennies now isnt bad, then trading for him in the first place was.

I have no problem with people looking forward to the draft or rest of the offseason. Im just beside myself at how people need to paint every single move as sunshine and rainbows. We have screwed up more then a few times, which is why we have had 3 losing seasons in a row.
 
I believe in Philbin's vision and conviction to build his vision through the draft!!! The lack of an off-season in 2011 seemed to have hurt Miami more than most of the other teams. For some god awful reason, many of the players returned from the lockout out of shape, which cost the team early on. Then you had the revelation that Mike Nolan wanted out after the 2010 season and seemed to be going through the motions in his defensive play calling in 2011, which resulted in someone else calling the defense. Add the mounting speculation about Sparano and the coaching staff, and you see why 2011 was a fiasco of a season. IMO too much drama and lack of focus cost the Franchise in 2011. It became apparent after Philbin was hired in 2012, his philosophies were much different than the BP model that was in place before. Ireland as GM had to reverse course and find fit's to Philbin's vision and philosophy, Hence the Marshall trade. It became hard to ignore all the out cry's and anger from the fan's and media alike; who didn't understand what was going on. Pressure began to mount in spite of Marshall's night club incident. I am of the belief, the new coaching staff and philosophies will bring a better overall offensive product, hopefully as soon as 2012. It will take time, but, I truly believe Philbin brings a much needed approach, something that the EGO'S of Parcells, Cam Cameron and Saban would never allow for. Philbin looks to have sold Ireland on his philosophies and he has done unpopular things so far, which upset the fan base. I'm not happy about the salary cap situation and lack of movement in Free Agency, but understand that moving forward in 2013 the salary cap will be in a much better state and hopefully will lead to resigning many of those players who's contracts expire after 2012 ends. So IMO F/A in 2012 brought confusion, and anger amongst the fan's in the short term, BUT, brought to the surface Philbin's vision and helped a fan like myself buy into Coach Philbin's ability to see through with his plan, which included getting Ireland to change from the BP way and lead this team into a more sustainable winning tradition.
 
Spesh said:
Only been rebuilding through the draft for half a decade, no hurries.

Well, time to keep busting on second round picks and over drafting offensive lineman. Who else is pumped for April!
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funny, ireland had no second round pick for his only draft (he did trade back into the second round to draft daniel thomas). and i think pouncey (the only offensive lineman ever drafted by jeff ireland while he was in charge) outplayed his draft position. so i'd have to disagree with your characterization of the current personnel situation.
 
Spesh said:
How did we upgrade safety? And should we put more faith in Richard Marshall then Gibril Wilson, Chris Clemens, or Reshad Jones? Best case scenario is that we finally plugged the hole at free safety....and promptly made a hole at strong safety.

Even if Marshall didnt live up to the hype, how can the move be considered good? We spent 2 second round picks on a 2 year rental. Anyone recall us laughing when we traded Jason Taylor only to get him back a year later? How is that different then what the Broncos and Bears pulled on us? In some way, shape, or form, the Marshall trade was a disaster. If trading him away for pennies now isnt bad, then trading for him in the first place was.

I have no problem with people looking forward to the draft or rest of the offseason. Im just beside myself at how people need to paint every single move as sunshine and rainbows. We have screwed up more then a few times, which is why we have had 3 losing seasons in a row.
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yeah i agree ,and who's to say richard marshall is all that ,i mean this is his 3rd team in as many years.
 
circumstances said:
funny, ireland had no second round pick for his only draft (he did trade back into the second round to draft daniel thomas). and i think pouncey (the only offensive lineman ever drafted by jeff ireland while he was in charge) outplayed his draft position. so i'd have to disagree with your characterization of the current personnel situation.
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so what has waterboy ireland been doing all thoes other years ,just reciving a pay check?
 
X-Pacolypse said:
If they want to rebuild through the Draft that's fine, but they should have been more upfront with the fans about. Stephen Ross may be a billionaire but he doesn't know a goddamn thing about PR.
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Dolphins' PR has been atrocious since the Tuna took over and has actually gotten worse since he left. Ugh.
 
Nublar7 said:
True, but I am sure Philbin is telling Ireland the type of players he wants. Ireland is not blindly picking players and telling Philbin he needs to make it work. Philbin and his philosophy plays a big part in the type of players Ireland is targeting in free agency and the draft.

I am OK with building the offense through the draft instead of picking up free agents. Though I personally still don't agree with the Marshall trade, but there was obviously a philosophy difference between Philbin and Marshall. Also the fact that Marshall is facing a multiple game suspension, they might have just tried to get anything they could for him and rid themselves of a head case. With that said, talent wise that is a HUGE hole on the offense.

I would say our running back position is set. There are questions and concerns there, but I don't see anything changing there. Bush, Thomas, Messam and Slaton can be a solid group. Four picks in the top 73 is prime ammunition to begin rebuilding the offense. I have to think either our first round pick(Tannehill) or second round pick(Weeden) will be used on a quarterback. Once we get our quarterback we can use the other three early picks on a WR(maybe two), and a tight end and/or pass rusher.
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I don't know how you seem to know what's going on between Ireland and Philbin besides, it's what you feel is happening. I don't know what the deal is and I would think that Ireland should have Philbin in mind but to what extent none of us really know....and the moves made with Sparano in mind doesn't give me alot of hope....but thats neither here nor there....
My feeling is that if Ireland is allowed to continue He will end up killing Philbins opportunity as a 1st time HC, and at minimum constrict our progress considerably, as previous time period has shown.

Glad you have faith in him, but me, he's already gone far over a reasonably period of time to see his credibility and personally, I don't need to see more wasted time and putting us farther behind the proverbial 8-ball.....
Funny I have no problem with getting rid of Marshall, cause I don't think he was all that he was cracked up to be, but the position is vastly important and will need to be filled with someone who creates a problem for defenses but can actually catch..........(another hole to fill with I'm sure scrubs if in FA and Mid rd draft picks will most likely not be effective as a true #1WR and bring that ligitimate threat a #1WR should bring to the table...(keep in mind previous years before Marshall)

RB set I doubt it, unless Messam produces in the NFL as he did in CFL (????)
Thomas IMO ehhhh......not a dangerous RB and Health could be a problem again...
Bush had a super year, will he be able to stay healthy and do it again ...beats me, I hope..

Bottom line is this team is like treading water, and has been for quite a spell and I don't see much different.

Hey I Hope like you and all the Fans Philbin can do miracles because with one hand tied behind his back (Ireland) he's going to need a little extra help, luck...something divine....
 
napsndreds said:
Basically the whole let's build thru the draft talk means just expect not to win for a few years. Man that philosophy is crazy. If that's the case then they should make the draft optional because all teams build thru the draft. It's a lame excuse to cover up the fact that we haven't made any splashes in free agency. A team like us that's needs all the help we can we are going to settle on just drafting and maybe bringing in second rate guys. Rebuilding and building thru the draft = cover up. Let's have a team of all rookies with just college experience to lean on. Guys look Philbin is/ was not the gm. He has his philosophy but he is not a gm. ireland has had average to below average drafts so wen u talk about building thru the draft remember who is in charge of doing the building. this franchise will b sold by the time you expect building thru the draft to pay off
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This.

EDIT: and also the post above me. Well said.
 
The build through the draft basically gives Ireland even more time.....

Not to discount Building through the draft but, here comes the draft and then its another year or two until we are fairly able to judge success or failure and see the true value of, I'm sure soon to be really hyped, rookies chosen...

Folks how many years do ya need to see whats going on....I mean open the old eye balls...baffling that this even is in discussion, considering whats been exposed for such a long time and if that doesn't compute, let me ask you

after these past several years, yes Years, is this team where any of you think it should be ? That will tell me alot
 
So far looks to me the the defense is about the same as last year. If we can get a good pass rusher in the draft, defense will be better.

Offense has the WR gap which is a large gap. Hopefully we can make up for that with a quality starting WR and TE in the draft. Notice an upgrade at TE with a new WR may cover the gap. That will put us back to where we were last year. If do that and improve the RT position the offense will be better too.

Lots of ifs. Still need a long term QB solution and not sure if current QBs can take us to the playoffs.
 
circumstances said:
funny, ireland had no second round pick for his only draft (he did trade back into the second round to draft daniel thomas). and i think pouncey (the only offensive lineman ever drafted by jeff ireland while he was in charge) outplayed his draft position. so i'd have to disagree with your characterization of the current personnel situation.
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"Only draft". Can someone please get me a job where i can make millions of dollars for half a decade and only be blamed for a single year? Anyone? I wouldnt mind that situation in the least.

Oooooh, but wait, we're both wrong, because ya know, Ireland can still blame Sparano for that draft. So yeah, i guess Ireland has never drafted before. Unless he has. I guess just the good ones. If the draft picks busted then those werent his fault. Whatever is needed to convince us that nothing is wrong in Miami. Despite the 3 losing seasons, those dont count either.
 
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