Miami Dolphins: What was accomplished during free agency?

[miamiron]

and i think pouncey (the only offensive lineman ever drafted by jeff ireland while he was in charge) outplayed his draft position.

Only 2 centers in the last 40 years have been drafted at 15 or less
Steve Everitt by the by the Browns in 1993 with the #14 pick and
Pouncey with the #15 pick.

To say Pouncey outplayed his draft position is just comical.

If anything Pouncey was a reach at 15.He did have a decent year as a rookie but he did not out play his draft position.

at 15 I would consider Pouncey to be a perennial ALL-PRO
for the rest of his career and I don't think that will happen

 

[p-double]

They are building throught the draft because no one wants to come here under their free will. Players don't like Ireland period!!!!

 

[scottie g]

feeding info to the tuna, who had final say over all decisions!

please stop being so naive,ireland has been named the gm every since he's been here.do u know what a gm does? well ,let me tell u ,they oversee player personel which means drafting and signing free agents ,so until some concreat evident appear to suggest otherwise ,that's what ireland has been doing for the past 5 years ,not just being tuna's personal helper. and if what u say is true ,then he's not quailified to be a gm anyway.

 

[circumstances]

please stop being so naive,ireland has been named the gm every since he's been here.do u know what a gm does? well ,let me tell u ,they oversee player personel which means drafting and signing free agents ,so until some concreat evident appear to suggest otherwise ,that's what ireland has been doing for the past 5 years ,not just being tuna's personal helper. and if what u say is true ,then he's not quailified to be a gm anyway.

do you know what being a GM without final say on all personnel decisions is called? me either. but until a person has that final say, THEY ARE NOT IN CHARGE. ireland got that in 2011. them's the facts, ok?

 

[CedarPhin]

We accomplished something. I don't know what, but we accomplished something.

 

[circumstances]

Only 2 centers in the last 40 years have been drafted at 15 or less
Steve Everitt by the by the Browns in 1993 with the #14 pick and
Pouncey with the #15 pick.

To say Pouncey outplayed his draft position is just comical.

If anything Pouncey was a reach at 15.He did have a decent year as a rookie but he did not out play his draft position.

at 15 I would consider Pouncey to be a perennial ALL-PRO
for the rest of his career and I don't think that will happen

where did maurkice go to the steelers? like 18th overall? was he a reach? i would submit he also outplayed his draft position as a rookie.

 

[circumstances]

and a perennial all-pro at 15 for any position is asking quite a bit (and i think mike pouncey can make the pro-bowl or alternate for the next 10 seasons, maybe not all-pro).

 

[CRAZYDOLFAN305]

Maybe not directly but it was mentioned prior to free agency even starting. I have to admit that even I ignored the comments made about building through the draft.

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolp...to-recognize-that-the-idea-of-adding-a-p.html

Question, am I crazy to believe Philbin at his word. And that's the directive he has give Ireland? And with what Ireland did in the draft last year, this might actually be the smart model to follow. So, when we don't go crazy over paying free agents, and we get all radical at the front office, is that not our fault to some degree. Especially if the HC is on record saying how he wants to build his teams. Or is he just a liar and his GM just shouldn't listen to him.

I mean the head coach is clearly explaining his philosophy and so far the GM seems to have balance that perfectly with under the radar F.A. acquisition, hopefully waiting to make the big splash through the draft. If I'm reading that wrong someone please correct me.

And no matter what has happened in the past, Philbin is in his first year. And this GM, has been in Fully in charge for just one year. The only acquisition that completely flop under his first year was Marc Colombo. We have sucked at drafting for over 20 years. But at least we have hit on all our first rounders in the last 4 years, Long, Vontae, Odrick and Pouncey. Although that has not translates to successful seasons. But, that's just my opinion. Hopefully, I'm not spinning it.

 

[andyahs]

please stop being so naive,ireland has been named the gm every since he's been here.do u know what a gm does? well ,let me tell u ,they oversee player personel which means drafting and signing free agents ,so until some concreat evident appear to suggest otherwise ,that's what ireland has been doing for the past 5 years ,not just being tuna's personal helper. and if what u say is true ,then he's not quailified to be a gm anyway.

If you don't think Parcells had FINAL say on every player while he was here I don't know what to tell you.

 

[CRAZYDOLFAN305]

Only 2 centers in the last 40 years have been drafted at 15 or less
Steve Everitt by the by the Browns in 1993 with the #14 pick and
Pouncey with the #15 pick.

To say Pouncey outplayed his draft position is just comical.

If anything Pouncey was a reach at 15.He did have a decent year as a rookie but he did not out play his draft position.

at 15 I would consider Pouncey to be a perennial ALL-PRO
for the rest of his career and I don't think that will happen

Even when it was proven the Steelers were ready to trade up by all cost to draft him?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ers-want-to-trade-up-pair-mike-with-maurkice/

Here the list of the players draft behind Pouncey, I'm not sure the answer to this question, but help me out. Did any of those players made the Pro-Bowl alternate like Pouncey did. And that's not a fan vote, that's by the players and coaches.

And I'm not going to sugar coated, IRELAND absolutely nail it when he drafted POUNCEY.
2011 All Rookie Team
http://www.profootballweekly.com/story/permalink/30603

16 WAS Ryan Kerrigan, DE, Purdue
17 NE Nate Solder, OL, Colorado
18 SD Corey Liuget, DT, Illinois
19 NYG Prince Amukamara, CB, Nebraska
20 TB Adrian Clayborn, DL, Iowa
21 CLE Phil Taylor, DL, Baylor
22 IND Anthony Castonzo, OL, Boston College
23 PHI Danny Watkins, OL, Baylor
24 NO Cameron Jordan, DE, California
25 SEA James Carpenter, OL, Alabama
26 KC Jonathan Baldwin, WR, Pittsburgh
27 BAL Jimmy Smith, CB, Colorado
28 NO Mark Ingram, RB, Alabama
29 CHI Gabe Carimi, OL, Wisconsin
30 NYJ Muhammad Wilkerson, DT, Temple
31 PIT Cameron Heyward, DT, Ohio St.
32 GB Derek Sherrod, OL, Mississippi St.

If we are speaking about reaching, than if we were to select the players drafted after Pouncey? Wouldn't we have reached?

 

[Spesh]

Question, am I crazy to believe Philbin at his word. And that's the directive he has give Ireland? And with what Ireland did in the draft last year, this might actually be the smart model to follow. So, when we don't go crazy over paying free agents, and we get all radical at the front office, is that not our fault to some degree. Especially if the HC is on record saying how he wants to build his teams. Or is he just a liar and his GM just shouldn't listen to him.

I mean the head coach is clearly explaining his philosophy and so far the GM seems to have balance that perfectly with under the radar F.A. acquisition, hopefully waiting to make the big splash through the draft. If I'm reading that wrong someone please correct me.

And no matter what has happened in the past, Philbin is in his first year. And this GM, has been in Fully in charge for just one year. The only acquisition that completely flop under his first year was Marc Colombo. We have sucked at drafting for over 20 years. But at least we have hit on all our first rounders in the last 4 years, Long, Vontae, Odrick and Pouncey. Although that has not translates to successful seasons. But, that's just my opinion. Hopefully, I'm not spinning it.

A smart model is passing on multiple quarterbacks so you can over draft a center(who isnt even the best player named Pouncey, much less in the league) and back up running back? No wonder people dont have a problem with going 6-10.

Ill just point out, without commenting, on the fact that you point out its Irelands second year then turn around and give him credit for our first round picks. I wont even comment on how you suggest that Marc Colombo was his only miss without pointing out how Ireland attempted to give Kyle Orton not only a bigger contract than Matt Flynn, but also give up draft picks.
I'll only ask one thing: Since 2008 we have spent 8 second round picks, which pick/deal has impressed you the most in all of those picks? Go.

 

[Phinatic8u]

Actually Mike Pouncey outplayed his brother last season.

 

[Spesh]

Even when it was proven the Steelers were ready to trade up by all cost to draft him?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ers-want-to-trade-up-pair-mike-with-maurkice/

After writing the above early Monday morning, I heard from Redskins general manager Bruce Allen. He denied the original report and said the Steelers never called about the pick. Steelers GM Kevin Colbert, through a spokesperson, corroborated Allen's denial and said talks didn't take place. Also, the writer who first reported the non-trade has issued an apology.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/peter_king/05/15/mmqb/index.html#ixzz1pyxPTMpd​

 

[CRAZYDOLFAN305]

If they want to rebuild through the Draft that's fine, but they should have been more upfront with the fans about. Stephen Ross may be a billionaire but he doesn't know a goddamn thing about PR.

The Dolphins, by the way, have been very active lately getting both Philbin and general manager Jeff Ireland in the community and interacting with not only their alumni but fans. Ireland, for example, held a conference call with season ticket holders earlier this week.

Tonight, both will be at Sun Life Stadium as guest auctioneers in the "Ultimate Sports Auction," an event that will benefit the Make-A-Wish Foundation. Cross and nearly a dozen other sports celebrities will be at the event. Philbin has also visited local newspapers and spoken to various business groups.

And correct me if I'm wrong didn't they go on a tour with all the local papers as well as made the Defensive, and offensive coordinators available for formal interview.

 

[CRAZYDOLFAN305]

A smart model is passing on multiple quarterbacks so you can over draft a center(who isnt even the best player named Pouncey, much less in the league) and back up running back? No wonder people dont have a problem with going 6-10.

Ill just point out, without commenting, on the fact that you point out its Irelands second year then turn around and give him credit for our first round picks. I wont even comment on how you suggest that Marc Colombo was his only miss without pointing out how Ireland attempted to give Kyle Orton not only a bigger contract than Matt Flynn, but also give up draft picks.
I'll only ask one thing: Since 2008 we have spent 8 second round picks, which pick/deal has impressed you the most in all of those picks? Go.

I didn't give him credit. I just said We have sucked at drafting for over 20 years. But at least we have hit on all our first rounders in the last 4. As in we I mean the organization, otherwise I would have singled out Ireland.

What Quarterback did we pass up on last year ? The one that went in the 3rd Round. So if we reach for a QB that every team passed on at least twice, would that have been considered a reach.

How can you point that out when for whatever reason it didn't happen. As a matter of fact it makes the F.O. seems even more content because they didn't gave into Denvers and Orton agent demands.

None of our second round picks have develop into bonafide superstars. They all suck Koa Misi Sucks, Sean Smith Sucks, Phillip Merling Sucks and Daniel Thomas Sucks. All four are thrash and don't belong on any nfl roster. Because if we didn't draft them where they were drafted no other team would have drafted them