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Miami Dolphins: Why the hate for Brian Hartline?

Gonzo said:
:lol: Jeebus, I hate fantasy football.

You're leaving out a key points here. Hartline's stats are OVER 3 YEARS. Nelson's was in ONE year. Here's a stat: 3 years is more than 1 year. Why not throw Calvin Johnson and Larry Fitzgerald in there too, that way you can showcase how little your stat comparisons matter?

Since your so stuck on stats, how about gains over 20 yards? Hartline is tied with Bess for 78th at 8 last season. Fasano had more.

Of course, none of that matters. Anybody that actually watches him play knows exactly what type of WR you're getting. Are you telling me he doesn't collapse immediately, or at best stretch out for an extra 2 or 3 yards? His role is to run good routes and get that quick ten yards for a 1st down. That's it. That's a good role to have, but it's certainly not what you build your WR corps around.
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Coming from someone that is stuck on the most useless stat a WR can have, YAC, this is funny.

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Gonzo said:
You're leaving out a key points here. Hartline's stats are OVER 3 YEARS. Nelson's was in ONE year. .
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I did not make the Nelson stats, Adam did, I guess he wanted a equal number.
 
LikeUntoGod said:
Coming from someone that is stuck on the most useless stat a WR can have, YAC, this is funny.

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I did not make the Nelson stats, Adam did, I guess he wanted a equal number.
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correct me if i'm wrong, but it was indeed 3 years vs 3 years. last year was nelson's fourth year.
 
rob19 said:
Brain Hartline couldn't carry Brandon Marshall's jock-strap.
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Why would he want to?

He has outplayed him as a Dolphin per pass attempt however.

And has outplayed him per $ million dollars.

And was not traded away because he has mental problems.

So you can keep carrying B Marshall's jock.
 
LikeUntoGod said:
He has outplayed him as a Dolphin per pass attempt however.
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Whilst never being double-teamed or schemed for a snap in his life.

Brian Hartline wasn't even the #1 receiver on his college team, give it up dude.
 
rob19 said:
Whilst never being double-teamed or schemed for a snap in his life.

Brian Hartline wasn't even the #1 receiver on his college team, give it up dude.
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Are you talking about Brian Robiskie? Is he still in the NFL? Hey Dude, it is not about what you do in college that counts in the NFL.

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MadDog 88 said:
Of course you do realize the WCO emphasizes YAC.
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Maybe, but getting open and catching the football is more important for a WR.

But still, in his 3 years seasons with the Dolphins, Hartline has had a 4.57 YAC average. In his two seasons with the Dolphins, Marshall had a YAC average of only 3.47.

Over his 4 career J Nelson's YAC is 5.3. But then he has All Pro, NFL MVP QB Aaron Rodgers throwing to him.

Aaron Rodger's QB ratings during those 4 seasons were:

2008 93.8
2009 103.2
2010 101.2
2011 122.5

Hartline had Chad Henne and Matt Moore throwing to him and Henning and Daboll as OCs

Chad Henne's QB rating were:

2009 75.2
2010 75.4

Matt Moore's was:

2011 87.1

In 2009, J Nelson's QB had a 28 points higher QB rating then B Hartline's did.
In 2010 it was 25.8 points higher.
In 2011, A Rodgers QB rating was a staggering 35.3 points higher then Matt Moore's.

Can you in all honesty tell me that the play of a much better QB did not have a lot to do with J Nelson's better YAC?

Do you remember those high outside, going out of bounds catches that Hartline is known for? How many yards did he make extra on them? How many pass were off target? Placement of the ball is what matters here. For a WR to have good YAC, he needs to be hit in stride not have the ball thrown at his feet or way over his head.

If you do not think having a better QB matters, ask B Marshall and look at his YAC average while in Denver. His career YAC is 4.5, lower then J Nelson's but he had better seasons with Jay Cutler.
 
LikeUntoGod said:
Maybe, but getting open and catching the football is more important for a WR.

But still, in his 3 years seasons with the Dolphins, Hartline has had a 4.57 YAC average. In his two seasons with the Dolphins, Marshall had a YAC average of only 3.47.

Over his 4 career J Nelson's YAC is 5.3. But then he has All Pro, NFL MVP QB Aaron Rodgers throwing to him.

Aaron Rodger's QB ratings during those 4 seasons were:

2008 93.8
2009 103.2
2010 101.2
2011 122.5

Hartline had Chad Henne and Matt Moore throwing to him and Henning and Daboll as OCs

Chad Henne's QB rating were:

2009 75.2
2010 75.4

Matt Moore's was:

2011 87.1

In 2009, J Nelson's QB had a 28 points higher QB rating then B Hartline's did.
In 2010 it was 25.8 points higher.
In 2011, A Rodgers QB rating was a staggering 35.3 points higher then Matt Moore's.

Can you in all honesty tell me that the play of a much better QB did not have a lot to do with J Nelson's better YAC?

Do you remember those high outside, going out of bounds catches that Hartline is known for? How many yards did he make extra on them? How many pass were off target? Placement of the ball is what matters here. For a WR to have good YAC, he needs to be hit in stride not have the ball thrown at his feet or way over his head.

If you do not think having a better QB matters, ask B Marshall and look at his YAC average while in Denver. His career YAC is 4.5, lower then J Nelson's but he had better seasons with Jay Cutler.
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Both years with Henne, Hartline had a respectable 5.2 YAC so I don't understand your point of being hindered by Henne. You can't compare the results of two different offenses and how a particular WR fits it vs another WR. The WCO uses short passes on timed routes that rely on YAC for big plays. Where Hartline may struggle is getting off the line in press coverage obviously disrupting the timing.

Thus far Hartline has shown he is not a physical WR nor is he a red zone threat. None of us know how effective he can be in a new offense so to proclaim whether or not he will be a success is far fetched.
 
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MadDog 88 said:
Both years with Henne Hartline had a respectable 5.2 YPA so I don't understand your point of being hindered by Henne. You can't compare the results of two different offenses and how a particular WR fits it vs another WR. The WCO uses short passes on timed routes that rely on YAC for big plays. .
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When did a 5.2 YPA become respectable? (I think you meant to say 6.4) Tim Tebow, who can't pass had a 6.4 one last season. Rodger's was 8.2 and 8.3 in the same seasons and had a 9.2 last season.

Of course you can compare QB and different offenses. Ours had a inaccurate QB with little to do touch on the ball and a offensive passing game that was not based on routes that relied on YAC. The passes that did, like go routes etc, Chad Henne could not hit because he cannot throw OVER anyone because he has so little touch on the ball.

Matt Moore had a YPA almost a yard better then Chad Henne's best and a 12 point higher QB rating because he could hit touch passes, he could throw with a arc on the ball.

Last season Brandon "The Beast" Marshall had a YAC of only 2.9 playing with Chad Henne. Was that because Marshall was weak and not physical enough to break tackles? Did he struggle getting off the line in press coverage while also dropping a lot of passes in the redzone. a place where he was the main target?

When a QB has a much higher completion rate that tells me that he is putting a higher percent of his passes on the money. He hits his WRs in stride while lesser QBs throw it to where their WRs can make a play on the ball.

I put this more on the QB then i do the system, if the system was magic everyone would run the same one. Last season Rodgers comp % was 8 points higher then Moore's. in 2010 it was 4.7 points higher then Henne's. In 2009, Rodgers was 3.2 points higher the Henne's.

In his 3 years seasons with the Dolphins, B Hartline had a 4.57 YAC average. In his 2 seasons with the Dolphins, B "the Beast" Marshall had a 3.47 YAC average.
 
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LikeUntoGod said:
When did a 5.2 YPA become respectable? (I think you meant to say 6.4) Tim Tebow, who can't pass had a 6.4 one last season. Rodger's was 8.2 and 8.3 in the same seasons.

Of course you can compare QB and different offenses. Ours had a inaccurate QB with little to do touch on the ball and a offensive passing game that was not based on routes that relied on YAC. The passes that did, like go routes etc, Chad Henne could not hit because he cannot throw OVER anyone because he has so little touch on the ball.

Last season Brandon "The Beast" Marshall had a YAC of only 2.9 playing with Chad Henne. Was that because Marshall was weak and not physical enough to break tackles? Did he struggle getting off the line in press coverage while also dropping a lot of passes in the redzone. a place where he was the main target?

In his 3 years seasons with the Dolphins, B Hartline had a 4.57 YAC average. In his 2 seasons with the Dolphins, B "the Beast" Marshall had a 3.47 YAC average.
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I'm sorry LUG. I meant YAC :lol: Hartline's YAC with Henne was a respectable 5.2.
 
I didn't bother reading the whole thread but the answer is because we don't have better. Hartline is a good player but when compared to Green Bay's receiving corp he would be 4th or 5th choice.
 
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