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http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/sports/football/9696295.htm

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Improving the Dolphins' run defense was a focus this week after Tennessee gained 182 yards rushing in a 17-7 victory last Saturday.

''Tennessee did a nice job, but it really wasn't as much Tennessee as it was us not executing like we're capable of,'' coach Dave Wannstedt said. ``We went back to the basics and we emphasized the little things that make a difference.

``We had two really good full-speed run drills with pads this week and we really [put] an emphasis on making sure we were fundamentally sound.''

Part of Miami's problem last week was that it tried to use the Bears' 46 defense about a dozen times but had mental lapses.

First off, can somebody explain the finer points of the Bears' 46 defense?

And secondly, why were we trying to use this?
 
I saw some strange formation once during the game but, I don't think it was the 4-6....We had three down lineman, and I think JT was one of them....anybody else see that play?
 
jaxdolfan said:
http://www.46defense.com/46defense.htm
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Great link. Great info. Simplified info and pictures, just how I like it! THX! :up:

Now, WTH did we use this on Saturday? Have we used it before?

I guess with Ogunleye and T. Bo we would have had the personel to use this (strong D-line applying pressure and solid CB to shut down the receivers), but neither of those guys were there Saturday.

I guess that's beside the point though. The main thing is, will we use this again? And why haven't we tried this before? It seemed suited for our D last year.

And seeing how this wasn't mentioned in the press before, do you think it's a reason Wanny made the premature claim that our D this year would be the best of all time in the franchise/nfl (can't remember which he said)?

Man, I'm just full of questions this morning.

Oh, one more, I swear, and this is just out of curiosity: Why didn't this work against Marino in the 85' MNF game? Was his release just to quick?
 
Despacio said:
Great link. Great info. Simplified info and pictures, just how I like it! THX! :up:

Now, WTH did we use this on Saturday? Have we used it before?

I guess with Ogunleye and T. Bo we would have had the personel to use this (strong D-line applying pressure and solid CB to shut down the receivers), but neither of those guys were there Saturday.

I guess that's beside the point though. The main thing is, will we use this again? And why haven't we tried this before? It seemed suited for our D last year.

And seeing how this wasn't mentioned in the press before, do you think it's a reason Wanny made the premature claim that our D this year would be the best of all time in the franchise/nfl (can't remember which he said)?

Man, I'm just full of questions this morning.

Oh, one more, I swear, and this is just out of curiosity: Why didn't this work against Marino in the 85' MNF game? Was his release just to quick?
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If you have a defensive line that can put pressure on the QB all by itself, there's no need to send your entire LB corps at the QB. That's why the 46 isn't used that often; since your LBs are blitzing, the middle-underneath routes are wide open. Also, you're very vulnerable to draw plays.

The 46 defense is a neat concept, but in reality, it's probably overrated. Buddy Ryan was hailed as a defensive genius, when in fact the personnel on that 85 Bears team could have been coached by you or me and been dominant; they were THAT good. Easily the best defense in NFL history (do not bother me with the Steel Curtain or the 2000 Ravens).

Gregg Easterbrook of NFL.com (you may know him better as the Tuesday Morning Quarterback) has been working to compile stats on the effectiveness of the blitz vs. playing straight defense. It's pretty amazing to see how often the blitz backfires. If you're interested in this stuff, I'd strongly recommend you head over to NFL.com and read some of his archived stuff, especially from the 2003 playoffs.
 
I watched the Blitz Backfire a few times, as Seau went in and the RB ran right by him, through the hole he created.
 
Yeah but did you guys notice how much Greenbay blitzed Carolina on Monday night? I thought Buddy Ryan was coaching the Pack's defense. I love that "kill the QB" mentality.
 
Despacio said:
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/sports/football/9696295.htm

`BACK TO BASICS'

Improving the Dolphins' run defense was a focus this week after Tennessee gained 182 yards rushing in a 17-7 victory last Saturday.

''Tennessee did a nice job, but it really wasn't as much Tennessee as it was us not executing like we're capable of,'' coach Dave Wannstedt said. ``We went back to the basics and we emphasized the little things that make a difference.

``We had two really good full-speed run drills with pads this week and we really [put] an emphasis on making sure we were fundamentally sound.''

Part of Miami's problem last week was that it tried to use the Bears' 46 defense about a dozen times but had mental lapses.

First off, can somebody explain the finer points of the Bears' 46 defense?

And secondly, why were we trying to use this?
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lol:roflmao: :roflmao:
 
our vanilla defense has been in the top 5 last 4 years...

Vanilla isnt D isnt so bad...
 
Total agreement with you, finsletmedown. Our vanilla D has worked pretty well. Say what you will about Wannstedt as a head coach, but the man knows his way around a defense.

I love the "kill the QB" mentality, too. The thing is that the blitz is most effective when it's not expected. That's why the Eagles D is successful; they blitz a lot, but normally in situations where it catches the O off guard. You don't see the Eagles blitz a lot on 3rd and long, for example. Watch a game sometime and take note of how many 3rd and long blitzes backfire; you'll be surprised. (And in a 3-4 scheme, one "blitzing" linebacker doesn't count as a blitz.)
 
Is it just me or isn't strange the number of players we've signed from Chicago over past 4 years....Wanny's from Chigaco...and now we are using the 4-6. Oh My God......we are turning into the Bears.................. :eek: :shakeno:
 
Hey wasn't it the 46D of Ryan's that Marino picked apart that Monday night in 85' to give Da Bears there only loss of the season? Seems dangerous if you can throw with zip!
 
As I recall, when we played the Bears on that Monday night in 85 and stopped their winning streak, one thing we did to negate the Bears' 46, was to use designed rolls with Marino, to get him outside the pass rush and time to throw. Dan was never a scrambler, but in the early years of his career, he could roll out and throw very well.
As someone mentioned earlier, if the pressure from the 46 doesn't get there, it is open to the underneath routes. Also when we played that game, Dwight Stephenson, playing with a bad shoulder, that basically made him a one armed, one handed center, still single blocked William Perry all game long and still shut him down. That DS was able to take care of Perry all by himself, left the guards to focus elsewhere.
 
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