Miami's 2007 draft

[TheEdwardsEra]

Hi everyone. I'm new here, so try to take it easy on me.

I'm wondering what everyone here thinks about Miami's picks in the 2007 draft.

Here are the picks:

No. Player
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#9 Ginn
#40 Beck
#60 Samson Satele
#70 Lorenzo Booker

Is anyone annoyed that Miami had four chances to draft Trent Edwards (he went #92) and they didn't do it?

They even drafted a QB ahead of Trent!

It must be difficult to have to face Trent knowing that not only is he on the Bills and you have to play him twice a year, but if someone had looked at his tape before draft day he could be a dolphin right now.

I think Pennington is a good QB, but Trent is one of the greats.

What does everyone think?

 

[Mannyjr23]

Ok and your point is????

 

[PeterNorth]

Edwards is one of the greats? LOL. Man, meth is a hell of a drug.

 

[Deep2Evans]

Edwards is one of the greats? LOL. Man, meth is a hell of a drug.

He must be. Please remember no true Bills fan feels this fan. Hes has played GREAT so far, but theres a long way to go, and alot for him to prove.

This thread is clearly here to stir the pot.

 

[TheEdwardsEra]

He must be. Please remember no true Bills fan feels this fan. Hes has played GREAT so far, but theres a long way to go, and alot for him to prove.

This thread is clearly here to stir the pot.

Nobody thinks that Miami made a bit of a bad judgment by picking Beck instead of Edwards?

 

[Brassmonki14120]

Nobody thinks that Miami made a bit of a bad judgment by picking Beck instead of Edwards?

I'm sure one of the contributing factors is that Trent didn't win a single game his senior year so it's tough to say the fins had bad judgment about Beck vs Trent.

 

[Nublar7]

Nobody thinks that Miami made a bit of a bad judgment by picking Beck instead of Edwards?

It is all moot. Chad Henne was brought here in the 2008 draft. I like his chances of being one of the greats better than Edwards. My opinion, but you probably won't share it.

 

[TheEdwardsEra]

I'm sure one of the contributing factors is that Trent didn't win a single game his senior year so it's tough to say the fins had bad judgment about Beck vs Trent.

Something like that might fool us arm-chair scouts, but the people who actually get paid for this kind of thing should know better.

I know Buffalo had Trent rated as a 1st round talent. This is why they picked him up, he was a ridiculous bargain in the 3rd.

 

[BillsFanInPeace]

Get ready for some Trent man love all week guys. Just so you know he was on the Chargers board last week with the same name.

Just a warning to the finheaven posters that I know out there.

 

[djfresh47]

Doesn't it take a prolonged period of time to be considered great? Bad drafting and management is why the Dolphins were 1-15 last year and the team overhauled. Those guys drafted were by last years regime so like the cliche they're not the new managements players. The Eagles could've taken Edwards but went with Kolb so I don't really see the point. Even the Bears could've had him but took Daniel Bazuin who is currently out of the NFL.

 

[baalworship]

I am glad that the Bills took Edwards but let's be real. If they knew he would turn out this good they would have taken him in the first or 2nd round.

 

[feelthepain]

#9 Ted Ginn: In his second season hasn't shown much as a WR due to a few things, being a rookie in 07, key injuries to key players in 07, changing the entire fo, coaching staff, half the roster and changing coaching Philosphies. All in a season and a half. It's hard for any player to have consistency when all those issues happen is such a short amount of time. However Ginn when given the chance has proven he can be a serious threat in the return game and when he has a QB the can throw the ball deep can get the seperation needed to be a deep threat. I'd say with most draft picks it's way to early to know if he's legit or not.

#40 Beck: Perhaps no Dolphin player has gotten more of a raw deal this kid. His college career was nothing short of spectacular. He's got a big arm, dealy accurate, smart and one of the hardest workers you'll ever meet. Unfrotunately for him he was just drafted by the wrong team and like so many other QB's when your drafted into a situation that's in constant flux your development can be stunted and sometimes ruined. I honestly don't think you'll see John give in without a fight. He may not succeed in Miami due to the new coaching staff going with their own choice, not uncommon. But he will get his chance. I think he will make the most of it.

#60 Samson Satele: Last year at this time I would have told you steal of the draft, but after his slow progress so far this year I have taken a wait and see approach on him. This year we have an excellent Oline coach in TS. Is Samson's issues with the changes, the line calls, is he too short for the position, to undersized for what this new coaching staff needs at 6'3 300 lbs, he's the samllest Olinemen we have. I don't know but he's been, IMO one of the weak links in the oline so far this year. 2 sacks in Texas came right up the middle from stunts and Samson was out of position or he was taken out of position. Nevertheless this season is still young and maybe he picks up his game, we'll see.

#70 Lorenzo Booker: Interesting 3rd round pick, not sure what the staff was thinking here, (Michael Turnner 2?) Who knows, but he wasn't impressive early with punt and kick returns. However he did have some nice runs especially late in the 07 season. The new staff obviously didn't think they had a place for him and why would they when RB was probably out deepest position. If I remember correctly he was traded to the Eagles for a 4th round pick which later turned out to be traded to Dallas for Anthony Fasano and Akin Ayodele. Anthony started off the season on fire but has cooled a bit, while David Martin seems to be the hot TE as of late. Nonetheless the trade was IMO worthy of what was last years 3rd round pick. I believe Fasano will be our TE of the future and here for years to come. Ayodele is nothing more then verteran experinece in the 3-4 that Pasqualoni is now running in Miami. It doesn't hurt that Akin is having a decent season either.



College portfolio courtesy of Wikipedia.



Trent Edwards College career:

At Stanford, Edwards sat out his freshman year in 2002, and began 2003 behind starter Chris Lewis. After an impressive showing as a back up, Edwards got the start for four games, but was then sidelined with a shoulder injury for the rest of the season. In 2004, Edwards was the starter, but again suffered injuries that knocked him out of two games and kept him out of two others entirely. Edwards' best year was 2005, where he started all 11 games, completed 168 of 268 passes for 1934 yards and 17 touchdowns, leading the Cardinal to a 5-6 record.[3]
In 2006, Edwards was the starter for the first seven games, but suffered a season-ending broken foot against Arizona and relinquished the starting role to T. C. Ostrander. Despite Stanford's poor performance during his tenure as starting quarterback (the Cardinal was just 10-20 in games he started), Edwards was a highly-touted quarterback prospect in the 2007 NFL Draft due to his arm strength, accuracy, and intelligence.[4] Prior to the draft, Mel Kiper projected Edwards as the third-best quarterback in the draft, behind JaMarcus Russell and Brady Quinn. [5]

John Becks College career:

As a 22-year old true freshman, Beck earned Academic All-Mountain West honors and competed in eight games, including four starts, becoming only the second true freshman to start at quarterback in Brigham Young history (vs. Stanford), completing 22-of-45 attempts for a season-high 279 yards against the Cardinal, including a season-long 56-yard bomb to Rodney Wilkerson. His first career victory occurred on Oct. 4, leading the Cougars to a 44-36 win at San Diego State. He later saw action at fourth-ranked USC, completing one pass for 12 yards and carrying the ball four times for 29 yards..
While a sophomore, Beck earned second-team All-Mountain West honors and started at quarterback in 10 of the Cougars' 11 games during the season. He broke the Mountain West Conference and Brigham Young single-game record with 67 pass attempts against UNLV on Oct. 8 and currently holds the MWC single-game sophomore record with 34 completions against UNLV. Beck averaged a MWC-best 261.0 yards per game against league opponents and averaged 233.0 yards per game against all opponents. He was named the MWC Offensive Player of the Week after leading the Cougars to a 41-24 win over Air Force. Against San Diego State, Beck posted Brigham Young's highest quarterback rating since early in the 2001 season at 204.8. He also passed the 3,000-yard mark as a sophomore, ranking as the Cougars' third most prolific sophomore quarterback, while passing for at least one 50+ yard completion in six of eleven games.
As a junior, Beck was an All-Mountain West Conference first-team selection, named Academic All-MWC and named team offensive MVP. He threw for a league-best 3,709 yards, marking the most yards by a Brigham Young quarterback since Brandon Doman threw for over 3,500 yards in 2001. Beck was ranked fifth nationally with a league-best 309.1 yards-per-game average, including a league-high 517 yards against TCU on Sept. 24. Beck was twice named the MWC Offensive Player or the Week. He also set MWC single-game records with (i) 41 completions (vs. Boston College on Sept. 3) and (ii) 517 yards passing (vs. TCU on Sept. 24). He tied a MWC single-game record with five TD's (vs. TCU on Sept. 24) and was ranked second all-time in the Mountain West with 7,136 career passing yards and first in the Mountain West with 3,709 yards in 2005. Beck was a 2005 Davey O'Brien Award candidate and rated as the top passing quarterback in the MWC by Street & Smith's. College Football News listed Beck as one of the top-30 players in the Mountain West Conference, while Phil Steele's College Football Preview ranked him as one of the top-40 quarterbacks in the country.
As a senior, Beck was ranked as the 2nd best quarterback in the country by ESPN as measured in quarterback efficiency ratings (173.27)[2] and 5th best season leader in passing by CBS.[3]. He led Brigham Young to a record of 10-2, with a 8-0 record in the Mountain West Conference. He was a finalist for the Davey O'Brien and Unitas Golden Arm Awards, and created buzz on the Heisman watch lists. One site that tracks college football had him #4 on the Heisman watch list.[4] He was named the Walter Camp Football Foundation National Offensive Player of the week following the come-from-behind victory over Utah on the last game of the 2006 season.[5]
On Nov. 25, 2006 Beck led the Cougars to his first victory over in-state rival University of Utah Utes, and Brigham Young's first in five years, by completing a TD pass to TE Jonny Harline as time expired. With three seconds left on the clock, Beck dropped back, shuffled left, was pressured by a late blitzing linebacker, then scrambled right (nearly 11 seconds in all) before throwing back across the field to Harline, who was standing alone in the endzone. Beck finished the game with 375 passing yards and 4 TD's. He ranks among the greatest quarterbacks ever to play for BYU.
Beck led the Cougars to their first bowl win since 1996, a 38-8 romp of the Oregon Ducks in the Las Vegas Bowl, at the end of the '06 season. The win was made in large part because of Beck and tight end Jonny Harline. Beck totaled 375 yards and two scores and also had 26 yards and a touchdown on the ground. Harline, Beck's main target, was named the MVP after a 181 yard and 1 touchdown performance.

Common sense would have told anyone to take John Beck over Trent Edwards, just look at the huge difference in the two college careers. The biggest difference in what Trent is doing and what John is doing is circumstances. Trent is with the group of guy's that drafted him and John isn't. It's in the Bills coaching staff and FO best interest to do everything in their power to make sure Edwards succeeds. John situation is just the opposite. The new FO and coaching staff has little interest in John unless he simply outplays every QB on the roster as if he's super human. Otherwise there's no risk to the new staff if John is traded or simply released. Is this Johns fault? No, he was just drafted by the wrong team.

The bottom line is Trent is being handled with kit gloves, he's being given every chance to succeed. He has by far the lowest total TD's of any QB in the top 10. I think Rivers has 16 passing TD's and Trent has just 5 or 6. Considering how bad the defense have been that Trent has faced so far this season, that's a very very low number of TD's I think it's clearly evident the Bills aren't risking taking chances with him. Basically keep it simple stupid.

With all that said it's not even been a season and a half of football for either QB, what they will be is still years down the road. But one things for sure one QB has been given a far better chance and opportunity then the other. Only time will tell what the future holds.

 

[feelthepain]

I am glad that the Bills took Edwards but let's be real. If they knew he would turn out this good they would have taken him in the first or 2nd round.

Well for the QB of a team that's 5-1, he's ranked like the 15th best QB in the league. You talk as if he's the best QB in the NFL. He's thrown the least amount of passes in the top 15, by far the fewest TD's, the fewest yards, the fewest yards per catch. Lets try and be a little realistic here about what he's done to this point. I could see the excitment if he was a top 3 QB, but he's hardly that. I understand he's better then JP, but seriously, who isn't?

 

[BuffaloSoldier2]

#9 Ted Ginn: In his second season hasn't shown much as a WR due to a few things, being a rookie in 07, key injuries to key players in 07, changing the entire fo, coaching staff, half the roster and changing coaching Philosphies. All in a season and a half. It's hard for any player to have consistency when all those issues happen is such a short amount of time. However Ginn when given the chance has proven he can be a serious threat in the return game and when he has a QB the can throw the ball deep can get the seperation needed to be a deep threat. I'd say with most draft picks it's way to early to know if he's legit or not.

#40 Beck: Perhaps no Dolphin player has gotten more of a raw deal this kid. His college career was nothing short of spectacular. He's got a big arm, dealy accurate, smart and one of the hardest workers you'll ever meet. Unfrotunately for him he was just drafted by the wrong team and like so many other QB's when your drafted into a situation that's in constant flux your development can be stunted and sometimes ruined. I honestly don't think you'll see John give in without a fight. He may not succeed in Miami due to the new coaching staff going with their own choice, not uncommon. But he will get his chance. I think he will make the most of it.

#60 Samson Satele: Last year at this time I would have told you steal of the draft, but after his slow progress so far this year I have taken a wait and see approach on him. This year we have an excellent Oline coach in TS. Is Samson's issues with the changes, the line calls, is he too short for the position, to undersized for what this new coaching staff needs at 6'3 300 lbs, he's the samllest Olinemen we have. I don't know but he's been, IMO one of the weak links in the oline so far this year. 2 sacks in Texas came right up the middle from stunts and Samson was out of position or he was taken out of position. Nevertheless this season is still young and maybe he picks up his game, we'll see.

#70 Lorenzo Booker: Interesting 3rd round pick, not sure what the staff was thinking here, (Michael Turnner 2?) Who knows, but he wasn't impressive early with punt and kick returns. However he did have some nice runs especially late in the 07 season. The new staff obviously didn't think they had a place for him and why would they when RB was probably out deepest position. If I remember correctly he was traded to the Eagles for a 4th round pick which later turned out to be traded to Dallas for Anthony Fasano and Akin Ayodele. Anthony started off the season on fire but has cooled a bit, while David Martin seems to be the hot TE as of late. Nonetheless the trade was IMO worthy of what was last years 3rd round pick. I believe Fasano will be our TE of the future and here for years to come. Ayodele is nothing more then verteran experinece in the 3-4 that Pasqualoni is now running in Miami. It doesn't hurt that Akin is having a decent season either.



College portfolio courtesy of Wikipedia.



Trent Edwards College career:



John Becks College career:



Common sense would have told anyone to take John Beck over Trent Edwards, just look at the huge difference in the two college careers. The biggest difference in what Trent is doing and what John is doing is circumstances. Trent is with the group of guy's that drafted him and John isn't. It's in the Bills coaching staff and FO best interest to do everything in their power to make sure Edwards succeeds. John situation is just the opposite. The new FO and coaching staff has little interest in John unless he simply outplays every QB on the roster as if he's super human. Otherwise there's no risk to the new staff if John is traded or simply released. Is this Johns fault? No, he was just drafted by the wrong team.

The bottom line is Trent is being handled with kit gloves, he's being given every chance to succeed. He has by far the lowest total TD's of any QB in the top 10. I think Rivers has 16 passing TD's and Trent has just 5 or 6. Considering how bad the defense have been that Trent has faced so far this season, that's a very very low number of TD's I think it's clearly evident the Bills aren't risking taking chances with him. Basically keep it simple stupid.

With all that said it's not even been a season and a half of football for either QB, what they will be is still years down the road. But one things for sure one QB has been given a far better chance and opportunity then the other. Only time will tell what the future holds.

Once again, you prove how little you know about football. I think you would have made a fine GM of the Dolphins for the last 10 years.

You are such a geek with your stats. Beck was older than Edwards is now in college palying against 18 years olds. He played in one opf the worst conferences in D1 while Edwards played in at the very least a top 2. Edwards was the #2 high school QB in his class while Beck was over in Australia (very honorable) and waiting 3 4 years to play.

See, a real football man like Marv Levy heard from another real football guy in Bill Walsh that Edwards has qualities you can't teach. They don't use nerd figures to determine who can play.

Between your man love of Beck and blind Bills hating, you have absolutely no credibility. It's refreshing to see other Fin fans call you out on your nonsense. :hi5:

 

[BuffaloSoldier2]

Well for the QB of a team that's 5-1, he's ranked like the 15th best QB in the league. You talk as if he's the best QB in the NFL. He's thrown the least amount of passes in the top 15, by far the fewest TD's, the fewest yards, the fewest yards per catch. Lets try and be a little realistic here about what he's done to this point. I could see the excitment if he was a top 3 QB, but he's hardly that. I understand he's better then JP, but seriously, who isn't?

More nonsense. Not surprising. Edwards, who played 3 palys against ARI which completely drives down his averages, is the 4th ranked passer in the league. http://www.nfl.com/stats/categoryst...d-447263-s=PASSING_PASSER_RATING&d-447263-n=1

He is 2nd in the league completing nearly 70% of his passes and 5th in yards per pass. I know the Fins have had some studs recently at QB, but I think most of your other fanbase would take this from a QB.

And in regards to your comment about JP, I agree I don't think he will be a starter in this league. but when was the last time a Fin QB has 19 tds passes in a season???