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Mike Mayock: Fix the offensive line and you have a top 10 QB in Ryan Tannehill

dlockz said:
I personally hope not. It would be different if he could backup both tackles but he has never played the right side and has refused to through his career.
Neither he or Clabo should be resigned
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I don't think they will, there are plenty of better options. It's time to find guys with a future and ones that fit the ZBS.
 
Draft at least 2 OT's and 1 OG in the top 4 rounds. Bring in at least 2 new veterans. Blow this thing up and start over with our new OL Coach and OC. Wipe it clean and give it a fresh start with new people.

I said last season that letting Jake Long Walk was a mistake and playing Jonathan Martin at LT would be a disaster. I preferred Winston to Cabo because he has excelled as a ZBS RT. I said our blocking would suffer letting Fasano walk, that Keller was an inferior blocker, that Sims was unimpressive, and that our blocking was markedly worse by the offseason maneuvers. I said it so many times. To me, THAT is the reason Ireland is gone and fixing the OL is what Hickey needs to get right.

I openly criticizes our draft for taking 3 picks in the top two rounds and not drafting a single player to grow with our young franchise QB. The only offensive pick of our 5 in the top 4 rounds was a bum OL. This was a recipe for disaster, and that's what we got.

Hickey needs that to be made crystal clear for him. His mandate is to fix the OL for now AND THE FUTURE, so no journeymen or end of career players unless you also have the good rookie developing.
 
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How about we watch what happens on the field before we start injecting if's and but's into everything. Watch what I do here, if we had Jesus, Buddah, Allah, Krishna and Vishnu playing offensive line for us, then Tannehill will be a top 5 quarterback.... see what I just did... Assumed that one variable will undoubtedly lead to a definite outcome.
 
uk_dolfan said:
move him to RT? Bring back Mckinnie who was utterly awful? You come up with the oddest ideas lol I wouldn't bring back Mckinnie if he played for free
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iF Mckinnie would get in better shape than last year i would have no problem bringing him back , but as you get older you lose a step , and it dosent help if you start puttin on weight , because that will slow you down also , so if he would lose about 10 Lbs from last year and be in Football shape i wouldnt care one bit to have him back ,but this day and time in his career he is going to have to start takin better care f his body , if he is wanting to play in the NFL .....
 
Mckinnie was awful last year,terrible. Looked ok compared to the even worse martin.

If mckinnie is a starter next year then hickey has failed in my eyes
 
I'm must be confused...NYJunc says we had a decent O-line in 2013....and yet respected NFL network talent evaluator Mike Mayock says we need to fx our O-line?

How can this be?
 
Elle Clouds said:
How about we watch what happens on the field before we start injecting if's and but's into everything. Watch what I do here, if we had Jesus, Buddah, Allah, Krishna and Vishnu playing offensive line for us, then Tannehill will be a top 5 quarterback.... see what I just did... Assumed that one variable will undoubtedly lead to a definite outcome.
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90% of football discussion are predictions of the future. The entire offseason, draft, pregame shows, etc are all projecting.

None of the draft analysts would have jobs without speculation.
 
WVDolphan said:
Mike Mayock also says 25 other QBs are top 10 QBs IF x happens.

IIRC, last season he said all Tannehill needed was a couple of good WRs, specifically some speed at the position and he would become a great QB. Well, we added the WRs and speed in a major way with Wallace and yet the song remained the same.
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Two points.

1. I agree about Mayock. He is good at identifying players strengths and weaknesses and explaining that clearly to fans. He is also great at having contacts within teams to know what they need and how they feel about prospects. But, he is very positive about every QB and I cannot rely on his QB assessments for anyone who goes in the top 3 rounds.

2. When Mayock said that all Tannehill needed was a couple of good WR'S I'm pretty confident he meant with all other things being equal. But, we let our best RB walk, our best TE walk which coincidentally were our top 2 TD scorers, and our best OL walk. We replaced them with atrocious blockers and had the worst OL in the league by far.

Even worse than being the worst pass blocking OL in the NFL was our disaster of not opening holes in the run game. Given the ridiculous OL and run game disasters, Tannehill's improvement was very impressive. Sure, he couldn't throw the deep ball, because he was always under pressure.
 
In other news water is wet, the earth revolves around the sun, and the aforementioned sun is a gigantic ball of fire.
 
The blind Tanny homerism is just crazy really, latching on to any positive spin Tanny articles. There is just no middle ground here. The truth really is that the OL was terribad last year and that absolutely affected Tanny's performance but that doesn't give him the pass that the pro Tanny people here seem to want to give him. Fixing the OL will not make him at top 10 QB, he's got to get a whole lot better in his pocket presence and start hitting Wallace downfield, along with good play at OL before that happens.

Mayock is not the all seeing oracle NFL network likes to paint him as, he's as good or bad as any of the other analysts out there. And fixing the OL is not the silver bullet solution to everything either, work still needs to be done and if Tanny himself thinks this is true and doesn't see the need to work then we are in serious trouble.
 
the difference is mayock this time is talking about a guy who has 2 years of nfl tape to evaluate not just some kid coming out of the draft with no nfl reps...personally i think mayocks selling him a little low with top 10
 
Geordie said:
The blind Tanny homerism is just crazy really, latching on to any positive spin Tanny articles. There is just no middle ground here. The truth really is that the OL was terribad last year and that absolutely affected Tanny's performance but that doesn't give him the pass that the pro Tanny people here seem to want to give him. Fixing the OL will not make him at top 10 QB, he's got to get a whole lot better in his pocket presence and start hitting Wallace downfield, along with good play at OL before that happens.

Mayock is not the all seeing oracle NFL network likes to paint him as, he's as good or bad as any of the other analysts out there. And fixing the OL is not the silver bullet solution to everything either, work still needs to be done and if Tanny himself thinks this is true and doesn't see the need to work then we are in serious trouble.
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Wouldn't a good O-line give him a better pocket as well as more time and room to throw deep?
 
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Wouldn't a good O-line give him a better pocket as well as more time and room to throw deep?
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All the parrots on this board keep repeating the same nonsense about pocket presence. When people have looked critically at tape, they come to the conclusion that his pocket presence is fine for a 2nd year pro. He has shown the ability to feel pressure since college. I'm glad that after last season, he doesn't appear to be feeling phantom pressure. IMO, that is the much bigger concern with Tannehill. He is being trained to play primarily from the pocket. Our OL won't always be that bad. When it improves, Tannehill will have had the experience of dealing with pressure, hits, cluttered pockets, etc.

Tannehill would be the first to admit that he didn't do a good enough job hitting Wallace. I don't think you'll hear him making any excuses but early in the year he was hesitating on the throw and late in the year (IMO) he was pressing.
 
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