Mike Wallace's Sturggles are not on Mike Wallace

[J. David Wannyheimer]

yeah that's a lack of awareness by wallace of where the positioning of the safety and running his route accordingly...right route but turned to the wrong side...might just be something that wallace needs time on in this o...might be a problem he's gonna continue to have...

It's definitely an ongoing problem. He did it in the last drive against Baltimore, has an easy ten-plus yard completion on the sideline, and cuts inside toward the coverage. Ball is outside, incomplete. Same type of play, ball 'behind' him.

The more I watch, the more I think this signing was 100% about Steve Ross trying to influence the stadium proposal voting.

 

[Lord Of Miami]

Can't stand him anymore...to the point where i traded him in madden
lol

 

[hoops]

It's definitely an ongoing problem. He did it in the last drive against Baltimore, has an easy ten-plus yard completion on the sideline, and cuts inside toward the coverage. Ball is outside, incomplete. Same type of play, ball 'behind' him.

The more I watch, the more I think this signing was 100% about Steve Ross trying to influence the stadium proposal voting.

i think it was about the need for speed to open up things for others...hes not reading coverage and leverage well right now...

 

[Dr. Phin]

You guys don't get it. It doesn't matter if he is doing well or not. He is taking double coverage which leaves Hartline wide open. So, it is clearly Hartline's fault....

Sarcasm off...for now...

 

[JTech194]

To the OP, I agree our coaching staff has a history and current problem with miss using players and not putting players in the position where they naturally excel.

But Mike Wallace drops too many passes when the rock hits him right in the hands. It has happened at least once every game this season!

Unacceptable for a $60 million dollar receiver.

He drops passes I agree, but so does every other receiver in the NFL. The difference is every other team's #1 WR gets more than 4-6 targets per game. So they get more opportunities to actually catch passes, so when they drop one, it doesn't seem that big a deal. With our #1 WR, it seems like he only gets 4-5 opportunities a game so when he drops one it's seem a whole lot worst. If he was targeted 10 times a game, caught 8 passes and dropped 2, no one would even notice. But when you get targeted 4 times catch 2 and drop 2 it gets noticed.

 

[hoops]

most his dropped passes are because he and tannehill are not seeing the coverage the same...been a couple blatant just drops by wallace but for the most part tannehill sees it one way wallace another...

for my study on just about all of em the wrs the one that made the mistake...minus the tipped ball pick against the saints...that was on the qb

you have to understand that this qb is gonna throw it the opposite side of leverage...that's what the offense is about...hartline and gibson understood it and ran routes accordingly thus not many tipped balls by them...wallace has yet to figure it out...this is one the reasons you need smart wrs in this o...you don't just run your routes regardless of coverage and db leverage you adjust your breaks the way you turn etc off the coverage and leverage played against you

 

[JTech194]

I agree and I think the main reason we don't throw more deep passes is because they don't trust the oline to hold their blocks that long. however, how about more bubble screens, slants, reverses etc... get creative, you have to find ways to get your #1 guy the ball. Saying that they just throw to the open guy is LAZY COACHING

 

[hoops]

they definitely could do a better job to get wallace the ball in space...but yeah the concerns about protection have taken a lot of the vertical stuff out of the playbook...more 3 step drops etc and not taking the time to develop deeper routes...

 

[J. David Wannyheimer]

you have to understand that this qb is gonna throw it the opposite side of leverage...that's what the offense is about...hartline and gibson understood it and ran routes accordingly thus not many tipped balls by them...wallace has yet to figure it out...this is one the reasons you need smart wrs in this o...you don't just run your routes regardless of coverage and db leverage you adjust your breaks the way you turn etc off the coverage and leverage played against you

And that's why I put the 'miscommunications' mostly on Wallace and not on the QB. How come Gibson and Tannehill got on the same page almost immediately? Tannehill and Keller? Yet there is no 'chemistry' between Wallace and Tannehill?

But for what it's worth Jtech, I do agree with you that the coaching is, uhm, lazy. Why not put Wallace in motion more? How come we rarely throw screens to him? How come he isn't used on crossing routes ever?

It's just weird.

 

[hoops]

And that's why I put the 'miscommunications' mostly on Wallace and not on the QB. How come Gibson and Tannehill got on the same page almost immediately? Tannehill and Keller? Yet there is no 'chemistry' between Wallace and Tannehill?

But for what it's worth Jtech, I do agree with you that the coaching is, uhm, lazy. Why not put Wallace in motion more? How come we rarely throw screens to him? How come he isn't used on crossing routes ever?

It's just weird.

yeah its very much on wallace right now...i mean you can't excuse the qb completely but it's wallace who is not reading things properly for just about all these tipped balls in open space etc...and he'd have at least 2 more tds that i know of if he read/ran it right...as would tannehill

 

[Chubby]

Plain and simple not sure how much more proof we need that Wallace has the speed but not the brains to be an Eliite #1 WR.

 

[hoops]

and i guarandamn tee you most the people who are watching these games and seeing these missed throws are laying the blame square on the qb...when it's not on him...there's so much on the qbs plate in this o and he doesn't get any lee way as a 2nd year starter 23 games in as a pro it's not funny...set up the protections read the box and the safeties read db leverage and coverage throw the ball away from leverage and don't throw your pass catchers into hard contact

and people ***** and moan that he's suppose to be awesome at all of it from day 1...all the while getting heavy upfield power rush pressure and his tackles giving away the inside arm so when he does step up in the pocket he runs right into contact...

most sacked qb in the league taking hard contact all over the place...horrendous tackle play thru week 6 and no run game...

yes it all comes with the job but a little patience is in order

 

[Czonka39]

Because when they do, he drops the ball.

 

[JTech194]

Because when they do, he drops the ball.

I have seen him drop too many deep passes. What I have seen drop are comeback passes and digs and in routes with DB's all over him. That's not his skillset. I'd love it to be, but its not. And we know it wasn't before he got here so why get upset when he can't do it? I'll get upset when he stops blowing by the Defense and starts dropping deep passes. That's what he's proven that he can do. Not this mickey mouse ass sh** we're trying to make him do.

 

[JTech194]

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Look at the game video. See the safety? The safety is inside. Ready to take his head off. See the ball placement? The ball placement is OUTSIDE, away from the safety. Ryan Tannehill threw the ball correctly.

Incidentally, Mike Wallace is not doing things he's proven he's done in Pittsburgh. You know what he did in Pittsburgh? He came down with contested catches when he was underthrown by Roethlisberger. When the QB underthrows the receiver, he can make adjustments to the football and execute the catch. He did that in Pittsburgh. He has only done it once so far here. That's a problem.

Ryan Tannehill needs a lot of improvement, but Mike Wallace's problems are Mike Wallace's problems.

Maybe that's true, maybe it's not. I can look at the play all day long, But unless we're in the huddle and know what they're being coached to do, we can't say that for sure. Just because the ball happened to sail outside doesn't mean Tanny actually tried to throw it there. All I'm saying is that he had to completely turn his body opposite of the direction he was running to make that catch. No easy feat. Especially when it looked like he didn't expect it to be out there.