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Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel expects Packers to use tag on Flynn now

ckparrothead said:
I'll believe it happens, WHEN it happens.

The Packers had about $7.9 million under a projected $120.4 million salary cap BEFORE they re-signed Finley. They've got a maximum of about $2 million under the cap left after signing Finley. The franchise tag costs $14.5 million. They have to clear $12-13 million in salary cap space just to apply the tag. And keep in mind to do a sign and trade, even if it's for a very brief moment, that salary counts and the Packers would be severely penalized if they went over the salary cap. So no matter what, if they're going to do this, they have to clear the cap room for it.

And what happens if teams call their bluff? The moment they offer Flynn the franchise tender he could sign it and then that $14.5 million is GUARANTEED. They'd have to clear another $5 million just to sign their draft picks.

I just don't see all that happening.

At WORST what would be happening would be a handshake agreement between the Packers and Dolphins that the Dolphins will not delay and will send over some low amount of compensation for Flynn immediately upon signing the tender. The Packers would have to clear the aforementioned $12-13 million under the cap, but because Miami would be trading for him right away, they wouldn't have to clear the additional $5 million for draft picks, and then when Miami trades for him sooner rather than later they can turn around and use the $14.5 million to do some damage in free agency.

Why would Miami do this? If the compensation agreed upon is low enough, they'd be doing it simply because they fear what Flynn will get on the open market. They'd do it because they would rather be the lone negotiators with Flynn, than to take the chance that a bidding war erupts and Flynn ends up with even more money than Cassel/Kolb got.

It COULD happen...but personally, I don't see it happening.
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OK, but what about the other side of the coin? What about Flynn's contract?

I would think he'd want the $14.5 Million for the year ... then want a monster contract the next year. This assumes he thinks he'd do well, & all QBs think that.

For Flynn to accept a NEW contract ... while staring at a guaranteed $14.5 Million this year & a possibility/gamble of signing a NEW Contract the following year with a mega-bonus of $20++ Million the following year ... a team would have to give him a monster offer (& give up draft pick compensation too.)

Who-weeee, for Flnn to pass that money/opportunity up, he'd have to get a MEGA-Contract to replace that with ALOT of GUARANTEED money.

Sure looks like Flynn is in the drivers seat ... not the Packers or any team who wants him & takes on huge salary cap money for a gamble.

Maybe I'm missing something????
 
ok, our team is doomed for the next 10 years now....lol

Ozzy rules!!
 
Guys stop using those kind of words" Big Blow" to the dolphins, when you don't know what they are trying to accomplish, Miami might not be even considering Flynn, Flynn haven't done squat but won 2 games in his career, so please lets put things in perspective.
 
I think that you let Flynn hit open market and see what his value is to other teams, maybe cleveland likes him and that free up a QB in the draft to come to Miami, Matt Moore will do just fine in the short term, there's no reason to jump out there to get Flynn when there are other options available, Manning could come in and be very good for this team even if it's for 3 years, by that time the rookie will be ready because he's learned from one of the best ever.
 
ckparrothead said:
I'll believe it happens, WHEN it happens.

The Packers had about $7.9 million under a projected $120.4 million salary cap BEFORE they re-signed Finley. They've got a maximum of about $2 million under the cap left after signing Finley. The franchise tag costs $14.5 million. They have to clear $12-13 million in salary cap space just to apply the tag. And keep in mind to do a sign and trade, even if it's for a very brief moment, that salary counts and the Packers would be severely penalized if they went over the salary cap. So no matter what, if they're going to do this, they have to clear the cap room for it.

And what happens if teams call their bluff? The moment they offer Flynn the franchise tender he could sign it and then that $14.5 million is GUARANTEED. They'd have to clear another $5 million just to sign their draft picks.

I just don't see all that happening.

At WORST what would be happening would be a handshake agreement between the Packers and Dolphins that the Dolphins will not delay and will send over some low amount of compensation for Flynn immediately upon signing the tender. The Packers would have to clear the aforementioned $12-13 million under the cap, but because Miami would be trading for him right away, they wouldn't have to clear the additional $5 million for draft picks, and then when Miami trades for him sooner rather than later they can turn around and use the $14.5 million to do some damage in free agency.

Why would Miami do this? If the compensation agreed upon is low enough, they'd be doing it simply because they fear what Flynn will get on the open market. They'd do it because they would rather be the lone negotiators with Flynn, than to take the chance that a bidding war erupts and Flynn ends up with even more money than Cassel/Kolb got.

It COULD happen...but personally, I don't see it happening.
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Agreed. Plus, if they tag him, MOVE ON. Manning, Tannehill and I cannot believe I am saying this...I would rather have Weeden than trade another pick for a QB.
 
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DolfanDuBbZ~ said:
So why then would they use a TOP 10 pick on a QB who has a season and half under his belt? A very Raw project QB.
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that's the exact reason i think tannehill is the last resort on irelands list...manning and flynn and then tannehill should those two options fall through...i don't think he wants to invest in a raw like you said qb who may take years to get results but i think in the event we miss out on the two listed thats the route it will go and one has to think that sherman is endorsing tannehill as well...not to mention there's a lot of momentum right now that tannehill is rising up draft boards...top half of round 1 before its all said and done i can see it...
 
luduporcu said:
Can you say "Roger Staubach"? I'll bet that IRELAND can, seeing as how he came to us from the DALLAS COWBOYS, who weren't meek, piss-in-their-pants fools regarding picking up a 28 year old QB.
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so you use an example from 48 years ago who was drafted in the tenth round and try and tell me thats the same thing as using a top 40 pick in todays draft on a 28 year old qb...

i suggest you do better than that...cause that makes absolutely zero sense

i'm not saying though that someone won't pull the trigger on weeden in the top 40 although i do think round 1 is out i just don't think ireland has that kind of luxury at this time...i think irelands under pressure and i don't think he can sell a 28 year old draft pick qb as the answer to ross...but maybe i'm wrong on that...just the way i see it
 
If they tag him they are going to be calling some teams and looking for the best offer of course..Matt Cassell was had for a 2nd rounder and Mike Vrabel was also traded as well. The Broncos wanted Cassell too at the time so you gotta think they offered something under a 2nd...Flynn is not worth more than Cassell at this point... Cassell started a number of games for the Pats...I am guessing Flynn could be had for around a late 2nd...To me that makes sense.
 
ckparrothead said:
I'll believe it happens, WHEN it happens.

The Packers had about $7.9 million under a projected $120.4 million salary cap BEFORE they re-signed Finley. They've got a maximum of about $2 million under the cap left after signing Finley. The franchise tag costs $14.5 million. They have to clear $12-13 million in salary cap space just to apply the tag. And keep in mind to do a sign and trade, even if it's for a very brief moment, that salary counts and the Packers would be severely penalized if they went over the salary cap. So no matter what, if they're going to do this, they have to clear the cap room for it.

And what happens if teams call their bluff? The moment they offer Flynn the franchise tender he could sign it and then that $14.5 million is GUARANTEED. They'd have to clear another $5 million just to sign their draft picks.

I just don't see all that happening.

At WORST what would be happening would be a handshake agreement between the Packers and Dolphins that the Dolphins will not delay and will send over some low amount of compensation for Flynn immediately upon signing the tender. The Packers would have to clear the aforementioned $12-13 million under the cap, but because Miami would be trading for him right away, they wouldn't have to clear the additional $5 million for draft picks, and then when Miami trades for him sooner rather than later they can turn around and use the $14.5 million to do some damage in free agency.

Why would Miami do this? If the compensation agreed upon is low enough, they'd be doing it simply because they fear what Flynn will get on the open market. They'd do it because they would rather be the lone negotiators with Flynn, than to take the chance that a bidding war erupts and Flynn ends up with even more money than Cassel/Kolb got.

It COULD happen...but personally, I don't see it happening.
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word is that the pack is gonna let wells walk so theres some cap relief there don't know how much...but are you saying that if they tag flynn that the $14 mil regardless of if they trade him or not counts against the packs cap??? if thats correct i don't see them doing it either but if they can get that money back on the cap by trading him i think its still very possible...and if the compensation is just a low round pick why even go thru all the trouble...i have to think it has to be worth it to them which to me for a qb in trade 2nd round sounds like the right compensation to make it worth their time and probably the max return they can get
 
Flynn was intriguing because he was free of draft/trade compensation . . . giving up a day 1 or day 2 pick is totally out of the question in my book.
 
With Wells, Driver and a couple other players, the Packers can easily make room to fit in Flynn's tag number. Folks, Flynn getting the tag is probably happening.
 
losing driver at this stage to get that 2nd round pick wr on the field to me is a no brainer...driver can still help someone but he's on his last legs despite being in terrific shape...father time just catches up...there's got to be some cap relief there...not sure its a large number though...and yeah wells i'm thinking isn't making all that good money but seems like he's being let go...they got any other long in the tooth vets with high cap numbers for 2012 or severe underperformers with big cap hits cause if so i can see them doing some trimming of the fat
 
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