Mis-Direction Running Plays...

[FinNasty]

These have got to stop being called so frequently. I honestly believe that we call more mis-direction runs than we do straight up runs. These runs take longer to develop and lose their effect after so many are called. They are supposed to be used to trick defenses, but when they become your main type of running play, the trick wears off and these running plays that take longer to develop become less effective...

Please... just line 'em up and smash 'em in the mouth....

 

[Phins40]

These have got to stop being called so frequently. I honestly believe that we call more mis-direction runs than we do straight up runs. These runs take longer to develop and lose their effect after so many are called. They are supposed to be used to trick defenses, but when they become your main type of running play, the trick wears off and these running plays that take longer to develop become less effective...

Please... just line 'em up and smash 'em in the mouth....

i get waht your saying but our o line isnt good enough to run smash mouth and it seems to be working ok ... and i play linebacker for my high school and no matter how many time a team runs misdiretion it still might leave you step behind somtimes

 

[FinNasty]

Ya, but when teams are gameplanning around our pulling guards and misdirection plays, they arnt going to be as good. I think we need to atleast call a few more straight up runs than these misdirection ones.

The trick wears off...

 

[bluehaze]

It's funny that you post this, personally after watching Ronnie run into the backs of our O-line constantly in the Detroit game I was wondering why we weren't calling more misdirection plays

I guess it is all in the perspective that you watch the games though if you think they are running too many then I suppose they are calling enough of them. I had never really paid much attention to it before the Detroit game.

 

[rdhstlr23]

These have got to stop being called so frequently. I honestly believe that we call more mis-direction runs than we do straight up runs. These runs take longer to develop and lose their effect after so many are called. They are supposed to be used to trick defenses, but when they become your main type of running play, the trick wears off and these running plays that take longer to develop become less effective...

Please... just line 'em up and smash 'em in the mouth....

I disagree. I love the counter in which Joey shows the ball early, and then they run the opposite way. We did this a ton when Norv Turner was calling it for Ricky Williams (he had 1800+ yards that year). Mis-direction is where it is at now. It's so hard to just lineup and physically dominate teams. Why do you think teams are now having different plays for 4th and inches? We see so many fake dive pitches, sweeps, counters, traps, PA Passes on 4th inches now, that it must mean something. It means Defenses are tough to just dominate for 4 quarters. I think we're doing a great job of mixing up our runs. With Jeno James coming back, it should help our "Mis-Direction" Run game more. With Toniu Fonoti playing well on Thursday, it should allow us to run right at some people a little more. I think the running game and the run play-calling has progressed nicely this season.

 

[SCall13]

I don't think we run counters enough. We run up the middle, straight up, alot. Saban has referred to it as wadball. The counters open gaps and give the running back better cut back lanes and options. I probably shouldn't say this, but part of the problem can be attributed to Ronnie not hitting it up in the holes fast enough. Everyone knows there are times when he is a little slow cutting it up. Then there are times when he is quick to the holes. He's getting better, but the entire problem can't be pinned on the line or over-use of the play. Quite frankly, as little as we have run this year (taking into consideration the run-pass ratio) it's hard to say we have RAN anything too much...

 

[SCall13]

I disagree. I love the counter in which Joey shows the ball early, and then they run the opposite way. We did this a ton when Norv Turner was calling it for Ricky Williams (he had 1800+ yards that year). Mis-direction is where it is at now. It's so hard to just lineup and physically dominate teams. Why do you think teams are now having different plays for 4th and inches? We see so many fake dive pitches, sweeps, counters, traps, PA Passes on 4th inches now, that it must mean something. It means Defenses are tough to just dominate for 4 quarters. I think we're doing a great job of mixing up our runs. With Jeno James coming back, it should help our "Mis-Direction" Run game more. With Toniu Fonoti playing well on Thursday, it should allow us to run right at some people a little more. I think the running game and the run play-calling has progressed nicely this season.

This is correct. We had alot of success with Ricky running the counters because he was so quick at attacking the cutback lanes. Like I said in my previous post, Ronnie needs to improve his decision making and attack the lanes quicker. You can see he is improving on this. But you can also see his hesitation from time to time. If we hit these gaps on the counters consistently, good things will happen more often.

 

[ZOD]

These have got to stop being called so frequently. I honestly believe that we call more mis-direction runs than we do straight up runs. These runs take longer to develop and lose their effect after so many are called. They are supposed to be used to trick defenses, but when they become your main type of running play, the trick wears off and these running plays that take longer to develop become less effective...

Please... just line 'em up and smash 'em in the mouth....

You are missing the purpose of the reverse play. A reverse is ineffective versus ZONE coverage. We don't get zone coverage. We want zone coverage. The call is meant to suck the defense out of man coverage.

A "man" defense can kill the base running game. Reverse is just another way to RUN versus "man". If we didn't call a reverse (when it's called) the call would have been pass. Normally a reverse is called to loosen up the defense. They have evidently sold out to stop the run. Fans can't see it. We're not in the booth looking for it. The coordinator is looking for it. Many times the call is just meant to tighten the sphincter of a defensive coordinator that has a noose around our running game.

Reverse is also an attempt to assist the receiver on his regular pass routes. If a receiver cannot get open through his own merit, the coordinator can assist the receiver by giving a "man" corner something else to think about. It's a way to screw with the technique of a corner. These are professionals and when they are "on" they do not miss an element of their technique. So you screw with their heads in an attempt to screw up their technique on the next play.

A reverse is an influence play as much as anything. If it works for long yardage - the coordinator is a genius. If it doesn't work for long yardage - he's an idiot. The point no fan seems to get is that it's a larger part of a chess match. You can't see what it did for the receiver on the next play or any play after that. You are not in the defenders head. That is where the coordinator wants to be. He's trying to get into the defender's head.

Despite popular opinion, the reverse is not just a form of surprise drawn up in the sand.

 

[FinNasty]

You are missing the purpose of the reverse play. A reverse is ineffective versus ZONE coverage. We don't get zone coverage. We want zone coverage. The call is meant to suck the defense out of man coverage.

A "man" defense can kill the base running game. Reverse is just another way to RUN versus "man". If we didn't call a reverse (when it's called) the call would have been pass. Normally a reverse is called to loosen up the defense. They have evidently sold out to stop the run. Fans can't see it. We're not in the booth looking for it. The coordinator is looking for it. Many times the call is just meant to tighten the sphincter of a defensive coordinator that has a noose around our running game.

Reverse is also an attempt to assist the receiver on his regular pass routes. If a receiver cannot get open through his own merit, the coordinator can assist the receiver by giving a "man" corner something else to think about. It's a way to screw with the technique of a corner. These are professionals and when they are "on" they do not miss an element of their technique. So you screw with their heads in an attempt to screw up their technique on the next play.

A reverse is an influence play as much as anything. If it works for long yardage - the coordinator is a genius. If it doesn't work for long yardage - he's an idiot. The point no fan seems to get is that it's a larger part of a chess match. You can't see what it did for the receiver on the next play or any play after that. You are not in the defenders head. That is where the coordinator wants to be. He's trying to get into the defender's head.

Despite popular opinion, the reverse is not just a form of surprise drawn up in the sand.

Oh, I aint talking about reverses... I am talking about counters and misdirection running plays. IMO, we need to call more regular run plays and mix in the counters/misdirection plays with them. Like SCall was saying, Ronnie isnt the most decisive runner yet. I say half the time give him a hole and let him hit it.

The misdirection/counter runs are taking a long time to develop and are a big contributing factor as to why Ronnie gets hit in the backfield at times...

 

[ZOD]

Oh, I aint talking about reverses... I am talking about counters and misdirection running plays. IMO, we need to call more regular run plays and mix in the counters/misdirection plays with them. Like SCall was saying, Ronnie isnt the most decisive runner yet. I say half the time give him a hole and let him hit it.

The misdirection/counter runs are taking a long time to develop and are a big contributing factor as to why Ronnie gets hit in the backfield at times...

I really don't know how you tell which runs are counters or misdirection. With all the in vogue running schemes alive today it is really difficult to tell the assignment of the back while watching live TV.

The inside/outside zone schemes give the runner the decision of where to run. There is usually only one bubble where he should have run. But you have to review film to see the error of the runner. That just two schemes. Within those two schemes there are many errors to be made. There is no defined "hole". The backs assignment is to run to daylight. It's only after the play is over that you can find the mistake.

As for the Dolphins - To tell you the truth, I don't think we run many counters in the base running game. I think Brown doesn't hit the hole fast enough. Then he scrambles for a gain through cutback. That's just an opinion and it's uninformed at that........

 

[Regan21286]

These have got to stop being called so frequently. I honestly believe that we call more mis-direction runs than we do straight up runs. These runs take longer to develop and lose their effect after so many are called. They are supposed to be used to trick defenses, but when they become your main type of running play, the trick wears off and these running plays that take longer to develop become less effective...

Please... just line 'em up and smash 'em in the mouth....

They always work on Madden.

With Morris our probable starting RB, I think we'll be focusing on straight up runs more often. Stuff like counters and misdirections probably work better on Ricky anyways. But it's good to slip a few of those just to keep the defenses honest.

 

[FinNasty]

They always work on Madden.

With Morris our probable starting RB, I think we'll be focusing on straight up runs more often. Stuff like counters and misdirections probably work better on Ricky anyways. But it's good to slip a few of those just to keep the defenses honest.

Oh, I completely agree... but when they become the norm... we have a problem...

 

[Shamboubou]

I really think that having Sammy Morris this week may help the running game. I like how he just hit the hole he's supposed to hit and doesn't wait and wait for the hole. I like to watch Ronnie when he is one, but when he isn't its hard to watch. I think Sammy Morris may be a more explosive runner.