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well ya but, he didnt' get reps with the first team and he hasn't started 30 games for miami....
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well ya but, he didnt' get reps with the first team and he hasn't started 30 games for miami....
What Moore showed is nothing. He proved nothing today. And Henne is not the answer is a fine way to say it then, QB is the most pressing need by far. And so is backup QB unless Henne wants that. You're only as good as your backup QB. We don't have either perhaps. But I do agree our problems are more than QB and that was shown in the game, and that is basically what your saying, I guess I'm tired of the stance that there is not a QB problem.
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Ok, then pass up a QB in the first round and lets give Moore 30 games. It doesn't matter, the guy blows, if he was so good he would of played good in Carolina, look at Cam Newton can even throw for 400 yards, not once, but twice repeatedly on that garbage team and is putting up points. Something we cant do. Moore sucks, and Idk why everyone defending him. Henne will most likely be out for multiple weeks and Moore will probably face New York and get creamed like Thigpen did when "he just needs first team reps" then he went out and faced Chicago and what happened? Shutout? He isn't good, just more garbage this regime brought in. He was benched for Jimmy Clausen. This team is a joke right now and we need a new coach. Moore sucks, Henne sucks. Idc anymore, Im done defending all of these clowns.
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I would love to say QB is the biggest need, but I disagree, This team has so many holes the coach is the biggest need right now. No FS or SS. No Pass Rush, No offensive line, no Qb, No HBs, No number 2 WR, No TE threat. What exactly are we doing here?
2007 had a ton of holes and fixing QB position, while solidifying just a couple other areas, allowed us to be division winners the next year. Atlanta was terrible the year before they got Matt Ryan.
Don't underestimate what a real QB can do to change a team's fortunes. Once a team wins once or twice because of the QB making plays, they will start making plays themselves. But this team has seen the opposite; they saw the QB position lose games for them repeatedly, and all the franchise did was stand pat in that area, so where is the team's belief in winning supposed to come from? They've all paid lip service to Henne, but every one of them remembers how he's choked away chances at wins.
The big thing is, we can find at least marginal improvements for deficiencies besides QB on the market. But you don't find QB's on the open market, and that's why in spite of my seeming support for Moore here, if this franchise fails to draft a real QB because of Moore, Henne, or anyone else, I may have had enough.
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I completely agree, but at the same time, The Falcons also added leadership offensively and defensively. I would love a rookie QB, but this team just seems so far off. Everyone seems to be soft on our defense. Soft and Finesse. I could understand Sean Smith being a Technical player, hes a CB, but when it starts getting into our LBs and its just too much. We need players that will hold other players accountable. These players don't hold themselves accountable, especially because they have NO respect for the coach. We had a chance to bring in two big offensive linemen, and put Pouncey at Guard or someone else at guard and keep Carey at RT, but whatd we do? get Columbo? This coaching staff is a joke.
I couldn't care as much if Smith was soft on tackling...but he is soft in coverage too. He gives up at least one TD or bomb per game and whiffs every chance he gets to make a pick. Smith will not be starting here for another regime, and if Jason Allen had been drafted by them like Smith was, he'd still be here and probably playing about the same (but actually getting picks). As it was, Allen wasn't their guy, so when he screws up, he's gone.
But to get back to the rest of your post, other pieces can be picked up to help this team. That's what happened between 2007 and 2008. Even if it's not a one year playoff turnaround, all it takes is a QB who can not choke away games when he is in position to at least bring us to respectability. As it is, no matter how good or bad or QB really is, he is clearly only good enough to lose the game no matter what else happens.
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I see no leadership on D. Everyone is getting burnt, even when Vontae was in here, he was getting beat downfield by no names, and giving up bombs. I honestly just give up this season and we need a new regime, but I'm certain that they wont get rid of Vontae and Smith unless they walk. Look at Dallas, Newman has been bashed in and out on coverage and tackling and Dallas but still has a job, because he isn't a bad corner, and the guy gets beat more than a drum. Its the scheme, help and crappy team that is making everyone look bad. What ever happened to Starks? Hes not clogging the lane, creating pressure or anything. Langford? Wake? Paul? Dansby? Misi? Burnett? Taylor? Is their ONE player on our defense that you could say.. Hey I am proud of that guy, and how realistic is it for somebody to come in and completely clean house and just get a whole new set of players, very unlikely. This season is just so frustrating, but heck, even look at the Lions, they still have players from their 0-16 and losing seasons, sometimes its just players being tough and having that kill attitude that this team doesn't have. All you need is 1 player to have it.
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I agree with you completely. I was referring to the OP's point of view
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O my bad..
Thigpen got a whole two days to prepare for Chicago. He went from third string to starting against one of the league's absolute toughest defenses.
I'm not saying Moore should get 30 more starts. I'd just like to see him get some starts to make this miserable season all the more entertaining than it would be if we had a near guaranteed loss with Henne in there.
But I supposed since the guy got benched in Carolina, and he didn't light the world on fire, that we should just go back to Henne for (insert reason here).
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Moore and Henne are what they are. They are pretty good back-ups but thats it. I've seen all of Henne and Moore's games being a FinFan and living in N. Carolina and they're are similar in that they show flashes of greatness at times. Maybe a play, or series, or game or two, but eventualy they go back to being themselves. They are inconsistant. That's what they are. They're both decent human beings but they're not franchise quarterbacks, so arguing over them is just silly. We need a stud a QB. The kind of guy that brings his A game day in and day out. That guy will pull on Marshall's (or anyone else) ears in the huddle in front of everyone else and demand he catch the next one or not report back. We get that guy and it permeates the rest of the team.