Mort on Mike and Mike

[utahphinsfan]

...This is why I get so frustrated when people say that we can't possibly promote Brian Gaine. Just because person A works for person B, it does not mean that person A shares the values, competence, and philosophies of person B. In fact, person A often resents person B and thinks he could do things a lot better.

I don't think JI is Millen bad but close.


So, JDW, I'm confused? Its possible then that Jeffy isn't one of the Parcells pod people? Its obvious though that Henning & the meatball were.

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dolphin fans don't know whats its like to be a cowboys fan because their owner has at least produced 3 superbowl rings while our owner in 5 years of ownership has never produced a winning season

& because Ross doesn't multitask like Jerruh who is the owner, GM, head cheerleader & Dez's therapist.

 

[Dmarino110]

 

[AL R]

dolphin fans don't know whats its like to be a cowboys fan because their owner has at least produced 3 superbowl rings while our owner in 5 years of ownership has never produced a winning season

Well I was basically referring to recent history and team expectations...

2013 Dallas Cowboys NFL 8 8 0 2012 Dallas Cowboys NFL 8 8 0
2011 Dallas Cowboys NFL 8 8 0 2010 Dallas Cowboys NFL 6 10 0

Sound familiar?

 

[H4wt Pocket]

I can't stand this team anymore. If Ireland is back theres a good chance I won't be.

I feel the same way. I won't be back until Ireland is gone. No, I'm not changing teams, I'm just taking a break from the mediocrity and stupidity that is the Miami Dolphins. I'll follow my fantasy teams and nothing else.

If Ross doesn't see the point in firing Ireland, then I don't see the point in wasting my time and money on this organization.

 

[DeathStar]

Just don't buy tickets.

I watch at home and don't let losses affect me anymore.

The mediocre folks from out of town will always complain...They can buy tickets.

 

[GoonBoss]

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=10230576

Cliff Notes

* Ross likes "stability" and "loyalty"
* Joe is safe
* Needs to make some staff changes possibly
* Many though Ireland would have his office cleaned out by now, but is still there. His fate might be decided by the Wells Report, but it is after the Super Bowl the findings will come out.

I thought I would pass this along to everyone.

I think I've pointed this out time after time after time. There are some guys out there (I've worked on contract for one)
That latch on to "Their guys". To tell the story again, it was up in Rochester, NY on a contract. There was a security
breach that was pretty inexcusable. There were mitigating circumstances, but..Yeah. I was responsible, as the site
commander for the ****up, and frankly, I expected to be removed. His plant manager stopped by my office on his way
out and we talked a little, with me expressing my worry.

"Don't worry. You're one of his guys. He doesn't fire his guys."

That statement has stayed with me, and as soon as Ireland got on that plane with Ross, I knew that was it.

[Tony Reali] YOU PEOPLE [/Tony Reali] need to realize that cold, hard fact. You'd appreciate that kind of
loyalty if it was displayed to you in your job.

Now............I think this past draft is inexcusable. No way can you justify hanging onto a GM that can't...Well...
GM. Though it will be interesting to see what happens next year when people are healthy (Hopefully). I really
hope this isn't a disconnect between coach and GM and the HC not playing players the GM got.

If you guys are expecting Ross to blow stuff up every couple of years, it's not going to happen. It's not how
he runs. The guy is a winner at life, and is perfectly able to make decisions. His style has served him well,
and he's unlikely to change it. Like it or not.

Barring something really damning from the Incognito situation, I predict that Ireland and Philbin stay in place.
I think this is Ireland's last dance though.

 

[NRA]

its just as funny to me that not only did people think this was a playoff team but also that ireland would be going anywhere but back to his office.

we are living in the era of NO ACCOUNTABLILITY so you cant expect our football team would be exempt.

this is just like the HUIZENGA/WANSTEDT nightmare. we will have YEARS wondering when or if ross will dump ireland.

 

[finfan54]

I think I've pointed this out time after time after time. There are some guys out there (I've worked on contract for one)
That latch on to "Their guys". To tell the story again, it was up in Rochester, NY on a contract. There was a security
breach that was pretty inexcusable. There were mitigating circumstances, but..Yeah. I was responsible, as the site
commander for the ****up, and frankly, I expected to be removed. His plant manager stopped by my office on his way
out and we talked a little, with me expressing my worry.

"Don't worry. You're one of his guys. He doesn't fire his guys."

That statement has stayed with me, and as soon as Ireland got on that plane with Ross, I knew that was it.

[Tony Reali] YOU PEOPLE [/Tony Reali] need to realize that cold, hard fact. You'd appreciate that kind of
loyalty if it was displayed to you in your job.

Now............I think this past draft is inexcusable. No way can you justify hanging onto a GM that can't...Well...
GM. Though it will be interesting to see what happens next year when people are healthy (Hopefully). I really
hope this isn't a disconnect between coach and GM and the HC not playing players the GM got.

If you guys are expecting Ross to blow stuff up every couple of years, it's not going to happen. It's not how
he runs. The guy is a winner at life, and is perfectly able to make decisions. His style has served him well,
and he's unlikely to change it. Like it or not.

Barring something really damning from the Incognito situation, I predict that Ireland and Philbin stay in place.
I think this is Ireland's last dance though.

Like Ive said time and time and time again. I think they all will be on notice for one more year.

If anyone for just a second would think about how much more still has to be done with our own FA's and now rebuilding our Oline, if you run through each player in your brain, just as a simpleton outsider (like myself), you should start to wonder hard about blowing the whole thing up. Because after you get done thinking about that, you then start to wonder about Wallace and the LB's and the money out there and what the new GM would have to deal with, and he cannot pick his own HC aside from all of this.

You dont want to get rid of Philbin because its year 3 of RT's progression. The most important. Everything hinges on this in the end.

This is exactly what Ross is contemplating. And then he naturally just ends up saying. One more year for all of them, or maybe, just maybe, Ireland is gone after the draft if it looks like a bust draft for revamping this Oline. But everything is riding on RT in year 3.

Say it till the cows come home. Nobody wants to get it. Just Ireland's head on a platter at all costs.
people think I am a defender of Ireland. I am objective on Ireland alot more than anyone on here. Of course he has screwed up bad, but I am sorry, He is not Matt Millon. Thats like comparing Harrington to RT. That is basically what you are saying.

 

[Alex Trevelyan]

It's obvious to me Ross is an old school manager. He believes in learning from lessons and continuity breeding success. These are not the types to continue rehashing a problem year in and year out. Once their efforts are exercised on a decision, they work within the decision. They do not go back and continually focus resources on it.

Ross gave Ireland a new contract quietly after the draft and Free Agency. In his eyes, Jeff and the FO were given tasks and allowed to work within those tasks to meet the goals set forth by the rest of the organization. Apparently Jeff hit on all or most of his required milestones set forth by the organization. Thus he was rewarded.

If you follow this thinking, the problem, in Ross' eyes, is not with Jeff Ireland. And regardless of past failures or opinions, fans need to get right with Ross' viewpoint. Otherwise, we will just continue getting angrier and angrier about a situation we do not know enough about. And continuing to base our judgments on criteria not shared by the owner.

Ross was happy at 8 - 6. Giving the staff reassurances about next year. Then we flounder to 8 - 8 against 2 inferior DIVISION opponents and missed the playoffs. What could Jeff Ireland have done during those 2 games to change the outcome? Nothing. Thus in Ross' eyes the blame is on coaching and players.

How does a person who believes in long term continuity deal with unexpected failure after only a short term? Firing people? No.

Ross is conferring because he needs advise on how few tweaks he HAS to make in order to maintain continuity while manufacturing the most productivity and results from his current collection of people.

I think it's obvious the OL Coach is gone. And there may be some other sacrificial lambs. But Ross loves Philbin. Sherman is highly respected. And people such as Dan Marino will advise Ross that getting rid of Sherman would hurt Tannehill's development. And what is really needed is to fix the obvious problems: 1) Offensive Line, 2) Running Game and 3) Blocking TEs and FBs.

Then it will be suggested that Sherman change his play calling to be more balanced and less predictable.

It has been proven that longevity is the key to sustained success in the NFL. The fans want immediate success, starting next year. Most say they are patient to wait 3 years until we have sustained success. Well here we are; entering year 3. 7-9 to 8-8 is progress. And it's one game from the playoffs. And if success is not reached by any regime until Year 3, then we do not have the luxury of choosing which reasons we fail. Every regime will fail for different reasons. The difference is how they respond to challenges.

It's obvious the OLine and offense were challenged this year. But we still grew in certain areas, shed ourselves of a scandal and still almost made the playoffs. The problems are identified. Ross will give this collection of minds 1 more year to solve their problems. Even if they fail again, I do not expect a regime change. I expect OC and DC changes. But for the Ireland haters, until Ross believes Ireland is the reason for failure on the field he will have a job.

Remember, he got a raise after players had been acquired for the year. It's obvious to me that Ireland acquired the players Philbin and Staff wanted. It's on them if they couldn't manufacture wins from the players they wanted.

And I think Coyle has a lot of explaining to do for the lack of Jordan being on the field. I would imagine that topic has him firmly in the cross hairs. But not enough to lose his job in one year.

Ross doesn't knee jerk guys. A few sacrificial lambs is all in this year's slaughter.

This is well said, absolutely logical, rational and completely irrelevant. Ross only controls the situation tangentially. He is the owner, he makes the decisions, just as a politician makes the decisions on how to govern. Unfortunately for both Ross and a politician, they are ultimately answerable to their consumers or constituents. Ross is even more at their mercy then a politician, who can always count on various impediments to change that are built into the sort of political system we have and a lack of any real substantive choice, unlike in a parliamentary system. Ross's business interests are very susceptible to the whims of the public, entertainment options in South Florida are many. The Heat are great. The Dolphins are not drawing well. No one cares about them anymore. They don't elicit positive press in the national media.

There is an old saying in business: It takes 30-years to build a business; it takes 30-months to destroy it. There is another fancy term that Ross has probably heard of in marketing called demobilization, it's when a consumer essentially stops patronizing your product and either can't be induced to buy it again, or can only be induced to buy it again through a prohibitive cost to the company, i.e. unsustainable expenditures on advertising, price inducements, freebies, etc. How many fans of the Miami Dolphins demobilize every season with each new chapter of organizational incompetence and losing on the field? Ross is the presiding physician and his patient is bleeding out. The Dolphins played to 85% capacity this year, only 2 NFL teams--Raiders and Redskins, were worse.

Ross has a substantial investment that he must earn a return on and as it stands today, there was massive fan apathy or anger before they took a swan dive against the abysmal Bills and Jets. Ross must pander to his consumers, especially when he probably has a sneaking suspicion they just might be correct in their evaluation of the situation. He can wait another year, not make the "rash" decision, then further damage his investment. The stadium is half-empty now. I hear nothing but angry fans on talk radio. I myself cancelled season tickets in year 2 of the Wannstadt regime, and I will never renew them, ever. I haven't bought any Dolphins' merchandise in nearly 20-years. I will punish the owners of this franchise in the only way that any of us can, by refusing to buy the product. I have been demobilized. Ross better wake up.

 

[J. David Wannyheimer]

I miss Wayne Huzienga.

I don't. We went through the same ****ing garbage with Wanny. THE EXACT SAME GARBAGE with Wanny. Remember that?

Remember Spielman? Remember Saban/Spielman? Remember Saban/Mueller? Remember Cameron/Mueller? Remember the Tuna? Wayne Huizenga sucked as an owner.

I myself cancelled season tickets in year 2 of the Wannstadt regime

You and many others. It has taken a monumental mountain of sustained incompetence for us to reach this point.

 

[CRAZYDOLFAN305]

No way Ireland doesn't get fired. Its all his fault..

 

[thefranchisedef]

Ross is up to something

 

[PCmor]

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=10230576

Cliff Notes

* Ross likes "stability" and "loyalty"
* Joe is safe
* Needs to make some staff changes possibly
* Many though Ireland would have his office cleaned out by now, but is still there. His fate might be decided by the Wells Report, but it is after the Super Bowl the findings will come out.

I thought I would pass this along to everyone.

In conclusion: We're screwed.

 

[TarHeelFinFan]

I don't. We went through the same ****ing garbage with Wanny. THE EXACT SAME GARBAGE with Wanny. Remember that?

Remember Spielman? Remember Saban/Spielman? Remember Saban/Mueller? Remember Cameron/Mueller? Remember the Tuna? Wayne Huizenga sucked as an owner.





You and many others. It has taken a monumental mountain of sustained incompetence for us to reach this point.

Under Wannstedt the Dolphins were 42-31. We are worlds away from the Huizenga/Wannstedt years where 42-31 was considered fireable.

 

[jason_taylor]

It's obvious to me Ross is an old school manager. He believes in learning from lessons and continuity breeding success. These are not the types to continue rehashing a problem year in and year out. Once their efforts are exercised on a decision, they work within the decision. They do not go back and continually focus resources on it.

Ross gave Ireland a new contract quietly after the draft and Free Agency. In his eyes, Jeff and the FO were given tasks and allowed to work within those tasks to meet the goals set forth by the rest of the organization. Apparently Jeff hit on all or most of his required milestones set forth by the organization. Thus he was rewarded.

If you follow this thinking, the problem, in Ross' eyes, is not with Jeff Ireland. And regardless of past failures or opinions, fans need to get right with Ross' viewpoint. Otherwise, we will just continue getting angrier and angrier about a situation we do not know enough about. And continuing to base our judgments on criteria not shared by the owner.

Ross was happy at 8 - 6. Giving the staff reassurances about next year. Then we flounder to 8 - 8 against 2 inferior DIVISION opponents and missed the playoffs. What could Jeff Ireland have done during those 2 games to change the outcome? Nothing. Thus in Ross' eyes the blame is on coaching and players.

How does a person who believes in long term continuity deal with unexpected failure after only a short term? Firing people? No.

Ross is conferring because he needs advise on how few tweaks he HAS to make in order to maintain continuity while manufacturing the most productivity and results from his current collection of people.

I think it's obvious the OL Coach is gone. And there may be some other sacrificial lambs. But Ross loves Philbin. Sherman is highly respected. And people such as Dan Marino will advise Ross that getting rid of Sherman would hurt Tannehill's development. And what is really needed is to fix the obvious problems: 1) Offensive Line, 2) Running Game and 3) Blocking TEs and FBs.

Then it will be suggested that Sherman change his play calling to be more balanced and less predictable.

It has been proven that longevity is the key to sustained success in the NFL. The fans want immediate success, starting next year. Most say they are patient to wait 3 years until we have sustained success. Well here we are; entering year 3. 7-9 to 8-8 is progress. And it's one game from the playoffs. And if success is not reached by any regime until Year 3, then we do not have the luxury of choosing which reasons we fail. Every regime will fail for different reasons. The difference is how they respond to challenges.

It's obvious the OLine and offense were challenged this year. But we still grew in certain areas, shed ourselves of a scandal and still almost made the playoffs. The problems are identified. Ross will give this collection of minds 1 more year to solve their problems. Even if they fail again, I do not expect a regime change. I expect OC and DC changes. But for the Ireland haters, until Ross believes Ireland is the reason for failure on the field he will have a job.

Remember, he got a raise after players had been acquired for the year. It's obvious to me that Ireland acquired the players Philbin and Staff wanted. It's on them if they couldn't manufacture wins from the players they wanted.

And I think Coyle has a lot of explaining to do for the lack of Jordan being on the field. I would imagine that topic has him firmly in the cross hairs. But not enough to lose his job in one year.

Ross doesn't knee jerk guys. A few sacrificial lambs is all in this year's slaughter.

Well it was said that Tannehill dosent have confidance in Sherman anymore , i read that somewhere but anyways if Tannehill speaks im sure Ross will listen to Tannehill .