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This is my first mock, I tried to evaluate all the info from the approx 100 games I watched this year, plus the combine and pro day results. (as a matter of fact, this is my first post here too)

If I name more players than one: THE NAMES ARE IN ORDER OF PREFERENCE, in case there are 2-3 guys to choose from.

1. Chris Long (or - if possible - trade down a few places (not much, max 4-5 spots) for an additional 2nd, and grab Gholston and a CB with the additional 2nd) (I chose Chris Long, cause I think him - and Gholston - are much more ahead of the potential 2nd round DE's then Jake Long is ahead of the 2nd round OTs.
2a. Any OT out of the top guys available here (Otah, Baker, Clady, Williams, maybe Cherilus)
2b. Sweed, Kelly or Doucet if any of them is availables here - if not, we should probably look for a CB here
3. Any top TE available here (Bennett, Carlson, Keller, Davis, etc)
4. Frank Okam (FA signings helped, but we still need youth and depth at DT)
6. Jonathan Zenon (I have no idea why isn't he higher on the boards, he should be a first day pick imho)
6b. (probable compensatory pick) Dennis Dixon (I've seen him in several games this year, he's probably the best passer out of the running QBs, very smart, terrific leadership, 2 concerns are size and injury, I'd give him a chance to develop)
7. BPA (hoping for Jamie Silva, unlikely though, most likely is WR or OG imho)
7b. BPA

I tried to address the biggest needs without being unrealistic, and I also tried to think long term too, as we obviously can't fix every hole in one draft. It seems to me that next year's MLB class looks pretty good, so we might need to wait 1 season to find the next Zach Thomas.

About trading down: I think there are only 3 guys worth the top pick based on potential, ability, etc: Chris Long, Jake Long and Dorsey, but all 3 guys have pretty strong rivals in those positions, so if we can get any additional value with a trade, then we should trade. (A single additional 2nd would mean that we'd still get someone like Gholston, Ellis or Otah, plus someone like Antoine Cason or Terrel Thomas for example, and as a bonus we don't have to pay top money for the first pick either)

Now, for the Matt Ryan fans, I have no big problem with him either, only that we'd definitely reach if we select him anywhere in the top 8. I know, he'll probably go even higher than that, but that always happens to the top QB in the class. I don't think Parcells and Sparano wants to start here in Miami with a reach like that after last 2 years' draft, and I know I wouldn't. I also wouldn't want to have a 3-way competition for the starting job, 'cause then we'd be paying needlessly big money for both the backup and the 3rd string QB.

(Actually, I think there's one thing I really didn't like about Ryan - he's hiding from evaluation. He didn't have the best talent around him in college, so the Senior Bowl and the Combine would've been a perfect opportunity for him to show us what he's made of - he didn't use them. He said in an interview at the combine that this event is a great place to showcase talent, but he didn't throw a single ball. I don't like that.

I'm also a bit concerned with his gunslinger mentality. Don't get me wrong, I like it in a QB, but most successful gunslingers in the NFL have something in common: they have 1 particularly exceptional skill, like armstrength for Favre - or even Cutler, the fantastic escapability of Romo, etc. So far I didn't find that in Ryan. He's pretty good in everything, but not exceptional imho. I'm expecting a tough first few seasons for him, similar to what I've seen from Eli Manning. If his coaches will be patient enough and his team will be strong enough, then he'll be successful, but that's a big if, cause Ryan doesn't have the pedigree (HOF's in the family) he might need to get that patience.)

But back to the point, what do you guys think about these picks?
 
no offense, but its your best mock, you should be putting one player only, and maybe a possible backup player. it seems like a waiste of time for everyone to read a mock that says things like "Any OT out of the top guys available here", "any top TE", "BPA"

anyone could put a mock together knowing our needs. like watch.


1. matt ryan
2a. top cb
2b. top ot
3. top cb
4. top te
5. bpa
6. bpa
7. bpa
 
Well, first of all, I didn't use "BPA" or the word "any" at 5 picks out of 9, and I used the phrase any of them available by the time of the pick, which clearly says: there will only be 1-2 guys available out of the 4-5 I named.

I forgot to say that the names are in order, but I thought that's obvious, and even with that, it won't really matter, let me show you why:

If you actually check the names, you'll notice, that the 5 offensive tackles I listed are probably 1st round guys except Cherilus, if any of them falls to 32, I'll take that guy. It doesn't matter which one out of the 4, they're all perfect choices at 32, and it's highly unlikely that I have to choose, cause most likely only 1 (or none) will be there at 32.

The same applies to the 3 WRs I named, these are mostly late 1st, early 2nd round guys, highly unlikely that I'm going to have to choose between them, not all 3 will be available there.

Finally, it makes a huge difference if you say top OT in round 1, or top OT in round 6, and there's also a huge difference if you say BPA in round one, or in round seven, so even you had to think about the order of your fake mock, even though you have only put one name in it, right?

I'm sorry if I wasted your time...

Now could you comment on the actual subject of the thread?
 
I think you hit all of our needs and nicely ordered them in terms of need. I think after the first 32 picks or so it is really a crap shoot trying to determine who would be the best fit, or have the best career. I think Chris Long is the safest pick. I have read almost all the draft magazines and mocks and C. Long is the overall consensus top pick and the guy most pick as going to Miami.
I think our 2nd pick has to be either a WR, OL, or CB. It is next to impossible trying to figure out who will still be there. I would go with either James Hardy or Cason if they are still there at #32. I like Nicks of Nebraska as our 2B pick, unless Henne or Flacco are still around. On Day 2 (3rd round onward) we should go with BPA.
 
do you know our needs, we need a starting tackle and a staring gaurd.
im not saying this will happen but it should
1-lt-jake long
2-cb-brandon flowers/cason
2-og-chilo rachal
3-mlb-erin henderson
4-de/olb or te
6-qb/mlb josh johnson/ vince hall
7.does it matter, hill just get cut
 
Nappy Roots said:
no offense, but its your best mock, you should be putting one player only, and maybe a possible backup player. it seems like a waiste of time for everyone to read a mock that says things like "Any OT out of the top guys available here", "any top TE", "BPA"

anyone could put a mock together knowing our needs. like watch.


1. matt ryan
2a. top cb
2b. top ot
3. top cb
4. top te
5. bpa
6. bpa
7. bpa
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So with 2 of our first 4 picks you want us to go CB . . . when CB actually is one of the better positions on the team with W. Allen, Lehan and Goodman, plus the guy from Dallas they got (tho I definitely do want to groom ONE young CB)? Then go OT at 2b when most of the BIG names are gone . . . and then select another unproven QB with the first pick, when we already have that on the team?

Nope, Try again.
 
i got da juice said:
do you know our needs, we need a starting tackle and a staring gaurd.
im not saying this will happen but it should
1-lt-jake long
2-cb-brandon flowers/cason
2-og-chilo rachal
3-mlb-erin henderson
4-de/olb or te
6-qb/mlb josh johnson/ vince hall
7.does it matter, hill just get cut
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I have no big problem with your draft, although you didn't address all needs either, so I've no idea why you're surprised that I was unable to do that.

If you read my entire post, you'll see that I'm also very high on Jake Long, so if there was no Chris Long, I'd have a very similar draft to yours.
 
pelthar said:
This is my first mock, I tried to evaluate all the info from the approx 100 games I watched this year, plus the combine and pro day results. (as a matter of fact, this is my first post here too)

If I name more players than one: THE NAMES ARE IN ORDER OF PREFERENCE, in case there are 2-3 guys to choose from.

1. Chris Long (or - if possible - trade down a few places (not much, max 4-5 spots) for an additional 2nd, and grab Gholston and a CB with the additional 2nd) (I chose Chris Long, cause I think him - and Gholston - are much more ahead of the potential 2nd round DE's then Jake Long is ahead of the 2nd round OTs.
2a. Any OT out of the top guys available here (Otah, Baker, Clady, Williams, maybe Cherilus)
2b. Sweed, Kelly or Doucet if any of them is availables here - if not, we should probably look for a CB here
3. Any top TE available here (Bennett, Carlson, Keller, Davis, etc)
4. Frank Okam (FA signings helped, but we still need youth and depth at DT)
6. Jonathan Zenon (I have no idea why isn't he higher on the boards, he should be a first day pick imho)
6b. (probable compensatory pick) Dennis Dixon (I've seen him in several games this year, he's probably the best passer out of the running QBs, very smart, terrific leadership, 2 concerns are size and injury, I'd give him a chance to develop)
7. BPA (hoping for Jamie Silva, unlikely though, most likely is WR or OG imho)
7b. BPA
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I don't have a problem with this draft except I'm not sure of Doucet at 2b (Kelly and Sweed wont be there) . . . I think there will be better at that pick . . . maybe the G from USC or a CB like Cason drops . . . the good thing with your draft is that if we address the 3-4 OLB and the OT with the first 2 picks . . . we can BPA it.
 
Kdawg954 said:
So with 2 of our first 4 picks you want us to go CB . . . when CB actually is one of the better positions on the team with W. Allen, Lehan and Goodman, plus the guy from Dallas they got (tho I definitely do want to groom ONE young CB)? Then go OT at 2b when most of the BIG names are gone . . . and then select another unproven QB with the first pick, when we already have that on the team?

Nope, Try again.
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nope try again. lmao. sorry you couldnt figure out what i was doing. im not saying thats what i want, first of all i hate matt ryan at the first pick. i was just throwin that together to make a point...if you want, i will definitely try again
 
Kdawg954 said:
I don't have a problem with this draft except I'm not sure of Doucet at 2b (Kelly and Sweed wont be there) . . . I think there will be better at that pick . . . maybe the G from USC or a CB like Cason drops . . . the good thing with your draft is that if we address the 3-4 OLB and the OT with the first 2 picks . . . we can BPA it.
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Kelly is climbing up like hell, some mocks already have him in the top 10, so I have to admit that he's definitely out of question. You're probably right about Sweed to, he might be picked late 1st, so no Sweed at 2b either (would be nice, though :)).

The reason why I really like Doucet is that he has the same anklebreaking quickness we've seen from Lorenzo Booker last year, and I think that is exactly what John Beck needs: Ginn stretches the field, while these lightning-quick guys have enough space to get separation on the short-intermediate routes. Wilford and a big young TE could help in the redzone, and suddenly we have a very-very capable offense, if the O-line works alright.

That's a big if though. Actually drafting Rachal would also make sense, but I think it's going to be harder to find a playmaker WR in FA than a starting G, so I chose Doucet.

Cason is also a nice pickup here, but I think that if we have a chance to have the entire offense full of young and talented guys, and let them learn and play together for a year, then I say that's the right way to go. (I don't know what will happen to JT, if he goes for at least a 2nd, then I'd go for Rachal with that.)

Btw, the other late round QB I'd like is Ainge, so overall I'd be ok with your draft, too.
 
Nappy Roots said:
nope try again. lmao. sorry you couldnt figure out what i was doing. im not saying thats what i want, first of all i hate matt ryan at the first pick. i was just throwin that together to make a point...if you want, i will definitely try again
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My fault man :lol: . . . I was like huh.
 
I don't think it's all that bad. Problem is (like most of these mocks) it's assuming we are staying put in our designated picks (and I'm not referring to the #1). I know we can't predict when and what we get out these trades, but I can't imagine we won't trade out of the #1 pick of each round at least twice, if not more, in order to get more picks. I'm sure they will do something to get back into the 5th. I look for them to try and pick up another 3rd or 4th as well. Although being #1 in the first round may be somewhat of a curse (with not being able to trade out), that definately doesn't hold true for the rest of the rounds, so I see us trading down in that round to pick up another pick. Thus, while all these mocks are fun to do and look at, they really aren't going to come into play with what picks we'll end up with. Now, if someone is brave enough to come up with a prediction on any trades (perhaps JT or others) that net us some picks and trades on draft day, I think they may be a lot closer to the truth than all the sports reporter mocks we've seen up until now.
 
Dont expect Sweed or Kelly to be there at pick #57 i would get you hope up for pick #32
 
i got da juice said:
do you know our needs, we need a starting tackle and a staring gaurd.
im not saying this will happen but it should
1-lt-jake long
2-cb-brandon flowers/cason
2-og-chilo rachal
3-mlb-erin henderson
4-de/olb or te
6-qb/mlb josh johnson/ vince hall
7.does it matter, hill just get cut
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That would be an excellent draft
 
i dont want to waste a pick on dennis dixon cuz eh is WAY undersized, short and weight wise he is very small plus his multiple knee injuries, id rather take someone else. i wouldnt mind the QB from San diego st. Kevin O'connell. same size a Flacco ( i think and inch taller) weights about 5 to 10 lbs more but runs ALOT faster and did well in the senior bowl. zenon will go higher the the 6th round too.
i like the chris long and best OT avail with #32 pick alot Probably cherilus will be Best OT available. I dont mind taking WR with the next pick unless a CB, a high talent, falls like flowers or porter. i dont see sweed or doucet falling though (but the could; doucet probably but not sweed).

i wouldnt mind selecting jack ikwengwu (sp*) CB from Wisconson with our 7th (one of them). he is a 2nd round talent that tore in his knee something training for the senior bowl, and is gonna miss the entire 2008 nfl season but has great value with very little risk because it is a 7th rounder
 
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