dlockz
Hall Of Famer
I will address the Ryan issues as someone said the questions have been avoided. There are alot of fallacies that I will dispel as not looking at the total picture and can be blamed on just looking at simple stat lines without looking deeper.
High number of interceptions- he threw 19 interceptions in 654 attempts
that is one interception every 35 attempts, hardly a high percentage of interceptions compared to other good prospects in fact his all time interception percentage is basically the same as Peyton Manning's.
Basically same percentage of interceptions as Jay Cutler and better than
Carson Palmer's and Drew Brees. Marino threw twice as many interceptions per attempt as Ryan. Edwards was higher also. No Qb comes close to Alex Smith 1 int every 72 attempts Colt Brennan 1 in 37 attempts, beck 1 in 41
Poor completion percentage- he completed 59.9 percent of his passes, thats hardly a poor percentage. He has a higher college completion percentage than Jay Cutler 57, slightly lower than eli Manning 60.8, slightly better than Carson Palmer 59.2, slightly less than Drew Brees 60.5, Marino 57.6, Edwards 56.2, Bruce Gradowski 68 percent, Alex Smith 66.3,Charlie Frye 63.6, Colt Brennan 70.4 Beck completed 62.4,
Yards per attempt - 6.91 for his college career Becks 7.8 , carson palmer 7.5,Eli Manning 7.4, Drew Brees 7.2, David carr 8.4, Phil Rivers 7.9, Jay Cutler 7.0, Jamarcus Russel 8.3, Marino 7.1, Kolb 8.3, Edwards 6.3, Troy Smith 8.5
Vince Young 8.4, Reggie Mc neal 8.0, Bruce Gradowski 8.2, Alex Smith 8.9
Aaron rodgers 8.2,Charlie Fry 7.7, Colt Brennan 8.9 Dan Marino 7.1
So yes Its slightly lower than some of the other qb's and almost exactly the same Jay Cutler's but you can see there are some qb's with real high numbers here that have been less than successful. Prob worst indicator of success.
As for dumpoffs to RB
that is a complete fallacy and if you are going to knock Ryan for his number one receiver than you might as well start knocking Beck for the same thing.
Okay lets explore his receivers
#1 RB Andre Callender sr 76 receptions 9.5 a catch, pretty high yards per catch for a runningback
#2 Rich Gunnel So WR 64 receptions 14.5 a catch , mid level recruit not highly ranked nationally three stars by rivals 5.5
#3 Brandon robinson Jr Wr 56 receptions 14.2 a catch , low level recruit
#4 Ryan Purvis TE Jr 54 receptions for 10.2 a catch mid level recruit
#5Kevin Challenger WR sr 45 receptions for 12.2 a catch mid level recruit
# 6 Clarence Megwa WR so 30 receptions for 11.8 a catch mid level rec
# 7 Justin Jarvis Jr WR 19 receptions for 14.5 low level recruit
John Beck
#1 Curtis Brown RB 62 catches for 9.1 avg
# 2 Johhny Harline TE 58 catches for 16 .1 mid level recruit
# 3 Mackay Jacobson WR 28 catched 19.5 mid level recruit
#4 Matt Allen Wr Low level recruit 27 catches 14.6
# 5 Zac Collie WR ranked 69th in country 26 catches 16.8
# 6 Michael Reed Wr mid level recruit 25 catches 13.6
#7Manase Tonga RB low level recuit 23 catches 10.0
Recruiting class rankings
BYU 2002(36) 2003(108) 2004
BC since joining the Acc has not finished higher than 7th and has averaged about 8th in class rankings within conference
BYU since 2002 has averaged 3rd in thier conf in recruiting and finished 1st twice
Ryan is just a higher rated prospect that has all the tools to be a very good quarterback. Beck may have a stronger arm but there is much debate if he has an elite arm(not on this board of course lol) , and is considered very accurate. Yes I think Beck may have a stronger arm and is a little more accurate but Ryan can make all the throws and just seems a better leader plus is about 3 inches taller with a slightly bigger frame. Ryan played in a better conferance with teams that the majority of which had higher rated talent than Boston College, while Beck played in a conferance where his team is always among the top 3 in talent. Ryan had more success versus ranked competition 4-4 versus Becks 1-7. I just feel that every year that Ryan was quarterback for BC the team exceeded expectations(Preseason ranked only once and it was low, was ranked in top 20 all three seasons including being ranked the highest in half a century and finishing 11th overall.)and he was undefeated in bowl games. His playing a great portion of his junior season with a broken foot and the adversity of the Va Tech game in bad conditions
just show me that he is a very tough football player who keeps his head in the games at all times. Alot of Qb's would have lost confidence when they called back the one touchdown with seconds left but he just went ahead and
did what was needed. I dont think Beck is a bad prospect, just that Ryan is a better prospect and would make for a perfect leader of our offense. People may not want to accept it on this board but Ryan is a higher graded prospect than our own Beck by most so called experts thats why Ryan is being considered near the top of the first round and Beck was considered near the top of the second round. Does this mean that Ryan will be a better Qb, of course not, just that most scouts expect him to be.
6-5 225 Some scouting reports from Warroom: http://www.mymockdraft.com/Scouting-Report/Matt-Ryan.aspx
http://warroomreport.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=61&Itemid=1
From MVN scouting report
Note from Celtkin: Mel Kiper's chat was deleted because there was not URL citation. You have to tell us the URL where you got the material !
Now I know I am not going to change one person's mind that is set on Beck with this post, but you cannot deny that this guy coudl be a very good NFL quarterback. If our leadership feels that Beck is a special guy, I have no problem if they decide to go other places with this pick but if the plan is to take a Flacco or somebody in second why not get the best prospect if not draft Colt Brennan later as a project. I dont understand the logic Beck will be a great Qb so we draft a second round Qb, if we feel he will be so good why are we still drafting another Qb so high. I still would rather take the Jimmy Johnson dart approach with Qb and throw darts at two strong targets rather than trying to catch lightning in a bottle with a project later on with a developmental guy like Flacco much too early.
High number of interceptions- he threw 19 interceptions in 654 attempts
that is one interception every 35 attempts, hardly a high percentage of interceptions compared to other good prospects in fact his all time interception percentage is basically the same as Peyton Manning's.
Basically same percentage of interceptions as Jay Cutler and better than
Carson Palmer's and Drew Brees. Marino threw twice as many interceptions per attempt as Ryan. Edwards was higher also. No Qb comes close to Alex Smith 1 int every 72 attempts Colt Brennan 1 in 37 attempts, beck 1 in 41
Poor completion percentage- he completed 59.9 percent of his passes, thats hardly a poor percentage. He has a higher college completion percentage than Jay Cutler 57, slightly lower than eli Manning 60.8, slightly better than Carson Palmer 59.2, slightly less than Drew Brees 60.5, Marino 57.6, Edwards 56.2, Bruce Gradowski 68 percent, Alex Smith 66.3,Charlie Frye 63.6, Colt Brennan 70.4 Beck completed 62.4,
Yards per attempt - 6.91 for his college career Becks 7.8 , carson palmer 7.5,Eli Manning 7.4, Drew Brees 7.2, David carr 8.4, Phil Rivers 7.9, Jay Cutler 7.0, Jamarcus Russel 8.3, Marino 7.1, Kolb 8.3, Edwards 6.3, Troy Smith 8.5
Vince Young 8.4, Reggie Mc neal 8.0, Bruce Gradowski 8.2, Alex Smith 8.9
Aaron rodgers 8.2,Charlie Fry 7.7, Colt Brennan 8.9 Dan Marino 7.1
So yes Its slightly lower than some of the other qb's and almost exactly the same Jay Cutler's but you can see there are some qb's with real high numbers here that have been less than successful. Prob worst indicator of success.
As for dumpoffs to RB
that is a complete fallacy and if you are going to knock Ryan for his number one receiver than you might as well start knocking Beck for the same thing.
Okay lets explore his receivers
#1 RB Andre Callender sr 76 receptions 9.5 a catch, pretty high yards per catch for a runningback
#2 Rich Gunnel So WR 64 receptions 14.5 a catch , mid level recruit not highly ranked nationally three stars by rivals 5.5
#3 Brandon robinson Jr Wr 56 receptions 14.2 a catch , low level recruit
#4 Ryan Purvis TE Jr 54 receptions for 10.2 a catch mid level recruit
#5Kevin Challenger WR sr 45 receptions for 12.2 a catch mid level recruit
# 6 Clarence Megwa WR so 30 receptions for 11.8 a catch mid level rec
# 7 Justin Jarvis Jr WR 19 receptions for 14.5 low level recruit
John Beck
#1 Curtis Brown RB 62 catches for 9.1 avg
# 2 Johhny Harline TE 58 catches for 16 .1 mid level recruit
# 3 Mackay Jacobson WR 28 catched 19.5 mid level recruit
#4 Matt Allen Wr Low level recruit 27 catches 14.6
# 5 Zac Collie WR ranked 69th in country 26 catches 16.8
# 6 Michael Reed Wr mid level recruit 25 catches 13.6
#7Manase Tonga RB low level recuit 23 catches 10.0
Recruiting class rankings
BYU 2002(36) 2003(108) 2004
BC since joining the Acc has not finished higher than 7th and has averaged about 8th in class rankings within conference
BYU since 2002 has averaged 3rd in thier conf in recruiting and finished 1st twice
Ryan is just a higher rated prospect that has all the tools to be a very good quarterback. Beck may have a stronger arm but there is much debate if he has an elite arm(not on this board of course lol) , and is considered very accurate. Yes I think Beck may have a stronger arm and is a little more accurate but Ryan can make all the throws and just seems a better leader plus is about 3 inches taller with a slightly bigger frame. Ryan played in a better conferance with teams that the majority of which had higher rated talent than Boston College, while Beck played in a conferance where his team is always among the top 3 in talent. Ryan had more success versus ranked competition 4-4 versus Becks 1-7. I just feel that every year that Ryan was quarterback for BC the team exceeded expectations(Preseason ranked only once and it was low, was ranked in top 20 all three seasons including being ranked the highest in half a century and finishing 11th overall.)and he was undefeated in bowl games. His playing a great portion of his junior season with a broken foot and the adversity of the Va Tech game in bad conditions
just show me that he is a very tough football player who keeps his head in the games at all times. Alot of Qb's would have lost confidence when they called back the one touchdown with seconds left but he just went ahead and
did what was needed. I dont think Beck is a bad prospect, just that Ryan is a better prospect and would make for a perfect leader of our offense. People may not want to accept it on this board but Ryan is a higher graded prospect than our own Beck by most so called experts thats why Ryan is being considered near the top of the first round and Beck was considered near the top of the second round. Does this mean that Ryan will be a better Qb, of course not, just that most scouts expect him to be.
6-5 225 Some scouting reports from Warroom: http://www.mymockdraft.com/Scouting-Report/Matt-Ryan.aspx
http://warroomreport.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=61&Itemid=1
From MVN scouting report
Note from Celtkin: Mel Kiper's chat was deleted because there was not URL citation. You have to tell us the URL where you got the material !
Now I know I am not going to change one person's mind that is set on Beck with this post, but you cannot deny that this guy coudl be a very good NFL quarterback. If our leadership feels that Beck is a special guy, I have no problem if they decide to go other places with this pick but if the plan is to take a Flacco or somebody in second why not get the best prospect if not draft Colt Brennan later as a project. I dont understand the logic Beck will be a great Qb so we draft a second round Qb, if we feel he will be so good why are we still drafting another Qb so high. I still would rather take the Jimmy Johnson dart approach with Qb and throw darts at two strong targets rather than trying to catch lightning in a bottle with a project later on with a developmental guy like Flacco much too early.
