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My Favorite Part from the Presser

Hayden Fox

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I love how Joe Philbin pointed out that he has been around the "West Coast Offense" for years and still does not know what it is. This offense has evolved in so many different directions in the last few decades. I hear the Omar Kelly's of the world and people in this forum talk about the WCO as if it is some static, one-size fits all system.

Philbin nicely points out that he will fit a system to the talents of the players and attempt to hide their weaknesses.

As Kim Boekamper said in the post press conference that if you "throw one quick slant" you are considered a WCO.
 
I like what he said regarding the defense and whether we will stay in a 3-4 or switch to 4-3.

"I want us to be the best tackling team in the NFL, the best team in pursuit, i want to take the ball away from other teams, i want to rattle the opposing quarterback every opportunity we get."

And regarding the team as a whole, saying we will be aggressive in all three phases of the game, not just offense.
 
To me, The WCO is 2 RB's in split formation, 2 WR's, & TE. It encompasses a short passing game & finesse running game (lotta traps & draws).

In short, the Niners with Walsh & Montana were the prototype.
 
To me, The WCO is 2 RB's in split formation, 2 WR's, & TE. It encompasses a short passing game & finesse running game (lotta traps & draws).

In short, the Niners with Walsh & Montana were the prototype.

To me, it's all about everybody being a weapon in the passing game, but being able to line up and get tough yards.
 
To me, The WCO is 2 RB's in split formation, 2 WR's, & TE. It encompasses a short passing game & finesse running game (lotta traps & draws).

In short, the Niners with Walsh & Montana were the prototype.
True, but I'd add that physical receivers were always a big part of this system. Jerry Rice could take that 5-yarder all the way to the house.
 
I'm not sure what a west coast offense is either, but I'm sure it isn't what i've seen the Dolphins run under Johnson, Wannstedt, Cameron, or Sparaon.

I'm hoping it's different than the three yards and a cloud of dust; punting is OK; run it, run it, run it and punt it; 3 and out offenses we've had since Shula retired.

GO PHINS~!
 
I particularly appreciated when Philbin mentioned Passer Rating Differential, in fact it blew me away. I might have changed my vote pre-hire if I had heard Philbin emphasize that previously.

That's one of the great wiseguy categories, along with YPPA Differential, ones I became aware of and started tinkering with after Dick Vermeil wrote a column on the 10 most significant stats in pro football in the August 1987 issue of the old Inside Sports magazine. I was on a golfing vacation in Whistler, British Columbia at the time but after stumbling upon that issue in the Whistler Village I basically was on walkabout the remainder of the trip, hitting shots out of turn, and toward the wrong fairway without knowing it.

Then a year later when I was asked to be a regular guest analyst on the Stardust Line radio program I was very careful to give the audience the second tier stuff, like Points Per Pass Attempt and Plays Per Touchdown. You wanted to sound sharp but not blow your edge. Michael Roxborough, the chief linesmaker, was co-host of the show at that point. He'd literally write down something and say, "Thanks, Gary, I'll make sure you never make any money on that again."

Passing stats are fantastic when used in conjunction with situational factors, particularly early season before the relevant stats have settled toward reliability. I used to detail some of those trends on this site and elsewhere, like road non-division after Monday Night. Not every week is the same expectation from a scheduling standpoint but the media, for whatever reason, doesn't pick up on those trends. That's easily the biggest different when I'm talking sports in a Las Vegas sportsbook compared to when I'm in Miami or on a website. A guy in Las Vegas will sit down and enthusiastically detail a situational trend but elsewhere it's all Xs and Os.

I despise Roger Goodell because I can't be lazy anymore. The old research stood up to everything until that moron started to alter the game so significantly that the parameters no longer fit, like rushes per game, categories that have been a fantastic buffer to net passing.

Many posters here like ckparrothead understand the importance of yards per pass. No doubt it will be more in focus now that Philbin spotlighted it. In many ways I prefer the base YPPA Differential beyond Passer Rating Differential because interceptions can come in bunches and skew the passer rating stat. Green Bay's number only stood out this year if you included defensive interceptions. Otherwise they were very ordinary, not remotely close to the +2.3 YPPA Differential which led every playoff team last season. Pittsburgh was second, BTW. Sacks are more dependable to transfer to playoffs than interceptions so I have a separate category that uses that category but not interceptions. So far it's spit out a 5-2 vs. the number in the playoffs, losing on Pittsburgh vs. Denver and Saints vs. 49ers. I have a low rating on San Francisco in the top categories so if they win out I'm in trouble. Tomorrow I have Giants plus the points over 49ers and no play on Patriots/Ravens. In the Super Bowl it would be either AFC team vs. 49ers, Giants over Ravens, and no play on Giants/Patriots. Systems are fantastic because there's no subjectivity or second guessing, and other than morons like Roger Goodell they are supposed to last decades minus need for revision.
 
I like what he said regarding the defense and whether we will stay in a 3-4 or switch to 4-3.

"I want us to be the best tackling team in the NFL, the best team in pursuit, i want to take the ball away from other teams, i want to rattle the opposing quarterback every opportunity we get."

And regarding the team as a whole, saying we will be aggressive in all three phases of the game, not just offense.
I really enjoyed that comment and to me it meant that Philbin intends to be involved in all three phases of the team and not just the offense. I think he has better knowledge of all three phases than the other two candidates and that's one of the factors in him winning the job.
 
The west coast offensive is mainly now define in its terminology more than the play calling. It utilizes names as playcalls as oppose to the mainly numbering variation of other systems..
 
All I know is it should not be called the west cost offense instead it should be called the Bill Walsh Offense!
 
I laughed when he said his family was like the Griswold's. Said his wife's sister was coming down later because they were going to have her ride on the toilet but they wouldn't let them! LOL that was hilarious!
 
This thread shows Philbin was correct. Everyone has a different meaning of the WCO. I am glad he talked of fitting a player's strength into a system. That is coaching.
 
I particularly appreciated when Philbin mentioned Passer Rating Differential, in fact it blew me away. I might have changed my vote pre-hire if I had heard Philbin emphasize that previously.

That's one of the great wiseguy categories, along with YPPA Differential, ones I became aware of and started tinkering with after Dick Vermeil wrote a column on the 10 most significant stats in pro football in the August 1987 issue of the old Inside Sports magazine. I was on a golfing vacation in Whistler, British Columbia at the time but after stumbling upon that issue in the Whistler Village I basically was on walkabout the remainder of the trip, hitting shots out of turn, and toward the wrong fairway without knowing it.

Then a year later when I was asked to be a regular guest analyst on the Stardust Line radio program I was very careful to give the audience the second tier stuff, like Points Per Pass Attempt and Plays Per Touchdown. You wanted to sound sharp but not blow your edge. Michael Roxborough, the chief linesmaker, was co-host of the show at that point. He'd literally write down something and say, "Thanks, Gary, I'll make sure you never make any money on that again."

Passing stats are fantastic when used in conjunction with situational factors, particularly early season before the relevant stats have settled toward reliability. I used to detail some of those trends on this site and elsewhere, like road non-division after Monday Night. Not every week is the same expectation from a scheduling standpoint but the media, for whatever reason, doesn't pick up on those trends. That's easily the biggest different when I'm talking sports in a Las Vegas sportsbook compared to when I'm in Miami or on a website. A guy in Las Vegas will sit down and enthusiastically detail a situational trend but elsewhere it's all Xs and Os.

I despise Roger Goodell because I can't be lazy anymore. The old research stood up to everything until that moron started to alter the game so significantly that the parameters no longer fit, like rushes per game, categories that have been a fantastic buffer to net passing.

Many posters here like ckparrothead understand the importance of yards per pass. No doubt it will be more in focus now that Philbin spotlighted it. In many ways I prefer the base YPPA Differential beyond Passer Rating Differential because interceptions can come in bunches and skew the passer rating stat. Green Bay's number only stood out this year if you included defensive interceptions. Otherwise they were very ordinary, not remotely close to the +2.3 YPPA Differential which led every playoff team last season. Pittsburgh was second, BTW. Sacks are more dependable to transfer to playoffs than interceptions so I have a separate category that uses that category but not interceptions. So far it's spit out a 5-2 vs. the number in the playoffs, losing on Pittsburgh vs. Denver and Saints vs. 49ers. I have a low rating on San Francisco in the top categories so if they win out I'm in trouble. Tomorrow I have Giants plus the points over 49ers and no play on Patriots/Ravens. In the Super Bowl it would be either AFC team vs. 49ers, Giants over Ravens, and no play on Giants/Patriots. Systems are fantastic because there's no subjectivity or second guessing, and other than morons like Roger Goodell they are supposed to last decades minus need for revision.

I missed your intelligent posts, It was missed Dooger.

Welcome back

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