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My Predicted Training Camp/Pre-Season Battles, Part III (WR)

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Last time, it was the running backs (To re-read my analysis, click here: http://www.finheaven.com/boardvb2/showthread.php?t=142064&highlight=Battles). Now it's the receivers' turn.

Last year, we had two studs at receivers.

Chris Chambers, finally having a QB that was, at least, a legitimate deep threat, busted loose for a Pro-Bowl earning 1,118 yard season.

Marty Booker, on the other hand, didn't seem that impressive on paper until you realize he pretty much made a living killing opposing opponents with yards after catch, being 2nd in the league in that category.

The problem is, it became apparent we were totally screwed if either one of them goes down. At first, it didn't seem like the case. Bryan Gilmore, a former receiver/special teams ace of ours who now plays for the 49ers, showed he had hands against the Raiders, even snagging a touchdown. Unfortunately, his receiving skills disappeared than food at a buffet when I'm in it (:D ).

So, of course, we needed better receivers for the sake of depth. And receivers we received.

First was the signing of Fred Gibson off of our practice squad. At 6'4", he is a potential big time target. However, he has been criticised by many for seemingly not having a brain for the game and for wanting to take a contact. However, it seems he has developed a brain: Fred Gibson teamed up with our SLB Donnie Spragan to lay down a game plan against the Denver Broncos. And obviously, he made some very good progress in his game, being one of the few regulars on our Practice Squad.

Then came the signing of Kelly Campbell. This was a great signing for his familiarity with Culpepper alone. He's also quite fast, a great kick/punt returner, and knows how to work the slot, just like Wes Welker.

Then draft day: We got the quality depth we wanted in Derek Hagan, arguably the best receiver in Pac-10 history, and Devin Aromashodu, now formerly Auburn's #1 receiver.

After the draft, there were a few additions, like Erick Kimble and Fred Murphy. But it seemed like a done deal that the six receiver spots would be down: Chris Chambers, Marty Booker, Wes Welker, Derek Hagan, and Devin Aromashodu, Kelly Campbell, and Fred Gibson. That was, until the signing of Marcus Vick.

But why would a signing of a quarterback be significant? Does the name Antwaan Randle-El rings a bell?

Locks to make the team: Chris Chambers, Marty Booker

Players that will go into battle: Wes Welker, Fred Gibson, Derek Hagan, Devin Aromashodu

Players that will most likely be cut/Practice Squad: Eric Kimble, Fred Murphy

Wes Welker vs. Kelly Campbell vs. Derek Hagan vs. Devin Aromashodu

My analysis: This battle is going to be fierce. How they do on special teams could definitely affect the tide. And the funny thing about the whole thing is, by the end of this battle, two wide receivers could be sharing the #3 spot: One working the slot, the other creating the mismatches. So in away, it could be Wes Welker vs. Kelly Campbell and Derek Hagan vs. Devin Aromashodu.

My predicted winner: I have none...

Winner(s) get(s): 3rd WR spot

Loser(s) get(s): Battle for the 4th WR spot

Losers of battle number one vs. Fred Gibson vs. Cliff Russel vs. Marcus Vick

My analysis: To quote Fin Heaven member Blueprint-

If Fred Gibson realizes his potential and actually concentrates on the ball, he's going to make the team.

(Link: http://www.finheaven.com/boardvb2/showthread.php?t=117057&highlight=Fred+Gibson)

And he's not that far off. But he has stiff competition. Cliff Russel is speedy as hell, and the losers of the first battle are definitely no slouches. Combine it with Marcus Vick possibly being the next Randle-El, this fight looks grim. But Gibson does have a height advantage. If he has the hands to match, look out!

My projected winner: Again, I have none.

Winner gets: 4th WR spot

Losers get: A battle for the fifth and/or sixth wide receiver spot. And after that, practice squad or free agency.


My overall analysis: If this battle becomes as heated as I think it will be, we some people is going to be waived that not even Saban wants to waive. Oi vey....
 
slight differences on the battles...
Wes and Campbell will be fighting for the slot position whenever chambers isn't there..(at the end of the season he got a lot more time in the slot) These guys will only line up in the slot... I honestly think only one of these 2 will make the team.

Derek hagan will be battling for the back-up WR role to Marty and Chris...Also he will get chances to play with them when chris lines up in the slot with Him and booker on the outside. He's pretty much a lock to make the team...he'd never pass through waivers to the practice squad.

Gibson is tall...but he's not quick..he's a long strider...and he also has a few issues with Injuries and his commitment. I can definatly see him getting bumped down to the P-squad again. BUT he'd have to clear waivers...

Aromashadu is a very interesting prospect due to his Size, speed combo...Sub 4.4 40 time and 6'2"... But he needs to add some bulk as he's very skinney, and needs some direction. His knock is that he only worked hard enough to get by... He wasn't a problem guy...he just needs some one to push him to the next level. He might not make the roster this year. I base this on the fact that saban will probably want a vetran as the 5th receiver... I could see him passing through waivers... Let me admit that i really like him and, i want him on the field. My only problem is that saban will want a vetran guy to be able to back-up the outside. Hagan is a lock and Kelly/Welker are not ideal. If booker and chambers get hurt that means 2 rookies and a red-shirt rookie will get the start....

I feel that frank murphy and kimble are just practice squad targets....


As for gilmore...He injured his shoulder in the Buffalo game and it really affected his ability to catch the ball... But even healthy i would not have kept him on the team...
 
Very nice conversation.

The Dolphins usually carry five WR's - and right now they dont have five quality WR's on the roster. That means some untested/unknown player should make the roster. Heres my breakdown:

1) Chris Chambers
2) Marty Booker
3) Derek Hagen (3rd rounder)

4) Wes Welker
5) Devin Aromashodu (7th rounder)
6) Marcus Vick
7) Kelly Cambpell (out of the League last year)
8) Fred Gibson (claimed off Waivers last year)

IMO The top three guys are locks - that leaves two additional spots for the the bottom five guys.

I believe that Kelly Cambpell and Aromashodu will be vying for one spot - that of the burner that can make plays in the vertical passing game. I give the advantage to Aromashodu due to his size advantage and upside. Cambpell will get a look due to his previous relationship with Culpepper, but I think its a battle he will ultimately lose.

The final spot come will down to a battle between Welker and Vick as an underneath slot receiver. Wes Welker is a Wannstadt guy and I wouldnt be surprised if he was jettissoned by Saban for a faster return man. To his advantage, Welker is a very underrated receiver and a reliable special teams player. So Vick will have his work cut for him. But Vick is bigger and a much better athlete, having posted a blazing 20 yard shuttle (4.08) and a 36 inch vertical at the combine. And Nick Saban loves athletes. One more point in Vicks favor is that Mike Mularkey loves trick plays (think Randel El, Kordell Stewart, etc), giving Vick an edge in the gadget category. IMO Vick has a chance to stick.

Finally, I believe that guys like Gibson will once again fall through the cracks, because hes apparantly not a hard worker and will not offer the special teams impact that some of the other players can provide.
 
Another thing to remeber is that Welker and Campbell won't be the only guys competing for punt return duties...There is also Shirdonaya mitchell who was a very electrifying return man in college...also Vick could be inserted into this mix also...

BUT if Mitchell gets the nod then BOTH welker and campbells spots are less certain...


Also Saban Likes welker...he speaks highly of him all the time and loves his versatility...It's tough to find a guy who's a WR,PR,KR,K,ST's, and possible CB (saban said it not me!) Not to mention Welker was ST's captain last year...
 
IMO we will carry 6 WR's because 1 if not 2 will be used for KR's and PR's.
I agree with a previous message that the top 3 here are locks.
1) Chris Chambers
2) Marty Booker
3) Derek Hagen (3rd rounder)

After that we need some legit guys that can step in day 1 and contribute. Devin and Vick are PS guys at best. No way can they be expected to do anything this year. That would be a shocker if they made the 53 man roster. Wes is close to a lock because of versatility BUT i do think Campbell will be the #3 guy because of his speed. He can also handle KR's. Remember 2 years ago he put up some pretty good #'s with Culpepper. Yo YO and Gibson will battle for a spot. I do hope Gibson finally works hadr because he has alot of talent.

I also think we need another proven vet WR if one gets cut. It would be nice to have a starter quality guy as our #3 WR. We don't have one today. Potential yes but nobody that can step in for a Chambers or Booker if need be.
 
I personally am just happy that we have guys battling that don't belong on Practice squads. Camp battles show that we have good depth...and thats what winning teams are made of... like saban said the Bottom 50% of your roster determines how many games you win.
 
hdjetta6316 said:
Another thing to remeber is that Welker and Campbell won't be the only guys competing for punt return duties...There is also Shirdonaya mitchell who was a very electrifying return man in college...also Vick could be inserted into this mix also...

Plus Campbell doesn't do punt returns - only kickoffs (at least with Minnesota and Georgia Tech).
 
Great analysis Silver. I, too, am extremely excited about ALL the camp competitions. Baggett has plenty of work to do though. Besides CC, Marty and Wes these guys are all rookies, out of football (Campbell) or projects. We shall see.
 
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