GoonBoss
Finheaven Templar
I had origonally posted this as a response to another thread, but, removed and re-****ed it to be a stand alone, becasue I was interested in other people's takes on this issue.
This is my compare/contrast (not a pure one, but, this is as close as I get) on the "temper" flares in practice, and, why it is acceptable with Roth, but, not AJ
Caveat: I don't give two craps which garbage QB on our roster comes out ahead. They all leave MUCH to be desired, so, I'm NOT trying to bang on AJ. AJ guys, cool your freakin engines.
Feely: He is a quarterback. He is supposed to be a leader. He's supposed to lead in the huddle and, on the sideline. He is supposed to keep his head screwed on straight. The reason for this is that if he falls apart, the whole offense falls apart.
Can he get upset at people? Sure. That's accepted.
Can he yell at people? Sure. That's his role as the field leader.
Can he throw a tantrum and, sling balls at people as hard as he can at 10 feet away? No. Why? Becasue it undermines not only his practice time, but, the other offensive personnel present as well. It undermines the confidence his people have in him, becasue he is demonstrating that he can and will become completely irrational and give up on people and, plays. He is demonstrating this not only to the people on the field, but, the media, coaches, and, other players.
Real life example. As an NCO in the Army, I would make on the spot corrections to my soldiers. I would embarass them for stupid mistakes, such as being late to formation, etc, by calling them out in front of thier peers.
REAL bad screwups, though, the discipline took place behind closed doors. Depending on the infraction, the troop came out with anything from extreme muscle soreness (Pushups and flutter kicks until I was tired of watching him) or an Article 15 (Formal punishment). As a leader, it was incumbant upon me to not only lead, but, to set an example for my soldiers. In keeping my cool, my soldiers would now think after they screwed up or performed badly: "Aw he**, SSG Goon is going to have my rear for breakfast." But they also knew I would not embarass them in front of where other units, or thier peers would see.
Feely is a leauge veteran, but, one that still has alot to prove. He's not in the moral position to scream at people and expect that they would respond to him in the same way, as, say, Brett Farve, or Donovan McNabb, etc. I remember Marino screaming at people, but, he'd be just as quick to show it when it was his fault, too, and, he wouldn't tank plays becasue of it. He needs to show better judgment. It's expected from one who SHOULD be a veteran leader. David Carr has less time in the NFL, and, his teammates, I dare say, respect him more than the Dolphins do AJ. (Just a guess. Maintain your calm.)
Roth: Roth is a lineman. D line, O line, doesn't matter IMO. You are expected to make people hurt for a living. It is a hard life, and, it takes hard willed, and, hard bodied men to do it. There is a warrior ethic bred into linemen (at least when I played) that you have to be nastier than the next guy. That has spillover somtimes.
Roth has gotten to this level by being tougher, nastier, and, harder than the next guy, not on sheer size and talent. His propensity to be confrontational is an offshoot of this. There is NO doubt that must be brought under control. It MUST. However, that's what training camp is for. I have no doubt that Roth will cost us some penalty yards. He won't be the first.
Roth is also a rookie. Rookies make rookie mistakes. These are rookie mistakes. I recall Todd Wade starting a few fights in his rookie year, and, he turned out ok. Sure wish we had him now!
Conclusion: The difference here is in the channeling of agression. At THIS point, Roths is channeled correctly, Feely's is not. The underlying thing that disturbs most people, I think, is that Feely should know better.
This is my compare/contrast (not a pure one, but, this is as close as I get) on the "temper" flares in practice, and, why it is acceptable with Roth, but, not AJ
Caveat: I don't give two craps which garbage QB on our roster comes out ahead. They all leave MUCH to be desired, so, I'm NOT trying to bang on AJ. AJ guys, cool your freakin engines.
Feely: He is a quarterback. He is supposed to be a leader. He's supposed to lead in the huddle and, on the sideline. He is supposed to keep his head screwed on straight. The reason for this is that if he falls apart, the whole offense falls apart.
Can he get upset at people? Sure. That's accepted.
Can he yell at people? Sure. That's his role as the field leader.
Can he throw a tantrum and, sling balls at people as hard as he can at 10 feet away? No. Why? Becasue it undermines not only his practice time, but, the other offensive personnel present as well. It undermines the confidence his people have in him, becasue he is demonstrating that he can and will become completely irrational and give up on people and, plays. He is demonstrating this not only to the people on the field, but, the media, coaches, and, other players.
Real life example. As an NCO in the Army, I would make on the spot corrections to my soldiers. I would embarass them for stupid mistakes, such as being late to formation, etc, by calling them out in front of thier peers.
REAL bad screwups, though, the discipline took place behind closed doors. Depending on the infraction, the troop came out with anything from extreme muscle soreness (Pushups and flutter kicks until I was tired of watching him) or an Article 15 (Formal punishment). As a leader, it was incumbant upon me to not only lead, but, to set an example for my soldiers. In keeping my cool, my soldiers would now think after they screwed up or performed badly: "Aw he**, SSG Goon is going to have my rear for breakfast." But they also knew I would not embarass them in front of where other units, or thier peers would see.
Feely is a leauge veteran, but, one that still has alot to prove. He's not in the moral position to scream at people and expect that they would respond to him in the same way, as, say, Brett Farve, or Donovan McNabb, etc. I remember Marino screaming at people, but, he'd be just as quick to show it when it was his fault, too, and, he wouldn't tank plays becasue of it. He needs to show better judgment. It's expected from one who SHOULD be a veteran leader. David Carr has less time in the NFL, and, his teammates, I dare say, respect him more than the Dolphins do AJ. (Just a guess. Maintain your calm.)
Roth: Roth is a lineman. D line, O line, doesn't matter IMO. You are expected to make people hurt for a living. It is a hard life, and, it takes hard willed, and, hard bodied men to do it. There is a warrior ethic bred into linemen (at least when I played) that you have to be nastier than the next guy. That has spillover somtimes.
Roth has gotten to this level by being tougher, nastier, and, harder than the next guy, not on sheer size and talent. His propensity to be confrontational is an offshoot of this. There is NO doubt that must be brought under control. It MUST. However, that's what training camp is for. I have no doubt that Roth will cost us some penalty yards. He won't be the first.
Roth is also a rookie. Rookies make rookie mistakes. These are rookie mistakes. I recall Todd Wade starting a few fights in his rookie year, and, he turned out ok. Sure wish we had him now!
Conclusion: The difference here is in the channeling of agression. At THIS point, Roths is channeled correctly, Feely's is not. The underlying thing that disturbs most people, I think, is that Feely should know better.
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