My Theory on Lemon, Printers, and Vince Young.

[17-0]

In last years draft Saban fooled everybody into thinking that he wasn't taking Ronnie. I think he is at it again this year. I believe that he is looking at guys like Lemon and Printers to make it seem like he is interested in V. Young. Now Linehan had Culpeper(spelling on both), and Saban had the same type of QB at LSU so they could actually be interested in this style QB. IMO V. Young is to much of a project, but I'm no draft guru so that is just my opinion. Now by showing interest in Young this could drive his stock up. Look at the other NFL teams looking at Printers after us. I believe Cutler is the QB Saban and company are actually interested in. His stock has gone up this year, and if has a good showing at the combine that could move him out of our reach. There are a lot of bad teams in the NFL this year that will probably pick ahead of us(with us winning now), and many of those teams could use a QB also. If we finish 9-7 then we should draft somewhere around 15-22. With the lack of QB talent entering the draft that might be to low to get Cutler. If all the attention could stay on Leinart and Young that will give us a better shot at Cutler.

 

[scenaria]

how could saban even know which QB he wants right now? seriously.. he's probably interested in all of them.(it would be foolish of him to not take a look at all prospects) He's way to busy coaching a team right now to play this kind of game. Im sure its all at face value.. he'll evaluate he talent when the time is right. even last year when we all thought he was playing a *chess match* it just turned out to be straight up who he thought was the BPA. Im betting he would have taken A. Smith had be been available at #2.

 

[Alex44]

how could saban even know which QB he wants right now? seriously.. he's probably interested in all of them.(it would be foolish of him to not take a look at all prospects) He's way to busy coaching a team right now to play this kind of game. Im sure its all at face value.. he'll evaluate he talent when the time is right. even last year when we all thought he was playing a *chess match* it just turned out to be straight up who he thought was the BPA. Im betting he would have taken A. Smith had be been available at #2.

Couldnt agree more

If saban is playing chess with teams at this point in the season he isnt the coach I thought he would be, its to early for that

Im glad alex smith didnt drop to #2 although who knows what he could do with saban as a coach

 

[PhinFan0202]

how could saban even know which QB he wants right now? seriously.. he's probably interested in all of them.(it would be foolish of him to not take a look at all prospects) He's way to busy coaching a team right now to play this kind of game. Im sure its all at face value.. he'll evaluate he talent when the time is right. even last year when we all thought he was playing a *chess match* it just turned out to be straight up who he thought was the BPA. Im betting he would have taken A. Smith had be been available at #2.

Yeah that.

 

[adamprez2003]

Since Cutler plays in the SEC, I would assume Saban knows him better then any other QB. Whether we draft him or not I will be fine with the decision based on Saban's assumed knowledge about the guy. Having said that I pray to God Saban doesn't think that the type of Quarterbacking he got at LSU will garner any success in the pros. If there is one question mark out there regarding Saban's ability to analyze talent its the QB position. Due to the fact that that position is either going to make or break his career, let's hope he brings in a winner

 

[PHINSfan]

Remember that our GM likes to bring in several qb's to trainning camp and have them compete. He did that in New Orleans with good results. That's what I think is going on. But you are right, they seem to be focused on one type of Qb. A young, mobil, strong arm type. If this is more than a tactic like you believe, then they may be also interested in Jacobs, as well as Cutler . He fits that type.

 

[Freeki_phin]

:yeahthat:

Since Cutler plays in the SEC, I would assume Saban knows him better then any other QB. Whether we draft him or not I will be fine with the decision based on Saban's assumed knowledge about the guy. Having said that I pray to God Saban doesn't think that the type of Quarterbacking he got at LSU will garner any success in the pros. If there is one question mark out there regarding Saban's ability to analyze talent its the QB position. Due to the fact that that position is either going to make or break his career, let's hope he brings in a winner

 

[fishypete]

Since Cutler plays in the SEC, I would assume Saban knows him better then any other QB. Whether we draft him or not I will be fine with the decision based on Saban's assumed knowledge about the guy. Having said that I pray to God Saban doesn't think that the type of Quarterbacking he got at LSU will garner any success in the pros. If there is one question mark out there regarding Saban's ability to analyze talent its the QB position. Due to the fact that that position is either going to make or break his career, let's hope he brings in a winner

I doubt Saban will select the quarterback...he'll have some input...but my guess is he'll leave the decisions to those that have more knowledge on what player the Dolphins actually want and need.

 

[Waterboy]

Well my theory on qb's is this you get a good o-line & good recievers with a running game and it will not matter what qb you plug in there. Look (please don't kill me for this) Bob Griese. All you have to do is get a good leading qb. Not the most talented but one that can take charge in the huddle. Sometimes qb's with too much talent get themselves into trouble. They try to do too much. Give me a qb with heart, love for the game & stong leadership skills and he will give you the wins. Now saying that the qb does need to have some arm strength, not great but enough to throw the deep out (unlike Feidler). I think we had that in Griese Jr. but That team didn't have a respectible o-line. Now it is always nice to have a Manning in your backfield but it is not going to happen. Leinart does fit this mold for me and I would like us to try to get him on draft day but if we don't it will not signal the end the world. I beleive our o-line issues are passed us. We seem to be getting better play from that group each game. That tells me we can do well with whomever we get.

In closing, If we don't get the top qb's on the board in this years draft it will be ok because we may find a qb in the later rounds. So if we use our 1st 3 picks on a postion other then qb it will be ok.

 

[feelthepain]

I don't know about you guy's but this is a hell of a lot more exciting then anything I ever saw from DW!! We are lucky to be Dolfans.

 

[Shouright]

I think our interest in guys like Lemon and Printers is the result of the tireless, behind-the-scenes work of Randy Mueller, who has a very good track record for finding diamond-in-the-rough QBs. I think this is a big part of why Saban tried so hard to hire Mueller.

 

[17-0]

how could saban even know which QB he wants right now? seriously.. he's probably interested in all of them.(it would be foolish of him to not take a look at all prospects) He's way to busy coaching a team right now to play this kind of game. Im sure its all at face value.. he'll evaluate he talent when the time is right. even last year when we all thought he was playing a *chess match* it just turned out to be straight up who he thought was the BPA. Im betting he would have taken A. Smith had be been available at #2.

I would expect Wanny to be completely consumed by the task in front of him. Saban on the other hand seems like he can walk and chew gum at the same time. Drafting looks to be his strong suit. Mueller was brought in to advise Saban and examine potential talent.

 

[Tigers2003]

Yeah any one of us is getting ahead of ourselves and thinking too hard to think Saban and Mueller are playing chess games this early.

I am not so sure of the Culpepper thing. And, IMHO Cutler is probably not the target for the draft. But, wilder things have happened...

Mueller can find diamonds in the rough. The man drafted Bulger who eventually paid off dividends for the Rams and Aaron Brooks. In the case of Brooks he fell off the wagon due to personality deficiencies and awful coaching (not to mention playing for the Saints) which had nothing to do wiht Mueller directly. But Mueller was able to see the potential.

All in favor of looking at Printers and getting Lemon. All long term options at QB needs to be explored by this regime.

 

[Todd347347]

I completely disagree, he is doing this so he can bring in as much talent as possible and have as many options as possible. He doesn't care what other people think he is doing or not.

 

[DolfanCole]

In last years draft Saban fooled everybody into thinking that he wasn't taking Ronnie. I think he is at it again this year. I believe that he is looking at guys like Lemon and Printers to make it seem like he is interested in V. Young. Now Linehan had Culpeper(spelling on both), and Saban had the same type of QB at LSU so they could actually be interested in this style QB. IMO V. Young is to much of a project, but I'm no draft guru so that is just my opinion. Now by showing interest in Young this could drive his stock up. Look at the other NFL teams looking at Printers after us. I believe Cutler is the QB Saban and company are actually interested in. His stock has gone up this year, and if has a good showing at the combine that could move him out of our reach. There are a lot of bad teams in the NFL this year that will probably pick ahead of us(with us winning now), and many of those teams could use a QB also. If we finish 9-7 then we should draft somewhere around 15-22. With the lack of QB talent entering the draft that might be to low to get Cutler. If all the attention could stay on Leinart and Young that will give us a better shot at Cutler.

I would tend to disagree with your theory, mostly based on some of the points that you bring out. As you say, many teams above us will be looking at QBs. I would agree with that. I've also seen many people rank Cutler as the 3rd or 4th QB taken (depending on what Quinn decides). So, if a lot of teams are looking at QB and Cutler could be the third one off the board, I don't see us getting him.

Also, I don't see us having a chance at Young anyway, particularly if we're picking in the 15-22 range. So, it doesn't matter how much we hype him up.