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My unbiased and unemotional review of our draft

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I will go through this pick by pick and then give my final grade. I will base my grade on value, who was left and how needs were filled.

Round 1- Ted Ginn WR
If I had not watched the draft, I would say Ted Ginn was a top 10 worthy pick based on potential but Wr was not our biggest need and Brady Quinn would have been a perfect pick to solve our Qb situation. I don't think Ginn is a huge reach but he is a risky pick based on his receiving and coming off an injury.
If Quinn was gone and both tackles were gone, I would have been much happier with this pick. my pick would have been Quinn

Round 2- JOhn Beck Qb.
Do you really think the Dolphins would admit that Beck was not thier choice no matter what. What team ever says he is aour second choice lol. I don't think Beck is an amazing pick and definately struggles with accuracy on the long ball. Big deal there is a video of a 70 yard pass, Vick can do the same thing and is not a great Qb either. I think Beck will be ok, would have preferred waiting and drafting Edwards. Beck is a solid guy with alot of good intangibles, don't like his age and does not have an elite arm or size.
Would have taken Sidney Rice here.

Samson satele C.
A guy with a good amount of potential, I'm not a big fan of him at center because he struggled with Qb in normal formation quite a bit. I don't think he is our C of future, I think we will use him at guard. Not a great run blocker but should get better with coaching and is very aggressive.
I would have taken Ryan Harris first round talent just been injured. I am basing this not knowing where he will end up.

Not thrilled with drafting either guy in round 2 but if they wanted Beck he was not going to be there in round 3.

Round 3
Lorenzo Booker RB
I was fairly pissed with this pick, not because Booker is not a third rounder because we had bigger needs once again. Booker will be a very good back and could be a very good returner but I thought thats why they drafted Ginn. Solid guy to bring off the bench Would have loved harris but he was taken just before us. Would have taken Demarcus Tyler DT. Want oline but he was a possible first round talent.

Solid pick unfortunately we had far too many needs to get a RB here. This is much like drafts of old.

Round 4
paul Solai DT
Got a lot of press at senior bowl and was supposedly unstoppable in practice.
Cannot totally fault this pick in this round but liked Beekman and Free since our oline is not very good. Kind of a luxury pick but if the other tackles cannot play NT probably was a good idea to help move Traylor out to pasture. Seems to be a perfect NT for 3-4 defense. Would have taken Beekman, think he has more potential to be good than Satale.

Round 5
Somehow we got let harrington earn enough playing time to give away our 5th. Not very bright or successful. Should have played Lemon more.

Round 6
Reagan Manuia FB or something big
Have no clue why we though this guy was so much better than any player they could have drafted at this point. I think they took his name out of a hat. Huge guy major project, this pick disgusted me because I was like ok, there are actually good fullbacks out there and Te's and we draft a guy that people were not even sure he was the right guy lol. Guy could be a player who the heck knows he has weighed up to 350, would much rather have taken Snelling if we need a fullback. My pick would have been Ben Patrick TE.

Drew Morimino G-C
hard to argue much with a sixth round pick of a fairly versatile lineman. Heard his lateral movement is pretty iffy.Not sold on him being the tremendous pick that some have made him on this board. personally think the T out of UAB will be a better player that we just signed. In Fact would have taken him here
Julian Wilson T.

Round 7
Kelvin Smith LB productive college player, might be slowest LB in draft though. My pick would have been Everett from Fla.

Brandon Fields P
Probably best punter left no arguement we need a punter and he may have been our best draft pick. Has very good leg and can kickoff sometimes outkicks coverage. would have taken Deshawn WYnn RB
Char issues but he is a 7th round pick so if he did not work out oh well.

Abraham Wright DE?LB
will probably be a linebacker kind of small for De and not real fast but a depth pick possibly. Would have taken Ramzee Robinson CB


Overall I give the fins a C- Did not get any real major value at any pick but probably got some servicable players. Also loved we did not trade any pick for Trent Green. Two disturbing things I heard during press conferance by Mueller and Cam. One to talk about return ability of your first round pick more than anything else, hopefully he can play receiver, and Mueller not knowing the correct age of the Qb he supposedly knew everything about, makes you really think about his scouting lol. Also people want to act like it was so bad to boo Cameron, these guys are fans and should be honest about how they feel. we as fans know that the draft has destroyed our once great franchise over the years, so until they prove the fans wrong get used to it.
 
It looks like you were looking for "Name Value" players. Maybe you watched too much Mel Kiper. I think we got some very good "football" players. Cam basically drafted the nucleus of our new offensive identity. He obviously got the right players for his system, and his football team.
 
It looks like you were looking for "Name Value" players. Maybe you watched too much Mel Kiper. I think we got some very good "football" players. Cam basically drafted the nucleus of our new offensive identity. He obviously got the right players for his system, and his football team.

Perfect retort. I heard that Mueller was targeting Beck and was actually trying to slip into the end of the 1st rd to get him.
The more I read about the guy the more impressed I am with the pick. He has the potential to be one of those guys like Montana or Brady who becomes a star and everyone asks why they weren't on the radar on draft day.
 
It looks like you were looking for "Name Value" players. Maybe you watched too much Mel Kiper. I think we got some very good "football" players. Cam basically drafted the nucleus of our new offensive identity. He obviously got the right players for his system, and his football team.


I was looking for the best players I thought were left. Mel Kiper does make a living doing what he is doing which is much more than any us gurus on this board can claim. Mel Kiper had nothing to do with the player's I wanted. There is no obvious for the players because none have ever played.Just my opinion on the draft and most of the players i mentioned were no all household names,
 
Perfect retort. I heard that Mueller was targeting Beck and was actually trying to slip into the end of the 1st rd to get him.
The more I read about the guy the more impressed I am with the pick. He has the potential to be one of those guys like Montana or Brady who becomes a star and everyone asks why they weren't on the radar on draft day.


The same retort we hear every year. Not saying I'm right and thier wrong just disagree with thier picks. Some guys every year no matter who we pick say the same thing. So glad we failed to move up because we would have had one less draft pick. Yes I have concerns with a C that has problems snapping the ball directly to the QB. He gets pushed around.

Every year people that get paid to make these decisions blow it, so its very possible we did , or maybe we hit a home run. I personally think Beck has less than ideal height and less than ideal touch on his deep ball. I mean sure great if they put the old Wac back together we have one of the better teams with some of the better players from BYU, Hawaii and Utah. Also alot of guys not on the radar go on to do nothing. We all shall see.
 
Mel Kiper does make a living doing what he is doing which is much more than any us gurus on this board can claim.

As do Randy and Cam, and I trust them more than you. Seemed kinda negative to me, was surprised you didnt give them a D or F after all you wrote. Not one really good thing said. I understand its just your opinion, but really think the title of your thread is rather inaccurate
 
I will go through this pick by pick and then give my final grade. I will base my grade on value, who was left and how needs were filled.

Round 1- Ted Ginn WR
If I had not watched the draft, I would say Ted Ginn was a top 10 worthy pick based on potential but Wr was not our biggest need and Brady Quinn would have been a perfect pick to solve our Qb situation. I don't think Ginn is a reach but he is a risky pick based on his receiving and coming off an injury.
If Quinn was gone and both tackles were gone, I would have been much happier with this pick. my pick would have been Quinn

Round 2- JOhn Beck Qb.
Do you really think the Dolphins would admit that Beck was not thier choice no matter what. What team ever says he is aour second choice lol. I don't think Beck is an amazing pick and definately struggles with accuracy on the long ball. Big deal there is a video of a 70 yard pass, Vick can do the same thing and is not a great Qb either. I think Beck will be ok, would have preferred waiting and drafting Edwards. Beck is a solid guy with alot of good intangibles, don't like his age and does not have an elite arm or size.
Would have taken Sidney Rice here.

Samson satele C.
A guy with a good amount of potential, I'm not a big fan of him at center because he struggled with Qb in normal formation quite a bit. I don't think he is our Qb of future, I think we will use him at guard. Not a great run blocker but should get better with coaching and is very aggressive.
I would have taken Trent Edwards here. I am basing this not knowing where he will end up.

Not thrilled with drafting either guy in round 2 but if they wanted Beck he was not going to be there in round 3.

Round 3
Lorenzo Booker RB
I was fairly pissed with this pick, not because Booker is not a third rounder because we had bigger needs once again. Booker will be a very good back and could be a very good returner but I thought thats why they drafted Ginn. Solid guy to bring off the bench Would have loved harris but he was taken just before us. Would have taken Demarcus Tyler DT. Want oline but he was a possible first round talent.

Solid pick unfortunately we had far too many needs to get a RB here. This is much like drafts of old.

Round 4
paul Solai DT
Got a lot of press at senior bowl and was supposedly unstoppable in practice.
Cannot totally fault this pick in this round but liked Beekman and Free since our oline is not very good. Kind of a luxury pick but if the other tackles cannot play NT probably was a good idea to help move Traylor out to pasture. Seems to be a perfect NT for 3-4 defense. Would have taken Beekman, think he has more potential to be good than Satale.

Round 5
Somehow we got let harrington earn enough playing time to give away our 5th. Not very bright or successful. Should have played Lemon more.

Round 6
Reagan Manuia FB or something big
Have no clue why we though this guy was so much better than any player they could have drafted at this point. I think they took his name out of a hat. Huge guy major project, this pick disgusted me because I was like ok, there are actually good fullbacks out there and Te's and we draft a guy that people were not even sure he was the right guy lol. Guy could be a player who the heck knows he has weighed up to 350, would much rather have taken Snelling if we need a fullback. My pick would have been Ben Patrick TE.

Drew Morimino G-C
hard to argue much with a sixth round pick of a fairly versatile lineman. Heard his lateral movement is pretty iffy.Not sold on him being the tremendous pick that some have made him on this board. personally think the T out of UAB will be a better player that we just signed. In Fact would have taken him here
Julian Wilson T.

Round 7
Kelvin Smith LB productive college player, might be slowest LB in draft though. My pick would have been Everett from Fla.

Brandon Fields P
Probably best punter left no arguement we need a punter and he may have been our best draft pick. Has very good leg and can kickoff sometimes outkicks coverage. would have taken Deshawn WYnn RB
Char issues but he is a 7th round pick so if he did not work out oh well.

Abraham Wright DE?LB
will probably be a linebacker kind of small for De and not real fast but a depth pick possibly. Would have taken Ramzee Robinson CB


Overall I give the fins a C- Did not get any real major value at any pick but probably got some servicable players. Also loved we did not trade any pick for Trent Green. Two disturbing things I heard during press conferance by Mueller and Cam. One to talk about return ability of your first round pick more than anything else, hopefully he can play receiver, and Mueller not knowing the correct age of the Qb he supposedly knew everything about, makes you really think about his scouting lol. Also people want to act like it was so bad to boo Cameron, these guys are fans and should be honest about how they feel. we as fans know that the draft has destroyed our once great franchise over the years, so until they prove the fans wrong get used to it.

Boy oh boy. What a boatload of positivity you have there. I could almost smell the sunshine and rainbows.

Well you and everyone need to get this: The draft is over. The players we got are the players we've got. Lets hope the ones you don't like (seems like all) get better!

Personally I think Beck will be a fantastic QB.
 
Beck is the QB I wanted all along. I crossed my fingers, Toes, and even my eyes, then sent up a prayer as the commisioner started to read our pick that it WASN'T going to be Brady Quinn. I resigned myself to the fact that it would be, but, prayed for a miracle and got it. Brady Quinn is average at best and will be the Browns next Tim Couch. I saw many of Quinn's game and while getting ready for the draft I watched each of the QB's tape that was available online and I had Beck slightly ahead of Trent Edwards and then Quinn. We now have TWO play makers that can score from anywhere, and I mean, ANYWHERE on the field in Ginn and Booker. You will NEVER see either of these two get caught from behind once they are in the clear. My Biggest hope is that WHEN Ginn returns his first Punt or KO return for a TD, he points to his foot and then brushes it off as if to say "Nope, nothing wrong with the foot". Love the center from Hawaii, who I heard today on NFL live that many say is not very far below Ryan Kalil. I agree, the nucleas of this offense has is now in place.
 
As do Randy and Cam, and I trust them more than you. Seemed kinda negative to me, was surprised you didnt give them a D or F after all you wrote. Not one really good thing said. I understand its just your opinion, but really think the title of your thread is rather inaccurate


It's not a matter of trust, its my opinion. Every year I hear the same comment from people that don't agree with someones view of the draft.
When Wanny was coach and Speilman was GM we heard I'm sure they know what they are doing. Maybe they do and maybe they don't its all a calculated risk when drafting. What was good in my grade was I said that Ginn was not a reach and if Quinn was gone would have been onboard but he wasn't and I don't agree with the choice. I am nor enamoured with Beck and I am not alone because other teams chose not to draft him before us, the same thing that has been said with Quinn. That does not make me right, but he has less than ideal size and less than ideal touch on his deep ball. Watch the games and film and tell me differant. Satale gets pushed around watch the film Satale struggled with direct snaps, read the reports. Booker great player just think there were more need olinemen still ob board. Solai might be a great fit I agree. lets not even get on the FB from Hawaii since nobody had him on any radar except us. Please fill me in on all the info you have on him.
Morimo seems slow with little lateral; movement, one reason he went in sixth.
Kelvin Smith is probably slowest LB at combine, but played good in games though. Got a fairly good punter , could not draft the others went too high.
Just basically recalling the points of my initial post but do you have any arguement with my points. As for Ginn I like the pick but love how its ok that he will not be in minicamps but trash others for the same reason.

My main point how is my thread title inaccurate, it is my unbiased and non emotianal review, just mine. i don't have an axe to grind with Mueller or Cam but both have been fired from jobs before so its not like they are just so damn good they cannot make mistakes.
 
Two comments

1. Trent Edwards would have been a huge risk for us. He did nothing in college because he could not stay healthy. He was injured TEN times in 4 years. Trent Edwards was drafted base on his peformance in high school. Sorry, we could not afford to do that.

2. Why is it that everyone talks about drafting BPA before the draft and cries about not picking based on need after the draft?
 
Two comments

1. Trent Edwards would have been a huge risk for us. He did nothing in college because he could not stay healthy. He was injured TEN times in 4 years. Trent Edwards was drafted base on his peformance in high school. Sorry, we could not afford to do that.

2. Why is it that everyone talks about drafting BPA before the draft and cries about not picking based on need after the draft?


I believe in best player available on a sliding scale. I think Quinn was BPA when we picked and dont agree that Beck was. Beck is just as much a risk in so many ways but I agree Edwards had injury concerns. The fact is we liked Beck quite a bit we may never know if we liked him more than Quinn or Kolb because Gm's are never honest after the draft. I do hate we did not take a tackle in the draft and detest the idea of moving Carey. I guess I wont get anymore hate mail on blasting Alabi since he seems out of tackle picture for sure.
 
If Brady Quinn was a true FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK, then why did he fall to 22? I don't care what team you are, if you feel a player is a "FRANCHISE QB" then, you draft him, regardless of any other need. Even Cleveland passed on him at #3 and had every reason to think like everyone else that he would get drafted no later than #9. Quinn will be average IMO, a Jay Fiedler type. He'll never win a game by himself, but, might be able to play the game not to lose and win a few that way.
 
It's not a matter of trust, its my opinion. Every year I hear the same comment from people that don't agree with someones view of the draft.
When Wanny was coach and Speilman was GM we heard I'm sure they know what they are doing. Maybe they do and maybe they don't its all a calculated risk when drafting. What was good in my grade was I said that Ginn was not a reach and if Quinn was gone would have been onboard but he wasn't and I don't agree with the choice. I am nor enamoured with Beck and I am not alone because other teams chose not to draft him before us, the same thing that has been said with Quinn. That does not make me right, but he has less than ideal size and less than ideal touch on his deep ball. Watch the games and film and tell me differant. Satale gets pushed around watch the film Satale struggled with direct snaps, read the reports. Booker great player just think there were more need olinemen still ob board. Solai might be a great fit I agree. lets not even get on the FB from Hawaii since nobody had him on any radar except us. Please fill me in on all the info you have on him.
Morimo seems slow with little lateral; movement, one reason he went in sixth.
Kelvin Smith is probably slowest LB at combine, but played good in games though. Got a fairly good punter , could not draft the others went too high.
Just basically recalling the points of my initial post but do you have any arguement with my points. As for Ginn I like the pick but love how its ok that he will not be in minicamps but trash others for the same reason.

My main point how is my thread title inaccurate, it is my unbiased and non emotianal review, just mine. i don't have an axe to grind with Mueller or Cam but both have been fired from jobs before so its not like they are just so damn good they cannot make mistakes.

I noted it was your opinion and your welcome to it, I still trust Ran/Cam more than you. You point out the negatives of players we took, we can easily point out the negatives of the players you seem high on (Quinn doesnt have a good deep ball and is not an accurate passer, Edwards has an injury history a mile long etc). Everyone has positives and negatives. Ginn is a gamebreaking WR, Beck is an accurate and poised passer, Satele is a tough and nasty blocker, Booker is a perfect speed change of pace back etc etc.

Its MY opinion that your post is negative, and whether or not you actually do, it DOES seem biased and emotional. OFC they can make mistakes, but with pretty much every pick as you seem to say? Come on ....
 
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