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My unbiast opinion on talent in the east..

KuD said:
I would, sure. If Losman out performs Feeley in preseason i'd consider him the better QB for the time being. But until that happens Losman should be #4 in the AFCE.
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agreed.

We should be 4th even after.

Any unproven players should be ranked fourth until the 4th week of the season.
 
DBoston80 said:
...Ofcourse this is purely Talent as a whole IMO so (ex. N.E #4 rb's although Dillon is likely the 2nd best in the east this was done as a whole....

...Its the importance of these positions, intangables and believe it or not a little luck that seperate a good year and a bad year... another example most people believe a strong OL and DL are the keys...in that case the Jets look good to go deep into the playoffs again....
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Obviously, im not going to bash you because this was just your opinion, but mine is a little different. Overall Buffalo has the most talent in skill positions, but a few weak areas made them a close second. My list goes as so.

QBs : 1 - NE 2 - NYJ - 3 - BUF 4 - MIA
RBs : 1- BUF 2 - NYJ 3 - MIA 4 - NE
(all four off these teams could be ranked #1 at RBs if they were in another division)
WR : 1 - BUF 2 - NE 3 - MIA 4 - NYJ
TE : 1 - MIA 2 - NE 3 - NYJ 4 - BUF
OL : 1 - NE 2 - NYJ 3 - BUF 4 - MIA
DL : 1 - NE 2 - NYJ 3 - MIA 4 - BUF
LB : 1 - BUF 2 - NE 3 - MIA 4 - NYJ
DB : 1 - BUF 2 - NE 3 - MIA 4 - NYJ
(I didnt realize how weak the AFCE's list of DBs have become compared to previous years)
ST : 1 - BUF 2 - NE 3 - MIA 4 - NYJ
COA : 1 - NE 2 - NYJ 3 - MIA 4 - BUF
(You can call it biased, I call it faith and the fact that Mularkey only has one year of HC under his belt. As good as Buffalo ended the season, i still felt they underachieved last year)
OVR : 1 - NE 2 - BUF 3 - MIA 4 - NYJ
 
DBoston80 said:
I'm looking through clear glasses as I make these evaluations....In my humble opinion as a WHOLE..

Quarterbacks

1.) New England
2.) Jets
3.) Buffalo
4.) Miami

Runningbacks

1.) Buffalo
2.) Jets
3.) Miami
4.) New England

Wide Recievers

1.) Miami
2.) Buffalo
3.) New England
4.) Jets

Tight Ends

1.) Miami
2.) New England
3.) Jets
4.) buffalo

OL
1.) Jets
2.) Pats
3.) Miami
4.) buffalo

DL
1.) Jets
2.) New Engalnd
3.) Miami
4.) Buffalo

LB's
1.) New England
2.) Miami
3.) Buffalo
4.) Jets

DB's
1.) Buffalo
2.) Pats
3.) Miami
4.) Jets

ST
1.) New England
2.) Miami
3.) Buffalo
4.) Jets

Coaching
1.) New England
2.) Miami
3.) Jets
4.) Buffalo

The final avg #'s

1.) New England
2.) Miami
3.) Jets
4.) Buffalo


...Ofcourse this is purely Talent as a whole IMO so (ex. N.E #4 rb's although Dillon is likely the 2nd best in the east this was done as a whole....

...Its the importance of these positions, intangables and believe it or not a little luck that seperate a good year and a bad year... another example most people believe a strong OL and DL are the keys...in that case the Jets look good to go deep into the playoffs again....
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you clear glasses started to fog up into a teal and orange glasses by the time you got to OL.

OL - Who cares if we lost Jennings. Who do you have Dmac? Carey? :shakeno:

DL- your DL couldn't stop Ralph Wilson if he was our rb last year.

LB- :rofl3: :rofl3: Puhlease.

ST- Wes is not even better than Clements or McGee. We had the no.1 ST. Yours wasn't even close.

Coaching_ Our coaches are 9-7, what's are you coaches record as a unit? 0-0!!!


I'll give you a C for effort though. :D
 
Justasportsfan said:
you clear glasses started to fog up into a teal and orange glasses by the time you got to OL.

OL - Who cares if we lost Jennings. Who do you have Dmac? Carey? :shakeno:

DL- your DL couldn't stop Ralph Wilson if he was our rb last year.

LB- :rofl3: :rofl3: Puhlease.

ST- Wes is not even better than Clements or McGee. We had the no.1 ST. Yours wasn't even close.

Coaching_ Our coaches are 9-7, what's are you coaches record as a unit? 0-0!!!


I'll give you a C for effort though. :D
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I agree, the LBs were waay off as were the STs. Injuries obviously played a part in last years poor DL play. We've added some talent upfront (Carter, Holliday, Traylor, Roth) so i think that should at least put us at #3.
 
[MadLib]Obviously, im not going to bash you because this was just your opinion, but mine is a little different. Overall Buffalo has the most talent in skill positions, but a few weak areas made them a close second. My list goes as so.

QBs : 1 - NE 2 - NYJ - 3 - BUF 4 - MIA I would put Miami 3rd, experience vs none..
My list: 1. NE....2. NYJ...3. MIA...4.Buf

RBs : 1- BUF 2 - NYJ 3 - MIA 4 - NE
(all four off these teams could be ranked #1 at RBs if they were in another division)
Until he's dethron..talent wise my list goes:
1. NYJ..2. NE..consistency.3.Buf..soph, 4. Rookie, if Ricky comes back..#3

WR : 1 - BUF 2 - NE 3 - MIA 4 - NYJ OK
TE : 1 - MIA 2 - NE 3 - NYJ 4 - BUF OK
OL : 1 - NE 2 - NYJ 3 - BUF 4 - MIA OK
DL : 1 - NE 2 - NYJ 3 - MIA 4 - BUF OK
LB : 1 - BUF 2 - NE 3 - MIA 4 - NYJ OK
DB : 1 - BUF 2 - NE 3 - MIA 4 - NYJ OK
(I didnt realize how weak the AFCE's list of DBs have become compared to previous years)
ST : 1 - BUF 2 - NE 3 - MIA 4 - NYJ OK
COA : 1 - NE 2 - NYJ 3 - MIA 4 - BUF
(You can call it biased, I call it faith and the fact that Mularkey only has one year of HC under his belt. As good as Buffalo ended the season, i still felt they underachieved last year)
Until proven on the field, except for our OC and OL coach..it's
1 NE..2. NYJ..3.BUF...4. MIA

OVR : 1 - NE 2 - BUF 3 - MIA 4 - NYJ
1. NE 2. BUF...3. NYJ 4. MIA
 
MDFINFAN said:
[MadLib]Obviously, im not going to bash you because this was just your opinion, but mine is a little different. Overall Buffalo has the most talent in skill positions, but a few weak areas made them a close second. My list goes as so.

QBs : 1 - NE 2 - NYJ - 3 - BUF 4 - MIA I would put Miami 3rd, experience vs none..
My list: 1. NE....2. NYJ...3. MIA...4.Buf

RBs : 1- BUF 2 - NYJ 3 - MIA 4 - NE
(all four off these teams could be ranked #1 at RBs if they were in another division)
Until he's dethron..talent wise my list goes:
1. NYJ..2. NE..consistency.3.Buf..soph, 4. Rookie, if Ricky comes back..#3

WR : 1 - BUF 2 - NE 3 - MIA 4 - NYJ OK
TE : 1 - MIA 2 - NE 3 - NYJ 4 - BUF OK
OL : 1 - NE 2 - NYJ 3 - BUF 4 - MIA OK
DL : 1 - NE 2 - NYJ 3 - MIA 4 - BUF OK
LB : 1 - BUF 2 - NE 3 - MIA 4 - NYJ OK
DB : 1 - BUF 2 - NE 3 - MIA 4 - NYJ OK
(I didnt realize how weak the AFCE's list of DBs have become compared to previous years)
ST : 1 - BUF 2 - NE 3 - MIA 4 - NYJ OK
COA : 1 - NE 2 - NYJ 3 - MIA 4 - BUF
(You can call it biased, I call it faith and the fact that Mularkey only has one year of HC under his belt. As good as Buffalo ended the season, i still felt they underachieved last year)
Until proven on the field, except for our OC and OL coach..it's
1 NE..2. NYJ..3.BUF...4. MIA

OVR : 1 - NE 2 - BUF 3 - MIA 4 - NYJ
1. NE 2. BUF...3. NYJ 4. MIA
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Excellent. Best one yet.
 
MDFINFAN said:
[MadLib]Obviously, im not going to bash you because this was just your opinion, but mine is a little different. Overall Buffalo has the most talent in skill positions, but a few weak areas made them a close second. My list goes as so.

QBs : 1 - NE 2 - NYJ - 3 - BUF 4 - MIA I would put Miami 3rd, experience vs none..
My list: 1. NE....2. NYJ...3. MIA...4.Buf

RBs : 1- BUF 2 - NYJ 3 - MIA 4 - NE
(all four off these teams could be ranked #1 at RBs if they were in another division)
Until he's dethron..talent wise my list goes:
1. NYJ..2. NE..consistency.3.Buf..soph, 4. Rookie, if Ricky comes back..#3

WR : 1 - BUF 2 - NE 3 - MIA 4 - NYJ OK
TE : 1 - MIA 2 - NE 3 - NYJ 4 - BUF OK
OL : 1 - NE 2 - NYJ 3 - BUF 4 - MIA OK
DL : 1 - NE 2 - NYJ 3 - MIA 4 - BUF OK
LB : 1 - BUF 2 - NE 3 - MIA 4 - NYJ OK
DB : 1 - BUF 2 - NE 3 - MIA 4 - NYJ OK
(I didnt realize how weak the AFCE's list of DBs have become compared to previous years)
ST : 1 - BUF 2 - NE 3 - MIA 4 - NYJ OK
COA : 1 - NE 2 - NYJ 3 - MIA 4 - BUF
(You can call it biased, I call it faith and the fact that Mularkey only has one year of HC under his belt. As good as Buffalo ended the season, i still felt they underachieved last year)
Until proven on the field, except for our OC and OL coach..it's
1 NE..2. NYJ..3.BUF...4. MIA

OVR : 1 - NE 2 - BUF 3 - MIA 4 - NYJ
1. NE 2. BUF...3. NYJ 4. MIA
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Fair enough. Like I said, the RBs could have gone in any order IMO. But as far as this whole list thing goes, it seems most are solely basing this list off last years performance and not using their personal evaluation on who they think will perform the best in the '05 season. But regardless, your list seems pretty accurate.
 
touborg said:
Don't agree with this one. I'd say:

New England
Miami
Buffalo
NY
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Most will make the case of Curtis Martin leading the league in rushing last year. Which is hard to argue with, but like I said before its pretty hard to make this RB list considering the incredible amount of talent at this position/in this division. My list was based off who i thought would perform the best in this upcoming season.
 
MadLib said:
Fair enough. Like I said, the RBs could have gone in any order IMO. But as far as this whole list thing goes, it seems most are solely basing this list off last years performance and not using their personal evaluation on who they think will perform the best in the '05 season. But regardless, your list seems pretty accurate.
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I agree, we are somewhat basing it off last year's performance..but I've also been on other sites in our division and see what those guys are up to also.
A lot of our talent may or may not be legit. Our rookies defintely can't be counted as talented until proven in the NFL..if we based it on college..they're all #1. I can say AJ has a little more experence than JP, so I felt comfortable putting him 3rd, knowing he's a little ahead, plus has some talent himself. With the rest of it, I think we have potential..but that's not talent displayed, that's talent on paper. Our team, if they really over achieve, has the potential talent to win the division..it's that close for all teams in this division talent wise. Now..the coaching, the fact teams have a head start on us in terms of running their schemes O and D wise, kind of put us behind, even with our potential talent. If our potential talent picks up things fast and execute well, we should be in every game...then we'll see how much talent and heart we really do have. BARRING INJURIES.
 
Losman7 said:
Preseason counts for me...

If Losman has a solid training camp and plays well in preseason i'd give him the nod over Feeley. Wouldn't you?
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Not if Feeley also has a solid camp.
 
I can't get over the fact that our special teams in not 1st. What more do phin fans want our returner went to the probowl. We scored a league high on TDs. Are punter is one of the best if not the best in the league, he just doesnt get much recognition because his net numbers are down because of kicking in Buffalo. If someone here says Moorman is not good... Our coverage team was awesome and although Lindell is nothing great out of 40+ yards but he did make 24/28 attempts. Thats is NOT terrible in anyones book.

Saying your Lbs are better come on man, and your o-line! Are you kidding me, your was the worst in the league last year, the only question mark we have is LT.

touborg said:
Don't agree with this one. I'd say:

New England
Miami
Buffalo
NY
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How can you say that. Martin led the LEAGUE in rushing last year, Corey Dillon was Corey Dillon, and Willis came and turned our team around in 11 games.

Ronnie Brown has done what? Ricky has to prove something to people before you can consider him a top level back, that should be even more true for Miami fans.
 
ill just write what i disagreed with and show how it should be.

WR: Buffalo > Fins

OL: Buffalo > Fins

DL: Buffalo > Fins

LBs: Buffalo > Fins > Pats > Jets
the pats 2 best LBs are injured and my not play at the level they did before, if they play at all.

Coaching: Pats > Jets > Buffalo > Fins
lets wait till saban's 1st game before placing him above other NFL coaches...
 
MadLib said:
Obviously, im not going to bash you because this was just your opinion, but mine is a little different. Overall Buffalo has the most talent in skill positions, but a few weak areas made them a close second. My list goes as so.

QBs : 1 - NE 2 - NYJ - 3 - BUF 4 - MIA
RBs : 1- BUF 2 - NYJ 3 - MIA 4 - NE
(all four off these teams could be ranked #1 at RBs if they were in another division)
WR : 1 - BUF 2 - NE 3 - MIA 4 - NYJ
TE : 1 - MIA 2 - NE 3 - NYJ 4 - BUF
OL : 1 - NE 2 - NYJ 3 - BUF 4 - MIA
DL : 1 - NE 2 - NYJ 3 - MIA 4 - BUF
LB : 1 - BUF 2 - NE 3 - MIA 4 - NYJ
DB : 1 - BUF 2 - NE 3 - MIA 4 - NYJ
(I didnt realize how weak the AFCE's list of DBs have become compared to previous years)
ST : 1 - BUF 2 - NE 3 - MIA 4 - NYJ
COA : 1 - NE 2 - NYJ 3 - MIA 4 - BUF
(You can call it biased, I call it faith and the fact that Mularkey only has one year of HC under his belt. As good as Buffalo ended the season, i still felt they underachieved last year)
OVR : 1 - NE 2 - BUF 3 - MIA 4 - NYJ
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Actually, this is not that bad, but in QB, Miami goes higher then the Bills, even Losman7 agrees, and expects it.
 
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