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My unbiast opinion on talent in the east..

baalworship said:
From Bills Digest:

Electrifying. That's the one word University of Miami receivers coach Curtis Johnson chose to use as his word description of Roscoe Parrish. His head coach called Larry Coker called him "the most exciting player I've ever coached."....

And though (Santana) Moss had more impressive stats coming out of Miami, Johnson believes Parrish is the more gifted player.

"He's a little bit shiftier than Santana and has a little more explosion," said Johnson. "He's more of a natural catcher than Santana too. I think (the Bills) got a big time bargain when they got Roscoe."


And Parrish has backed up the talk with his walk in all the Bills minicamps so far. He has been the obvious rookie star and most Bills observers have already pencilled him in to #3...

Just because a guy is really fast doesn't mean anything, he doesn't have size, he will probabaly be a pretty good no.3 for Buffalo, but "Rocket" Ismail wasn't anything special, James McKnight wasn't much, I don't know if Quadry Ismail was a speedster also, but there are other receivers that were really fast. I'm not saying that he will be bad or anything, I think he will be good. I'm just saying that just because a guy has blazing speed doesn't mean that he will be good.
 
Ed (Bills) said:
True, but everyone looks good with the pads off not just smaller players.

Feeley didnt in minicamp. :lol: Sorry I HAD to go there.
 
cltchperf said:
Just because a guy is really fast doesn't mean anything, he doesn't have size, he will probabaly be a pretty good no.3 for Buffalo, but "Rocket" Ismail wasn't anything special, James McKnight wasn't much, I don't know if Quadry Ismail was a speedster also, but there are other receivers that were really fast. I'm not saying that he will be bad or anything, I think he will be good. I'm just saying that just blazing speed doesn't mean a guy is going to be really good

I agree. Speed is only one aspect of a WR's game. That's why when you throw in elusiveness, explosion, hands, and the ability to score every time you touch the ball along with the speed you have a good chance at creating another mismatch for opposing D's.

The reason why I posted all this is not to say Parrish is going to get 1000 yds and 10 TD's. He won't. But he is a very talented, NFL ready player that should do quite well as a #3. Also, a dolphin fan tried to say he wasn't as good as Moss so I showed that his position coach said otherwise. If the Bills get even Santana Moss's = at the #3 WR position I will be thrilled.
 
cltchperf said:
Just because a guy is really fast doesn't mean anything, he doesn't have size, he will probabaly be a pretty good no.3 for Buffalo, but "Rocket" Ismail wasn't anything special, James McKnight wasn't much, I don't know if Quadry Ismail was a speedster also, but there are other receivers that were really fast. I'm not saying that he will be bad or anything, I think he will be good. I'm just saying that just because a guy has blazing speed doesn't mean that he will be good.

Tell this stuff to dolphin fans also. Anything done before you play a game, doesnt mean anything.

As many positive things you say about a Rookie or a 1st time head coach you can say just about as many negative things.

Thats why I hate predicting if a guy will be good or bad when they havnt even given us something to judge him by.

Its all hope. I hope Roscoe is great. Fins hope their new guys are great, but no one knows.
 
My opinions

Quarterbacks

1.) New England
2.) Jets
3.) Miami
4.) Buffalo

Can Chad Pennington stay healthy and return to form? Buffalo is starting a rookie at QB, which warrants the last spot in my opinion, Miami isn't too far ahead either.

Runningbacks

1.) Jets
2.) New England
3.) Buffalo
4.) Miami

You can't argue with a leading rusher. #2 and #3 don't have much of a gap between them, as Corey Dillon has been stellar. McGahee played outstanding this year but I want to see him start a season before I move him and the Bills up the list. The Dolphins are dealing with a rookie tailback that split time at Auburn and possibly Ricky Williams, who probably isn't anywhere near to game shape at this point.

Wide Recievers

1.) Miami
2.) Buffalo
3.) New England
4.) Jets

Chambers, Marty Booker, and the possibility of a much improved Derrius Thompson and contributions from David Boston. This lineup is pretty good. Buffalo sits in 2nd because of Lee Evans and Eric Moulds, but Moulds is on his way down. New England can put anyone at the WR position and have them succeed, but a product of the system as always. The Jets have McCareins, Laverneus Coles, and Wayne Chrebet. The gap amongst these four teams is small.

Tight Ends

1.) New England
2.) Miami
3.) Jets
4.) buffalo

Who can argue with the effectiveness of the duo of Daniel Graham and Christian Fauria. Throw in a healthy Ben Watson and you have the deep TE spot. Randy McMichael is probably the most talented TE in the AFC East, but until he can catch passes consistently, he doesn't deserve to have his team at #1. The Jets have added Doug Jolley, who can make a few good plays per game at the TE spot which puts them at #3.

OL

1.) Patriots
2.) Jets
3.) Buffalo
4.) Miami

Patriots are not too shabby when they pick what they felt would be the best lineman for their system in Logan Mankins. They still have Ashworth, Light, and Neal coming back. They didn't seem to miss a step after they let go of Damien Woody last year. Kevin Mawae always seems to field a great O-line for the Jets year in and year out.

DL
1.) New England
2.) Miami
3.) NYJ
4.) Buffalo

Even though the Patriots let go to Keith Traylor, they have a young Vince Wilfork who will probably be a stellar DT for years to come. Miami takes in Traylor, who will be great on 1st and 2nd downs. He will join the likes of Jason Taylor. David Bowens played well last year in the opposite DE spot and he will be trying to keep his spot from Matt Roth, who has a ton of upside. The dolphins arent too far ahead of Abraham and the Jets, and Sam Adams and the bills.

LB's
1.) New England
2.) Miami
3.) Buffalo
4.) Jets

This one is a no brainer. No one can seem to stop the LBs of the Patriots. Even without Bruschi I don't expect the pats to miss a beat on this. The Dolphins and Bills both have great LBing corps, with Seau and Thomas leading the way for Miami and Takeo Spikes and London Fletcher for the Bills. It's almost a toss-up there. Look for Jonathan Vilma to make even more noise on the JEts this year as he improves that LBing corp coming off his rookie year.

DB's
1.) Buffalo
2.) Pats
3.) Miami
4.) Jets

Clements, Milloy, and McGee lead the way for the Bills, and the Patriots now will probably start former Golden Knight Asante Samuel at a CBthis year. Rodney Harrison will anchor the secondary. The Dolphins have Sam Madison and after that, there's not much else. They are really hurting at the safety position.

ST
1.) New England
2.) Miami
3.) Buffalo
4.) Jets

New England has Adam Vinatieri, who is the best kicker in the league (I'm including clutch situations). They bolstered their special teams with the addition of Chad Morton. Miami has a good kicker and a great punter, and Wes Welker got better after every game. The Jets got Mike Nugent, who is an outstanding kicker out of Ohio State. (as a side note, Xavier Beittia is also on the team right now out of FSU...that's pretty funny). IT's almost a toss-up between buffalo and the jets

Coaching
1.) New England
2.) Jets
3.) Buffalo
4.) Miami

Let's face it, Miami has a rookie former college coach. I don't care what his accolades are, college coaches have struggled in recent times. Look for coaching to play a key in New England not having as good of a year as they did last year with the loss of Weis and Crennel, but Belichick still puts them ahead of anyone else in the league. Mike Mularkey coached Buffalo to a 9-7 year and the team caught on fire late, let's see how he does with JP Losman at the helm.

The final avg #'s

1.) New England
2.) Buffalo
3.) New York Jets
4.) Miami

(not much difference between the Jets and the Dolphins, the worst team in the division will probably be no worse then 6-10 or 7-9.)
 
TerryTate said:
My opinions
ST
1.) New England
2.) Miami
3.) Buffalo
4.) Jets

How can you say Miami's special teams is better than the Bills? We led the league in touchdowns our kick returner went to the probowl, we have the best punter in the league, our kicking coverage is great, and lindell though not spectacular went 24/28 on fgs last season.

That with the fact, we had the #1 overall special teams IN THE LEAGUE, I dont see how you can put New England let alone Miami ahead of Bills special teams.
 
BillsCA said:
How can you say Miami's special teams is better than the Bills? We led the league in touchdowns our kick returner went to the probowl, we have the best punter in the league, our kicking coverage is great, and lindell though not spectacular went 24/28 on fgs last season.

That with the fact, we had the #1 overall special teams IN THE LEAGUE, I dont see how you can put New England let alone Miami ahead of Bills special teams.

Are you saying you wouldn't trade in your special teams accolades for someone as automatic as Adam Vinatieri? Especially since you guys have a great chance to get to the playoffs this year if Losman pans out.
Chad Morton is a DANGEROUS kick returner that they just signed as well.

Matt Turk has been outstanding for us this past year and Wes Welker was solid. You guys have Steve Baker as your punter. Lindell only made one attempt out of 4 from the 40-49 range. He didn't attempt any beyond 50. He doesn't have the leg or accuracy. Olindo Mare only had 16 FG attempts this year because the offense was horrible and he was hurt, and even though he nailed 12 of 16, he still has the deep leg. He nailed 5 of 7 from beyond 40 (3/4 from 40-49 and 2/3 from beyond 50)

However, if Roscoe Parrish makes an impact on special teams for you, expect even better special teams performance out of your kick return game this year.
 
baalworship said:
I agree. Speed is only one aspect of a WR's game. That's why when you throw in elusiveness, explosion, hands, and the ability to score every time you touch the ball along with the speed you have a good chance at creating another mismatch for opposing D's.

The reason why I posted all this is not to say Parrish is going to get 1000 yds and 10 TD's. He won't. But he is a very talented, NFL ready player that should do quite well as a #3. Also, a dolphin fan tried to say he wasn't as good as Moss so I showed that his position coach said otherwise. If the Bills get even Santana Moss's = at the #3 WR position I will be thrilled.



Sorry to bust your bubble, but I'm a canes fan and Rosco was the least used WR the Canes had, whenever possible Hester would return kicks because he is a far more explosive and talented KR then Parrish. Parrish is small and unless he's an extraordinary talent ( I've watched him play...he's not!!) then he won't last in the NFL. But you'll find that out. Good college WR at best.
 
TerryTate said:
You guys have Steve Baker as your punter...


Um, no. They did sign a K/punter for an extra camp body. Brian Moorman is the Bills punter and he is amazing! I have seen the guy make kicks into ridiculous, whipping winds at the Ralph that were not even human.

:D
 
feelthepain said:
Sorry to bust your bubble, but I'm a canes fan and Rosco was the least used WR the Canes had


Sorry to bust your bubble but I'll take the opinion of Miami's Larry Coker, his position coach at Miami, the Bills scouting staff (including Tom Donahoe AND Tom Modrak) over the opinion of one canes fan.

BTW, many Canes fans told us what a terrible player we were getting in Willis McGahee....

:lol:

Hope you guys are "right" again...
 
TerryTate said:
Are you saying you wouldn't trade in your special teams accolades for someone as automatic as Adam Vinatieri? Especially since you guys have a great chance to get to the playoffs this year if Losman pans out.
Chad Morton is a DANGEROUS kick returner that they just signed as well.

Matt Turk has been outstanding for us this past year and Wes Welker was solid. You guys have Steve Baker as your punter. Lindell only made one attempt out of 4 from the 40-49 range. He didn't attempt any beyond 50. He doesn't have the leg or accuracy. Olindo Mare only had 16 FG attempts this year because the offense was horrible and he was hurt, and even though he nailed 12 of 16, he still has the deep leg. He nailed 5 of 7 from beyond 40 (3/4 from 40-49 and 2/3 from beyond 50)

However, if Roscoe Parrish makes an impact on special teams for you, expect even better special teams performance out of your kick return game this year.
Umm our punter is Brian Moorman. By not knowing who is punting for the bills you obviously can't know how good he is. Brian kicked an 80 yard punt, ran 40 yards on a botched punt, and threw for a first down last year. We actually have an athlete playing punter.

I'll take our DANGEROUS returner over Chad Morton. I guess the bills have a great enough ST's to be the best in the league last year, but it seems like that only equates to third in the AFCE? Doesn't make too much sense. :cry:
 
Wagon Circler said:
Umm our punter is Brian Moorman. By not knowing who is punting for the bills you obviously can't know how good he is. Brian kicked an 80 yard punt, ran 40 yards on a botched punt, and threw for a first down last year. We actually have an athlete playing punter.

I'll take our DANGEROUS returner over Chad Morton. I guess the bills have a great enough ST's to be the best in the league last year, but it seems like that only equates to third in the AFCE? Doesn't make too much sense. :cry:

You're right, I was looking at the roster to refresh my memory and overlooked Moorman. Matt Turk has run for first downs on botched punts before. The guy (moorman) is a punter, if he was a real athlete he wouldn't be playing punter.

This is a new year, you only can look at the year before's stats so much. I think that Roscoe Parrish will take over punt return duties and Chad Morton is now fielding kicks and punts in New England. You have to account for that.

I'm guessing that since some of you guys only have gripes with my special teams picks that I didn't do too bad in your opinion otherwise ;)
 
DBoston80 said:
I'm looking through clear glasses as I make these evaluations....In my humble opinion as a WHOLE..

Quarterbacks

1.) New England
2.) Jets
3.) Buffalo
4.) Miami

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Great job not being biased..lol Buffalo has a better line and special teams. Both buffalo and Jets have better LB's. And how you have a rookie coach above Edwards beats me.
 
NLude33 said:
I think Miami is for sure #1 in RB's. Buffalo and Miami actually could be tied with Henrey/McGahee and Williams/Brown.....but Miami also has Lamar Gordon!

Right. And you have to think that Curtis Martin will somehow slow down a bit. Look at the age and miles on him. I know he won the title last year and I think he's great, but how long can a guy perform at that level, even if he does take care of himself?
 
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