My unbiast opinion on talent in the east..

[OrangeCrush]

Right. And you have to think that Curtis Martin will somehow slow down a bit. Look at the age and miles on him. I know he won the title last year and I think he's great, but how long can a guy perform at that level, even if he does take care of himself?

Good point, except everybody has been saying that the last 4 years, and he only shows the opposite every year.

 

[BillsCA]

Are you saying you wouldn't trade in your special teams accolades for someone as automatic as Adam Vinatieri? Especially since you guys have a great chance to get to the playoffs this year if Losman pans out.
Chad Morton is a DANGEROUS kick returner that they just signed as well.

What did Chad Morton do last year in terms of returning kicks. Absolutely nothing.He had no tds last year and 1, thats right 1 kick return over 40 yards. Terrence McGee only went to the probowl as a returner but your right Wes Welker is better.

Moorman is the best punter in the division by FAR so saying anything otherwise is wrong. You have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to bills special teams or special teams in general if you think Steve Baker is our punter.

 

[wazzy]

as far as overall talent in the AFC East I say that all of the Teams are very talented, it's a tough call but I would rank them like this:

1. Buffalo - very talented defense and other then QB offense is well proven
2. NE - defense talented, extremely well coached, and a good balanced offense
3. Miami - very talented defense, unproven DBs, well talented WRs, unproven RBs, and a QB question
4. NYJ - defense is getting better, old RB, injury plagued QB, lack of depth at WR, and a good o-line

Nick I agree with you but I think NE is better then Buffalo

 

[TerryTate]

What did Chad Morton do last year in terms of returning kicks. Absolutely nothing.He had no tds last year and 1, thats right 1 kick return over 40 yards. Terrence McGee only went to the probowl as a returner but your right Wes Walker is better.

Moorman is the best punter in the division by FAR so saying anything otherwise is wrong. You have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to bills special teams or special teams in general if you think Steve Baker is our punter.

Who said Wes Welker was better? I didn't...I said he was solid. I also think that Buffalo uses Roscoe Parrish for some punt returns, which will take away from the stats of McGee.

Matt Turk has a higher Net Average (37.2 to 36.8) and Moorman is only about 2 yards ahead in gross punting yardage then turk and Turk has more punts inside the 20 (29 to 17) then Moorman, so where do you keep getting that he is the better punter? Lechler, Saurbraun and others are ahead of him in the gross statistical category.

 

[Ozzy]

I'm looking through clear glasses as I make these evaluations....In my humble opinion as a WHOLE..


Runningbacks

1.) Buffalo
2.) Jets
3.) Miami
4.) New England

OL
1.) Jets
2.) Pats
3.) Miami
4.) buffalo

DL
1.) Jets
2.) New Engalnd
3.) Miami
4.) Buffalo

LB's
1.) New England
2.) Miami
3.) Buffalo
4.) Jets

Coaching
1.) New England
2.) Miami
3.) Jets
4.) Buffalo

The final avg #'s

1.) New England
2.) Miami
3.) Jets
4.) Buffalo

Runningbacks

1.) Buffalo
2.) Jets
3.) New England
4.) Miami
The AFC East teams all have very good Rb's except Miami's ran away last year, and they will most likely have a very talented, yet raw, Rookie starting the season. One thru three is very close, and I would not argue if the Jets were even slightly ahead of Billy. Martin is what he is, and until his age shows, to me, he is the best of the bunch but losing Jordan hurts a little.
OL
1.) Jets
2.) Pats
3.) buffalo
4.) Miami
No need to give Miami's group any OL props, not based on what happened last year. Sure they have a new coach, but at the same time they are learning a new scheme.

DL
1.) Jets
2.) Miami
3.) New Engalnd
4.) Buffalo

Billy, and NE rely a lot on their Lb's. They have solids groups on the DL, but the Jets were clearly the best, and it looks like Miami's DL will once again be very good.

LB's
1.) Buffalo
2.) Miami
3.) New England
4.) Jets
I give the nod to Billy at Lb, above all the rest, but I dropped NE down because they might be missing the key link to their group due to heart problems.

Coaching
1.) New England
2.) Buffalo
3.) Miami
4.) Jets

NE hands down, and three rings later. Billy gets props for their turn around last year. The Jets to me would have better results, with a better Coach. They have lots of talent, especially on the offensive side of the ball. Herman is a good motivator, but he is a terrible game day coach, and he needs to learn how to tell time.

Hey, I hate Buffallos as much as the next Dolfan, but I think you had just a little bit of trouble giving them props with your unbiased opinions. :D

 

[BillsCA]

Who said Wes Welker was better? I didn't...I said he was solid. I also think that Buffalo uses Roscoe Parrish for some punt returns, which will take away from the stats of McGee.

Matt Turk has a higher Net Average (37.2 to 36.8) and Moorman is only about 2 yards ahead in gross punting yardage then turk and Turk has more punts inside the 20 (29 to 17) then Moorman, so where do you keep getting that he is the better punter? Lechler, Saurbraun and others are ahead of him in the gross statistical category.

Again you know nothing about Bills special teams. McGee returned kickoffs not punts that was Nate Clements. So no it will not take away stats from McGee. Moorman punts in Buffalo where half the year has heavy winds and terrible weather if you can't notice the fact that he has been snubbed by the probowl for 3 years now because his net average is not up to par as some of the fair weathered kickers. Many people in the national people have said this so its not just the Bill homer in me talking. If you read my response I said he was the best kicker in the DIVISION. I thought the whole point of this thread was rankings in the AFC East, last time I checked Lechler wasnt in the AFC East, please correct me if im wrong though.

The only reason I said that McGee was better than Welker although you never said it, you obviously must have some reason for ranking Miami's special teams higher the Bills #1 ranked one in the NFL.

I agree with your other rankings for the most part but this was so far off I had to say something. Your grasping at straws here dude. Stop.

 

[TerryTate]

Again you know nothing about Bills special teams. McGee returned kickoffs not punts that was Nate Clements. So no it will not take away stats from McGee. Moorman punts in Buffalo where half the year has heavy winds and terrible weather if you can't notice the fact that he has been snubbed by the probowl for 3 years now because his net average is not up to par as some of the fair weathered kickers. Many people in the national people have said this so its not just the Bill homer in me talking. If you read my response I said he was the best kicker in the DIVISION. I thought the whole point of this thread was rankings in the AFC East, last time I checked Lechler wasnt in the AFC East, please correct me if im wrong though.

The only reason I said that McGee was better than Welker although you never said it, you obviously must have some reason for ranking Miami's special teams higher the Bills #1 ranked one in the NFL.

I agree with your other rankings for the most part but this was so far off I had to say something. Your grasping at straws here dude. Stop.

I'm grasping at straws because I brought out stats on the two punters and how they are nearly identical for the most part? Please tell me why Moorman is better....

 

[BillsCA]

I'm grasping at straws because I brought out stats on the two punters and how they are nearly identical for the most part? Please tell me why Moorman is better....

Moorman punts in Buffalo where half the year has heavy winds and terrible weather if you can't notice the fact that he has been snubbed by the probowl for 3 years now because his net average is not up to par as some of the fair weathered kickers. Many people in the national people have said this so its not just the Bill homer in me talking.

Reading comprehension seems to be a lost art...

Either way we have an overall better special teams than New England and Miami. I cant believe you are arguing that the #1 ST in the NFL is 3rd best in their division.

 

[Ozzy]

The Bills had the best special teams in the league last year. Our LB's are better than the jets and miami, thats a fact.


Our O-Line was better than you last year, we lost Jonas jennings. But until you prove anything you're still the worst.

To put your team at #2 in coaching is what really showed me that this list was BS. How can you put a rookie head coach higher than 3 coaches who had winning seasons last year? homer.

When you said Billy was number one in ST's last year was that based on your opinion, or was it from a STATS site? I know that Miami is always rated near the top so I checked NFL.com. They don't have an all around ST's catagory, but when I looked up all the individual ones, Miami was ranked ahead of Billy in all but one. I included the defensive stats as well.

 

[DuderinoN703]

Wow, every non-Dolphin fan disagrees. New things appear in the world all the time huh? Same old story :shakeno:

 

[BillsCA]

Your right it is not on NFL.com for total special teams. You cant compare much on stats besides punting and kickoff returns because after that more than one person did certain things, like the bills punt returners. There was more than 1. 3 guys actually did good in returning and two different guys scored TD's so individual numbers arent great.

I have seen the #1 ranking in numerous magazines but this was the quickest thing I found with a quick search.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamst.php

 

[Ozzy]

Your right it is not on NFL.com for total special teams. You cant compare much on stats besides punting and kickoff returns because after that more than one person did certain things, like the bills punt returners. There was more than 1. 3 guys actually did good in returning and two different guys scored TD's so individual numbers arent great.

I have seen the #1 ranking in numerous magazines but this was the quickest thing I found with a quick search.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamst.php

I don't know. They have NO's ahead of Miami, when Miami is also ahead of them in all but one of the team stats on NFL.com. Remember that Miami also had more than Welker on both return teams. They had Brightful, who was excellent returning on both teams but could not hold onto it. He had a great average on both punts and kick returns.

Buffalo was good, not doubt, but I'm not so sure, or should I say, clearly convinced that they were number one. At least it is debatable IMO. So for Miami fans to rank them ahead is not pure homerism. The offensive line though, now that's another story.

 

[BillsCA]

I don't know. They have NO's ahead of Miami, when Miami is also ahead of them in all but one of the team stats on NFL.com. Remember that Miami also had more than Welker on both return teams. They had Brightful, who was excellent returning on both teams but could not hold onto it. He had a great average on both punts and kick returns.

Buffalo was good, not doubt, but I'm not so sure, or should I say, clearly convinced that they were number one. At least it is debatable IMO. So for Miami fans to rank them ahead is not pure homerism. The offensive line though, now that's another story.

Both teams were good in special teams I'll give you that but in overall ST I am sure we finished #1 but have yet to find a real credible link.

When looking at stats I think the most important is touchdowns when it comes to special teams. The Bills Special Teams created 6 touchdowns while Miami Special teams only had 1.

 

[Ozzy]

Both teams were good in special teams I'll give you that but in overall ST I am sure we finished #1 but have yet to find a real credible link.

When looking at stats I think the most important is touchdowns when it comes to special teams. The Bills Special Teams created 6 touchdowns while Miami Special teams only had 1.

I'm sure touchdowns are part of it but when your talking overall, it can't be anymore important that touchdowns allowed, or averages, ect. ect. The fact that the Bills had more means they average higher in one catagory of ST's.

I know that for over half the year Miami was number one in ST's defense. That's whats kept them in the top echilon for the last ten years.

It's all good though, my whole point was that it would not be homerism for a Miami fan to rank Miami over anyone in the ST's department.

 

[AquaAssasin]

The Bills had the best special teams in the league last year. Our LB's are better than the jets and miami, thats a fact.


Our O-Line was better than you last year, we lost Jonas jennings. But until you prove anything you're still the worst.

To put your team at #2 in coaching is what really showed me that this list was BS. How can you put a rookie head coach higher than 3 coaches who had winning seasons last year? homer.

cuz your coach cant get anything right...let alone make it to the playoffs.